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xlm34 said:
Yeah if there were no strings attached, I’d prefer Fields over Pickett. If you have to fix a QB with pocket, processing, and accuracy issues you might as well go for the guy with the better physical talent.

But can’t say I’d be all that excited about trading a 2nd for a guy that probably won’t work out when you could just get the same result for free.
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I dunno I'd even want Fields over Pickett if he was free. His pocket processing should be ahead of Pickett considering his extra experience. It isn't. He has more accuracy issues. It's tiny samples but Fields ended up being about the worst 4th quarter QB in the league last season; Pickett radically improves and I would far rather have that guy. I've seen more people I trust praise Pickett's smarts than I have Fields' smarts. I'd forgotten that Payton had gushed over Pickett when he was an analyst; when Payton played Fields, he said after the game "we wanted to keep him in the pocket as he knew he'd make mistakes".

It's wild to me going back to read the stuff said about Pickett towards the end of his rookie season. It's like they're talking about another guy. I dunno if you can fix what just happened, but I'd rather have end of rookie season Pickett than Fields. End of second season Pickett? I dunno. But there's quite a few things about Fields I really don't like and think will be significantly harder to fix than Pickett's issues.

eta: It's really close either way. But I just don't care about excess athleticism all that much and some of the stuff on Fields in pure passing situations looks really worrying.
 
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This meltdown makes me actually want him on the team.
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Meltdown shmeltdown. Reading these posts about Fields just makes me laugh and highlights how clueless people are about the quarterback position in the NFL. You can have all the athleticism in the world but if you don’t have it between the ears you’re going to find yourself a free agent in no time, and that’s exactly where Fields is. If the Bears had even half a thought he could turn it around he wouldn’t be on the block. Stop the delusion. Fields sucks.
 
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I dunno I'd even want Fields over Pickett if he was free. His pocket processing should be ahead of Pickett considering his extra experience. It isn't. He has more accuracy issues. It's tiny samples but Fields ended up being about the worst 4th quarter QB in the league last season; Pickett radically improves and I would far rather have that guy. I've seen more people I trust praise Pickett's smarts than I have Fields' smarts. I'd forgotten that Payton had gushed over Pickett when he was an analyst; when Payton played Fields, he said after the game "we wanted to keep him in the pocket as he knew he'd make mistakes".

It's wild to me going back to read the stuff said about Pickett towards the end of his rookie season. It's like they're talking about another guy. I dunno if you can fix what just happened, but I'd rather have end of rookie season Pickett than Fields. End of second season Pickett? I dunno. But there's quite a few things about Fields I really don't like and think will be significantly harder to fix than Pickett's issues.
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To be completely honest, I’m just going off of who I think would entertain me more next year.

I’d be stoked if Pickett turns things around and maybe having a real NFL coordinator will help him do that, but I just don’t have high hopes at this point. And I wouldn’t have high hopes with Fields either but if I’m going to claw my eyes out at the QB play, I think it’d be cool to have a QB that occasionally makes me go “Oh that was neat.”

But at the expense of a high draft pick and picking up a fifth year option? Nah.
 
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xlm34 said:
To be completely honest, I’m just going off of who I think would entertain me more next year.

I’d be stoked if Pickett turns things around and maybe having a real NFL coordinator will help him do that, but I just don’t have high hopes at this point. And I wouldn’t have high hopes with Fields either but if I’m going to claw my eyes out at the QB play, I think it’d be cool to have a QB that occasionally makes me go “Oh that was neat.”

But at the expense of a high draft pick and picking up a fifth year option? Nah.
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Legit.

I'm curious to see what Smith does under Tomlin's direction. That'll be more make or break for me than the QB identity.

Tbh... the more I dig into all this on Pickett, the more I become cautiously optimistic there's a T2 QB there again. It seems highly unlikely given the stats, but the Steelers did highly unlikely things around him. Injuries meant the only defences he got to play full games against were 1st, 3rd, 9th, 10th, 11th, 14 x 2, 16th, 19th, and 21st. That's a weirdly skewed calendar which doesn't help.

