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[ChaosAgent]

But that's kind of the point, no?

If Mahomes is an alien, we've got to question how much success someone playing his style is going to have without his alien qualities.

To some extent every QB is ambitious and then learns to reel it in. I'd rather have a guy taking chances I college than a checkdown machine.

I am divided on Williams generally but him being ambitious is not why. I think there are real character questions. He really reminds me of the QB prospect in the "Draft Day" movie hah.

 

[Peat]

To some extent every QB is ambitious and then learns to reel it in. I'd rather have a guy taking chances I college than a checkdown machine.

I am divided on Williams generally but him being ambitious is not why. I think there are real character questions. He really reminds me of the QB prospect in the "Draft Day" movie hah.

But the thing about Mahomes is it's less he learned to reel in his ambitions and more how to feel the game to such an extent that he doesn't really have to. He plays heroball with the safety of a checkdown guy.

So my question - as a guy who really knows nothing more about the guy than the cliff notes, I've not followed the QBs heavily because the top guys just aren't going to be here - is if Williams can't feel the heat like that, what's he going to be? Does he have to stay in the pocket more and look more ordinary? Is he going to get into a ton of trouble trying to extend plays? Does Mahomesball work without that sixth sense?

It's like how you some really slow veterans still looking okay at the end of their career because of their smarts and experience when you know a rookie that slow is going to get buried. Some things are only possible with special gifts.

 

[ChaosAgent]

But the thing about Mahomes is it's less he learned to reel in his ambitions and more how to feel the game to such an extent that he doesn't really have to. He plays heroball with the safety of a checkdown guy.

So my question - as a guy who really knows nothing more about the guy than the cliff notes, I've not followed the QBs heavily because the top guys just aren't going to be here - is if Williams can't feel the heat like that, what's he going to be? Does he have to stay in the pocket more and look more ordinary? Is he going to get into a ton of trouble trying to extend plays? Does Mahomesball work without that sixth sense?

It's like how you some really slow veterans still looking okay at the end of their career because of their smarts and experience when you know a rookie that slow is going to get buried. Some things are only possible with special gifts.

Of course you can have ambitious QBs that bust. Williams predecessor at USC, Sam Darnold, had INT concerns dating back to college that were indeed his undoing.

We don't know if Williams has or doesn't have the sixth sense. Mahomes wasn't considered a super prospect when he was in college. What people say is that Williams is a once every 3-4 years type of QB prospect.

Trevor Lawrence played it extremely safe on college teams that were comically dominant against everyone they played except Alabama and he doesn't look so hot now.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

https://x.com/haydenwinks/status/1749469180079067249?s=46&t=YE2NPYWvXyArt8F6TGk8yA

Something to keep an eye on

Connor Williams tore his ACL in December....... and he only played 9 of 17 games. He did play all 17 games the prior two seasons but his Cowboys career before that was mired by injury.

He wouldn't be available for the beginning of next season and not fully healthy til late in the season. Usually takes a year to get back to 100% from an ACL. Thus he wouldn't be 100% til Dec of next season.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I respect the guy that completely changed his offense to develop that two time MVP.

Now they are in the AFC championship game.

Remind me the last time Tomlin sniffed a playoff win?

Harbaugh even won his SB with Joe Flacco, who he also developed.

You have to be a complete buster to think Tomlin is in Harbaugh's class for developing Qbs.

Let me know when Tomlin wins a f***ing playoff game, let alone gets to another championship game with a Qb he developed.

John doesn’t develop Qbs. He doesn’t do much with the offense he is ceo who hires people to do that

Connor Williams tore his ACL in December....... and he only played 9 of 17 games. He did play all 17 games the prior two seasons but his Cowboys career before that was mired by injury.

He wouldn't be available for the beginning of next season and not fully healthy til late in the season. Usually takes a year to get back to 100% from an ACL. Thus he wouldn't be 100% til Dec of next season.

And he doesn’t fit our scheme nor does he take on bigger NT. He is a zone blocking c

 

[Peat]

Of course you can have ambitious QBs that bust. Williams predecessor at USC, Sam Darnold, had INT concerns dating back to college that were indeed his undoing.

