OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Doritos Bowl Match Up - Taylor Swift vs San Andreas Fault

[Peat]

I guess Graham Barton who is an OT for Duke, teams are talking about moving him to C and he has played C in the past. It will be really interesting to see where he plays at the combine.

Was meant to play it at the Senior Bowl but was injured.

 

[Pens1566]

Seeing more smoke about us loving Roman Wilson as well.

 

[Peat]

Seeing more smoke about us loving Roman Wilson as well.

I dunno he's a Smith WR. 6 foot is small for one of his guys, even if the dude is meant to have long arms, and so is 186lbs. First profile says he's not much of a blocker either.

Still, guys who can make contested catches and get deep so seem to be his jam.

 

[The Old Master]

Seeing more smoke about us loving Roman Wilson as well.

from what i see on who should be in the area where we pick, i would be happy with any of them.

 

[xlm34]

My way too early wish list would be:

Round 1: Tyler Guyton
Round 2: Frazier
Round 3: Mike Sainristil

Feels like both Guyton and Frazier could be risers in the process though. And free agency will inevitably throw things all out of whack.

 

[Pens1566]

I dunno he's a Smith WR. 6 foot is small for one of his guys, even if the dude is meant to have long arms, and so is 186lbs. First profile says he's not much of a blocker either.

Still, guys who can make contested catches and get deep so seem to be his jam.

For a ~3rd rounder, I think the ridiculous athleticism is the draw.

 

[pistolpete11]

Plus, as has been pointed out many times, Kenny bails too quickly. While the hope is he would make some plays with a bit more patience, not escaping the pocket is going to lead to sacks as well. It's not a major contributor to raw sack numbers, but it's an issue with play - both KP and the line - that does contribute.

Yeah, I was including that in the Tomlin's MO part because I think Pickett has had it beat into his head that...above all else...do not turn the ball over and do not take sacks.

But I suppose it could just be a Pickett problem.

 

[Peat]

For a ~3rd rounder, I think the ridiculous athleticism is the draw.

Oh don't get me wrong, he sounds sick as a 3rd rounder. Honestly, based on the first profile I read, I dunno he's lasting that long.

But at the same time, I'd like to believe Smith will have an influence, that they'll be drawing up things according to what he does at least some... and judging from who he's had around him, who he's thrown to, he does seem to be a type.

 

[JTG]

Seeing more smoke about us loving Roman Wilson as well.

If his size projections are legit, he's going to be one of the biggest C's in the league. It will be interesting to see what kind of leverage he can keep as a C. He could throw a wrench in this whole thing.

I'm a fan of JPJ and Frazier. I typically find that ex-wrestlers make really good centers (Creed Humphrey, Tyler Linderbaum as two recent examples) and Frazier was an outstanding one.

 

[xlm34]

Oh don't get me wrong, he sounds sick as a 3rd rounder. Honestly, based on the first profile I read, I dunno he's lasting that long.

But at the same time, I'd like to believe Smith will have an influence, that they'll be drawing up things according to what he does at least some... and judging from who he's had around him, who he's thrown to, he does seem to be a type.

WR also feels like less of a need than it did prior to the OC hire.

I suppose they could still be looking for the eventual DJ replacement but given that Smith doesn’t use 3 WR sets a ton, I’d be fine pushing that another year and going with Austin+cheap FA signing.

 

[JTG]

Seeing more smoke about us loving Roman Wilson as well.

He's making himself SO MUCH money right now. He looks great too. I'll be watching him through this process now.

 

[Peat]

Yeah, I was including that in the Tomlin's MO part because I think Pickett has had it beat into his head that...above all else...do not turn the ball over and do not take sacks.

But I suppose it could just be a Pickett problem.

Pickett having happy feet was on the scouting report.

But at the same time, we don't know what the Steelers are trying to change or not to change. I do think if we're suspect Tomlin suspicion though, we'd be suspecting him to just throw the ball out more though, right? Trying to escape and extend the play carries the risk of making it worse.