I don't think Pickett is natively the guy we've seen in terms of the conservatism. I don't know what he's going to be if he's encouraged to be more aggressive but I think it could potentially be radically different.

Whether the team is willing to do that, who knows. Or whether they'd be aggressive game to game with Fields, or Rudolph, or Wilson, or your Aunt Patricia, or... well, you get the point.
 
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Legit.

I'm curious to see what Smith does under Tomlin's direction. That'll be more make or break for me than the QB identity.

Tbh... the more I dig into all this on Pickett, the more I become cautiously optimistic there's a T2 QB there again. It seems highly unlikely given the stats, but the Steelers did highly unlikely things around him. Injuries meant the only defences he got to play full games against were 1st, 3rd, 9th, 10th, 11th, 14 x 2, 16th, 19th, and 21st. That's a weirdly skewed calendar which doesn't help.

I don't think Pickett is natively the guy we've seen in terms of the conservatism. I don't know what he's going to be if he's encouraged to be more aggressive but I think it could potentially be radically different.

Whether the team is willing to do that, who knows. Or whether they'd be aggressive game to game with Fields, or Rudolph, or Wilson, or your Aunt Patricia, or... well, you get the point.
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I’m still a little underwhelmed by the Smith hire but I’m not as irritated as I initially was after seeing the rest of the OC positions around the league get filled. I don’t think we see anything mind blowing but it’ll at least be an offense that belongs at the professional level. Play action to set up deep shots instead of screens will be a welcome addition.

The more I read and see people talk about his offense, the more I think it’s the offense we needed two years ago. A good rushing attack with lots of play action and simple reads in the passing game seems perfect for trying to make life as easy as possible for a young QB. Not sure if it’s perfect for actually trying to contend, but it’s not like we’re seeing that anyhow.

To your point on Pickett being conservative, yeah that definitely was not his nature prior to being drafted. And while I do think they needed to dial him back a bit since he had a gunslinger mindset without the gunslinger arm talent, they completely neutered him. Hopefully they can find a happy medium.
 
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Pickett and Fields have almost identical career CPOE (completion percentage over expectation) so it's surprising to see people proclaim one as decidedly more accurate than the other. Even just looking at raw completion % for 2023, we're talking about 61.4% vs 62%. And that's with Fields being 11th in air yards compared to 27th for Pickett.
 
I'm very curious as to what DJ's value is around the league. I'd like to get a 2nd for him, and I'd be fine if it is in 2025.
 
JTG said:
I'm very curious as to what DJ's value is around the league. I'd like to get a 2nd for him, and I'd be fine if it is in 2025.
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Random question, but is the graphic I posted above visible for you? Image uploads fine on my end but when I refresh the thread, it cancels out the image and just display the file name.
 
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WickedWrister said:
Random question, but is the graphic I posted above visible for you? Image uploads fine on my end but when I refresh the thread, it cancels out the image and just display the file name.
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Nope
 
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NFL Analyst Throws Cold Water on Steelers Trade Rumors: ‘Arthur Smith … Wanted No Parts of Justin Fields’

NFL Network analyst Steve Wyche threw a big bucket of cold water on the speculating linking the Pittsburgh Steelers as a potential trade destination for Chicago Bears quarterback Justin Fields. In an appearance on the NFL Network’s NFL Report podcast on Tuesday, Wyche, who was in attendance at...
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Nope
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Thanks for the response. Not really sure why HFBoards hates direct uploads.
 
WickedWrister said:
Pickett and Fields have almost identical career CPOE (completion percentage over expectation) so it's surprising to see people proclaim one as decidedly more accurate than the other. Even just looking at raw completion % for 2023, we're talking about 61.4% vs 62%. And that's with Fields being 11th in air yards compared to 27th for Pickett.
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Good stat. I'm a little dubious given how much the other stats I've seen favour Pickett, but fair enough. I'd also point out that Fields might have more air yards, but he also had more checkdowns too.

Also just by percentage completion, 2023 is the highpoint of Fields' career and the lowpoint of Pickett's.
 
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MT said last season he regretted signing with the Steelers:

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He had to know he was a stop gap guy though, but Tomlin is good at lying to players, just ask Deebo and MR.