We don't know if Williams has or doesn't have the sixth sense. Mahomes wasn't considered a super prospect when he was in college. What people say is that Williams is a once every 3-4 years type of QB prospect.

Trevor Lawrence played it extremely safe on college teams that were comically dominant against everyone they played except Alabama and he doesn't look so hot now.

Yeah but is Williams ambitious because of where he's trying to throw the ball to, or ambitious because of where he's trying to throw the ball from?

Because I think most ambitious QB prospects historically are the former, and what I'm reading about Williams and what has people excited and making Mahomes' comparisons is extending the play and the ability to throw off-platform.

I know Mahomes isn't the first QB to have a strong escape the pocket and throw capability but I think it's still fairly rare as a lot of guys with scramble ability use it to start running, and I'm fairly sure Williams is the first guy to draw these comparisons since Mahomes became Mahomes.

And I feel fairly sure most QB evaluators will be looking hard at that to try and work it out. I know that pocket presence is something they struggle with, but it's still what they'll be looking at.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

John doesn’t develop Qbs. He doesn’t do much with the offense he is ceo who hires people to do that

Do you even read the shit you write?

Whatever boss, you are literally pissing into the wind with your mouth wide open.

 

[mynameisnick4]

John doesn’t develop Qbs. He doesn’t do much with the offense he is ceo who hires people to do that


And he doesn’t fit our scheme nor does he take on bigger NT. He is a zone blocking c

Well in that case he is far better than Tomlin in that department. Tomlin is awful at finding coordinators.

 

[Peat]

Well in that case he is far better than Tomlin in that department. Tomlin is awful at finding coordinators.

That was my thought too. The CEO that develops QBs > the CEO that doesn't.

 

[ChaosAgent]

That was my thought too. The CEO that develops QBs > the CEO that doesn't.

Or how about the organization that drafted Lamar Jackson instead of the org that placated their fat 36 year old QB to draft a fringe 2nd-3rd round guy that the coach had a personal relationship with instead. Barf.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Well in that case he is far better than Tomlin in that department. Tomlin is awful at finding coordinators.

Tomlin doesn’t have the same budget the ravens are paying their assistant coaches 12 million dollars plus John gets 12 million himself

Or how about the organization that drafted Lamar Jackson instead of the org that placated their fat 36 year old QB to draft a fringe 2nd-3rd round guy that the coach had a personal relationship with instead. Barf.

Colbert had just extended Ben and called him the unquestioned leader of the locker room and Ben threw a fit when we took mason in round 3 that year

 

[ChaosAgent]

Colbert had just extended Ben and called him the unquestioned leader of the locker room and Ben threw a fit when we took mason in round 3 that year

Yes, Ben was an absolute jerk.
Tomlin was also a coward and found a way to overdraft his guy (Edmunds) by one round at least.

We should have 100% drafted Lamar Jackson in 2018. Not even hindsight. Boo hoo, Fat #7.

 

[Peat]

I would posit that if Tomlin just told his OCs to keep running it into a stacked box in a playoff game, maybe there are reasons he's struggled to find a high performing OC beyond how much money they can be offered/the org's eye for them (also quite likely issues).

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[WickedWrister]

Cheers to everyone that was pulling for a Shanny/McVay disciple...

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[xlm34]

That’s a pretty encouraging first interview of those are the types of candidates they’re going to be looking at.

 

[WickedWrister]

Sounds like he worked with Mason at OK State getting ready for the combine and predraft process.

Hasn't called plays at the NFL level FWIW

 

[Peat]

Interesting the first candidate is a guy without NFL OC experience.

Also completely tangential but interesting he got hired for the NFL from PFF.

 

[JTG]

Mahomes definitely has that legendary feel to him that I don't sense from any other QB right now. Like no matter what playoff seed his team is, no matter how ho-hum the regular season was, he's probably going to win anyway. It's as much his mindset as it is physical ability. Besides the incessant whining about officiating, he’s a pretty likable and marketable guy too.