WR also feels like less of a need than it did prior to the OC hire.

I suppose they could still be looking for the eventual DJ replacement but given that Smith doesn’t use 3 WR sets a ton, I’d be fine pushing that another year and going with Austin+cheap FA signing.

True to a point.

But they're still kind of screwed if there is an injury. And if I'm casting doubt on Roman being too small to be a Smith player, then Austin is definitely not going to see a bunch of usage unless he has one hell of a training camp.

Throw in the likelihood you're drafting DJ's replacement a year early and it makes a ton of sense. The only thing against it is all the other needs but we dunno how many of them will be done in FA.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I guess Graham Barton who is an OT for Duke, teams are talking about moving him to C and he has played C in the past. It will be really interesting to see where he plays at the combine.

My issue with Barton is that he hasn't played C in college since his freshman year, and he only played 5 games. Because Duke doesn't have a ton of athletes, they played their best OL at LT. So he has played Center but not really. I'm very weary of spending a first round pick on a guy that will be switching positions. I'd rather they take J P-J or Frazier.

A Fairmont, WV kid snapping the ball in Pittsburgh? For the story line alone they are going to draft him. I will all but guarantee he is our 2nd round pick. Right now he has a late 2nd/early 3rd round grade. Obviously a lot of evaluation and movement in the boards to go. I will be very shocked if he isn't a Steeler and I'll be happy about it. His combine will be huge for him. If he has like 33 inch arms and he runs around a 5.00 40 and shows to be highly athletic...he may go 1st round. His tape should be good enough because the games I saw him play in he was pretty dominant.

He was measured at the Senior Bowl and has 32 3/8" arms. But his hands are massive. I think arm length and wingspan is a bigger issue for OT. Center is more about leverage and mentality, thus wingspan isn't a big issue for me. To expound on what JTG mentioned, Frazier is a 4 time wrestling champion in WV.

If the Steelers can get him in the 2nd, that would be awesome. I think he can step right in an start Game 1 and be a huge improvement over Cole.

If his size projections are legit, he's going to be one of the biggest C's in the league. It will be interesting to see what kind of leverage he can keep as a C. He could throw a wrench in this whole thing.

I'm a fan of JPJ and Frazier. I typically find that ex-wrestlers make really good centers (Creed Humphrey, Tyler Linderbaum as two recent examples) and Frazier was an outstanding one.

Are you talking about Limmer?...... Cause Roman Wilson is not a Center.

 

[JTG]

My issue with Barton is that he hasn't played C in college since his freshman year, and he only played 5 games. Because Duke doesn't have a ton of athletes, they played their best OL at LT. So he has played Center but not really. I'm very weary of spending a first round pick on a guy that will be switching positions. I'd rather they take J P-J or Frazier.

Right. I don't think he's going 1st round. I can see a team taking him in the 2nd round because he's a solid athlete and a 5 position player. Very valuable guy.

He was measured at the Senior Bowl and has 32 3/8" arms. But his hands are massive. I think arm length and wingspan is a bigger issue for OT. Center is more about leverage and mentality, thus wingspan isn't a big issue for me. To expound on what JTG mentioned, Frazier is a 4 time wrestling champion in WV.

If the Steelers can get him in the 2nd, that would be awesome. I think he can step right in an start Game 1 and be a huge improvement over Cole.

I just looked up Frazier's measurables - he looks good. 2nd round pick all day.

Are you talking about Limmer?...... Cause Roman Wilson is not a Center.

No I'm talking about Wilson. I think he'd be a huge upgrade in the slot for us. Or McConkey.

Wasn't a believer in Austin. I think he's a #4 and a special teamer.

 

[JTG]

 

[pistolpete11]

Pickett having happy feet was on the scouting report.

But at the same time, we don't know what the Steelers are trying to change or not to change. I do think if we're suspect Tomlin suspicion though, we'd be suspecting him to just throw the ball out more though, right? Trying to escape and extend the play carries the risk of making it worse.