It will be interesting to see how much his career is damaged now and what he can get in FA.

Steelers are basically now a place where QBs and OCs come to and watch their careers go in the toilet.
 
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MT said last season he regretted signing with the Steelers:

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He had to know he was a stop gap guy though, but Tomlin is good at lying to players, just ask Deebo and MR.

It will be interesting to see how much his career is damaged now and what he can get in FA.

Steelers are basically now a place where QBs and OCs come to and watch their careers go in the toilet.
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Mitch knew when he signed he was a stop gap. The other team that was interested in him had Daniel jones in place here he at least got to start. The same issues he had in Chicago throwing off his back foot stairing down the wr being late on reads showed up here
 
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Mitch knew when he signed he was a stop gap. The other team that was interested in him had Daniel jones in place here he at least got to start. The same issues he had in Chicago throwing off his back foot stairing down the wr being late on reads showed up here
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Oh now he had all these issues after the fact, but almost exactly two years ago you told me he would thrive in Canada’s system being all mobile and such, and Roth was holding the offense back being all old and such.

Interesting.
 
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Oh now he had all these issues after the fact, but almost exactly two years ago you told me he would thrive in Canada’s system being all mobile and such, and Roth was holding the offense back being all old and such.

Interesting.
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Yes he was more comfortable with the rpo than ben since he ran it in college. When he set his feet and threw on balance he was fine. His mechanics get really lazy. Ben was washing he held on 2 years to long. He should have retired with pouncey. Canada offense was not the problem the problem was he couldn’t teach it or accept feed back. I didn’t know he had no communication skills. Most everyone in the nfl use motion and rpo. I do find it interesting that they hired an oc who loves play action and deep shots when KP said that was his biggest problem his rookie year in college they didn’t do under center play action often
 
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Yes he was more comfortable with the rpo than ben since he ran it in college. When he set his feet and threw on balance he was fine. His mechanics get really lazy. Ben was washing he held on 2 years to long. He should have retired with pouncey. Canada offense was not the problem the problem was he couldn’t teach it or accept feed back. I didn’t know he had no communication skills. Most everyone in the nfl use motion and rpo. I do find it interesting that they hired an oc who loves play action and deep shots when KP said that was his biggest problem his rookie year in college they didn’t do under center play action often
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Roth held on a year too long, yet him calling plays is the best the offense has looked in five years, sadly.

The rest of your reply is just you finally acknowledging Tomlin’s incompetence.
 
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MT said last season he regretted signing with the Steelers:

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He had to know he was a stop gap guy though, but Tomlin is good at lying to players, just ask Deebo and MR.

It will be interesting to see how much his career is damaged now and what he can get in FA.

Steelers are basically now a place where QBs and OCs come to and watch their careers go in the toilet.
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I personally think they should have did exactly what they were doing and ran with Trubisky and Rudolph. I just think our talent evaluation process is atrocious on the field, which gives me great pause. Khan and Weidl can give them as many great players as they like but if they don't use them properly it's all for not.

They should have went into the season with Mitch and Mason and drafted Linderbaum. This team would be in a better position now if they did.

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Roth held on a year too long, yet him calling plays is the best the offense has looked in five years, sadly.

The rest of your reply is just you finally acknowledging Tomlin’s incompetence.
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You really don't realize how great Ben was until you remember what he did. Prime Ben in the league today is directly behind Mahomes and to think in his day, he was rarely even mentioned as a top 5.

There is some ridiculous QB talent coming though, and though I think Mahomes will always be at the top, I can see a couple of these guys in college turning out to be really special.
 
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Yes he was more comfortable with the rpo than ben since he ran it in college. When he set his feet and threw on balance he was fine. His mechanics get really lazy. Ben was washing he held on 2 years to long. He should have retired with pouncey. Canada offense was not the problem the problem was he couldn’t teach it or accept feed back. I didn’t know he had no communication skills. Most everyone in the nfl use motion and rpo. I do find it interesting that they hired an oc who loves play action and deep shots when KP said that was his biggest problem his rookie year in college they didn’t do under center play action often
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Just when I didn't think I'd laugh any harder, I read this. Just wow. Pure comedic gold.
 
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