I just can't get over his playoff success. He's played 16 playoff games and won 13 of them, with a QBR over 100.

With Williams he's got the ability but does he have the mindset and intangibles?

I also find him likeable. I find everything that surrounds him to be completely off-putting, but that's the NFL and not his doing.

I feel like as much as anything right now, what separates Mahomes from the mortals is how incredibly difficult it is for a pass rush to put him in trouble. You can't blitz him, he'll find where that open guy is too quickly. His sixth sense for pressure is absurd. He's constantly top 5 for pressure to sack ratio despite extending his plays as long as anyone. Basically, how do you stop a QB who constantly gets nearly 3 seconds to throw?

There is no way to take every option away from him. Even when guys get a hold of him, he can just flick his wrist and the ball is gone.

We didn't know Mahomes was Mahomes until his 2nd-3rd year.

And if the standard is Mahomes, sure anyone will look bad. Mahomes is the best QB in history.

I mean, he was a 1st round pick. His arm was totally evident in his draft year. The knock on him was coming from an Air Raid type offense and whether he would be able to operate in an NFL offense. Turns out...he is an NFL offense.

Cheers to everyone that was pulling for a Shanny/McVay disciple...

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Sounds good to me.

 

[T1K]

Connor Williams tore his ACL in December....... and he only played 9 of 17 games. He did play all 17 games the prior two seasons but his Cowboys career before that was mired by injury.

He wouldn't be available for the beginning of next season and not fully healthy til late in the season. Usually takes a year to get back to 100% from an ACL. Thus he wouldn't be 100% til Dec of next season.

Buy-low opportunity perhaps? It would take a rookie some time to acclimate to the league, and no guarantee he’d be better than Williams when healthy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Tomlin doesn’t have the same budget the ravens are paying their assistant coaches 12 million dollars plus John gets 12 million himself


Colbert had just extended Ben and called him the unquestioned leader of the locker room and Ben threw a fit when we took mason in round 3 that year

You keep pushing this nonsense with zero evidence.

Butler was being paid a DC salary for years when he was the LB coach.

Tomlin is the second highest paid coach in the NFL.

Using the AR2 is forcing a budget on Tomlin excuse is BS.

If Tomlin wanted the budget for a larger staff, AR2 would grant it.

If he needed a bigger budget to chase big names, AR2 would grant it.

Tomlin doesn’t want a bigger staff and hires his cronies.

You make every excuse in the book for this guy.

If he doesn’t land a big name OC this off-season, it won’t be because of budget restraints.

 

[TimmyD]

You can take him at #5.

I have seen several mocks that have him going in the early 20's (Brugler, Brooks) mostly to Miami at pick 21, right after the Steelers. If he actually that good, the Steelers should take him at 20.

But the draft analysis says there are three Centers (J-PJ, Van Pran, Frazier) and they are all grouped together around the mid 2nd round. Feels like the Steelers should be able to wait til their pick in the 2nd round. I also wouldn't have a problem with using one of the 4th round picks to move up in the 2nd to grab one. Though that would only move them up 5-6 picks, it would get them ahead of PHI, CIN, JAX who need help at OL.

Especially Philly now that Kelce has retired. I could see them going with J-PJ in the late first. There really isn’t much there in FA.

No no no… pick 5 will be used to get Herbert his generational tight end… then in the second round they get JPJ as their center of the future….

 

[Peat]

Buy-low opportunity perhaps? It would take a rookie some time to acclimate to the league, and no guarantee he’d be better than Williams when healthy.

The injury means there's a good chance you get what you pay for in that first season at least though.

 

[Josey Wales]

Sounds like he worked with Mason at OK State getting ready for the combine and predraft process.

Hasn't called plays at the NFL level FWIW

In other words No real OC's want anything to do with HC Cliché & poor Little Rich Kid AR 2nd

 

[WickedWrister]

In other words No real OC's want anything to do with HC Cliché & poor Little Rich Kid AR 2nd

He's interviewing for at least 4 teams that we know of... I wouldn't necessarily say that.