Depends. Throwing the ball could lead to turnovers, especially under pressure.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I wanted Rudolph back anyway, but I think his style fits perfectly with Smith's offense. Rely on the run game, setup play actions, and take shots down field. If Mason does 1 thing well, it's throw the deep ball.

If they can't keep him, though, I agree Tannehill is a good backup option given he knows the offense and can mentor Pickett. He did get benched this year, but to be fair, it wasn't like Levis was all that much better (78.5 QBR to 84.2). I think it was a hope and a prayer and/or time to get the rookie some experience. Also worth noting, it was another new OC in Tennessee.

Fully agree. Their philosophy could essentially be the 2004/2005 Steelers of running strong and throwing long. Mason is the only QB on the roster to threaten anyone deep.

 

[Peat]

Depends. Throwing the ball could lead to turnovers, especially under pressure.

By out I meant 20 yards into the crowd, not actually aimed at anyone.

edit: Although looking up which QBs just throw it away the most, this seems a great deal more complex rules wise than I knew.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Preaching to the choir.

Priority one for me is ensuring Broderick Jones is a LT exclusively.

Priority two... actually priority two might be restacking the ILB/S room so they don't end up with Minkah Fitzpatrick being a very expensive box safety rather than being a playmaking free safety again.

Cole comes right after that.

If they draft a RT and C 1 and 2, I’d be pretty happy.

Kicks Jones back where he belongs hopefully, and a rookie C picked that high can’t be any worse than Cole.

 

[xlm34]

Kubiak is going to the Saints. The timing on the Arthur Smith hire makes a little more sense to me now.

Steelers wouldn’t have even been able to interview him for another couple weeks and Smith may have taken another job in the interim.

 

[JTG]

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I will add something to this little thing - Zach Frazer has two of the biggest hands I think I have ever seen reported for a player. He would have the 5th largest hand in the NFL right now. Hard to not like the guy who is heavier yet more athletic, but I am really starting to like Frazier more and more.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

'Just The Steelers:' Ex-Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict Says He Only Played Dirty Against Pittsburgh

Former Cincinnati Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict has made it very clear over the years that he’s not too fond of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He chirped Joey Porter Jr. after the younger Porter said he grew up hating Burfict, and he obviously delivered a number of dirty hits over the years with Steelers...

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[The Great Mighty Poo]

'Just The Steelers:' Ex-Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict Says He Only Played Dirty Against Pittsburgh

Former Cincinnati Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict has made it very clear over the years that he’s not too fond of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He chirped Joey Porter Jr. after the younger Porter said he grew up hating Burfict, and he obviously delivered a number of dirty hits over the years with Steelers...

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.... I completely forgot he was a thing at a place for a period of time, or was still even alive, you truly do learn a new thing everyday. Now I can go back to not caring.

 

[pistolpete11]

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/source-pittsburgh-steelers-interviewing-three-offensive-coaching-candidates

Looks like they are going to go with a passing game coordinator. I don't know shit about these guys, but none of their write ups are all that inspiring.



Arth - Chargers didn't have a great passing game last year with a guy like Herbert, but they did the year prior, so.....who knows? Of the 3, I guess he'd be my pick.

London - has spent most of his career as a running backs coach. Would rather have a QB specialist type. Unfortunately, he worked with Smith in Atlanta, so he might have the inside track.

Azzani - is a WR coach.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/source-pittsburgh-steelers-interviewing-three-offensive-coaching-candidates

Looks like they are going to go with a passing game coordinator. I don't know shit about these guys, but none of their write ups are all that inspiring.



Arth - Chargers didn't have a great passing game last year with a guy like Herbert, but they did the year prior, so.....who knows? Of the 3, I guess he'd be my pick.

London - has spent most of his career as a running backs coach. Would rather have a QB specialist type. Unfortunately, he worked with Smith in Atlanta, so he might have the inside track.

Azzani - is a WR coach.

A running backs coach as the Steelers' passing game coordinator.

Yup. That tracks. Sadly so.