OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[bigdaddyk88]

Just when I didn't think I'd laugh any harder, I read this. Just wow. Pure comedic gold.

We saw the same offense and plays used by mason to have 3 straight 30 points games. He was the highest rated qb in that stretch

 

[JTG]

Canada is not a coordinator at any level. He may be a fine QB coach. Every single stop he has had has been downright dreadful.

He needs to just be cool with being an analyst or something.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I personally think they should have did exactly what they were doing and ran with Trubisky and Rudolph. I just think our talent evaluation process is atrocious on the field, which gives me great pause. Khan and Weidl can give them as many great players as they like but if they don't use them properly it's all for not.

They should have went into the season with Mitch and Mason and drafted Linderbaum. This team would be in a better position now if they did.



You really don't realize how great Ben was until you remember what he did. Prime Ben in the league today is directly behind Mahomes and to think in his day, he was rarely even mentioned as a top 5.

There is some ridiculous QB talent coming though, and though I think Mahomes will always be at the top, I can see a couple of these guys in college turning out to be really special.

I don't know if this team would be any better off had they used the KP pick on someone else.

In terms of not having a disaster like Cole at center, ya no doubt.

In terms of this team having a better record and actually winning a playoff game, I can't see it.

Tomlin has proven again and again he's too arrogant and incompetent to be anything but Mediocre Mike.

Maybe Kahn would have been more likely to jump way up in this draft and land one of the big three Qbs, but ultimately I think Tomlin would just f*** those guys up to.

I have to see a QB not named Roth have some sustained success with this guy before I'm convinced he's not a QB killer perpetually living in 1992.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

We saw the same offense and plays used by mason to have 3 straight 30 points games. He was the highest rated qb in that stretch

And Josh Dobbs had an even better stretch. Any QB can go on a heater, but I'd love to hear more jokes. It's a dreary day here...

 

[cookthebooks]

this organization has its faults and they are legion but cmon what exactly does mitch trubisky think he is signing up for with his track record

 

[JTG]

Bm


I don't know if this team would be any better off had they used the KP pick on someone else.

In terms of not having a disaster like Cole at center, ya no doubt.

In terms of this team having a better record and actually winning a playoff game, I can't see it.

Tomlin has proven again and again he's too arrogant and incompetent to be anything but Mediocre Mike.

Maybe Kahn would have been more likely to jump way up in this draft and land one of the big three Qbs, but ultimately I think Tomlin would just f*** those guys up to.

I have to see a QB not named Roth have some sustained success with this guy before I'm convinced he's not a QB killer perpetually living in 1992.

With a legit center, I think this season goes drastically different. Mason Cole's performance this year was so far below the bar. Moore deserves some blame, but when the center of the line immediately collapses...that's a serious issue. Linderbaum would have at least solidified that and then we could have been able to run the ball better early on.

The fact that Cole is still on this team right now infuriates me. They should have treated him like Chuks.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

And Josh Dobbs had an even better stretch. Any QB can go on a heater, but I'd love to hear more jokes. It's a dreary day here...

Dobbs best qb rating game this season was 120 he had 2 others at 101. Mason has 124 112 115

 

[WickedWrister]

I don't know if this team would be any better off had they used the KP pick on someone else.

In terms of not having a disaster like Cole at center, ya no doubt.

In terms of this team having a better record and actually winning a playoff game, I can't see it.

Linderbaum and Tyler Smith, the two OL that went after Pickett in the 1st round, already have a pro bowl and 2nd team all pro under their belt.

Like I’m not going to declare we beat Buffalo with one of them instead of Kenny, but there were clearly better picks available (with the gift of hindsight).

 

[bigdaddyk88]

With a legit center, I think this season goes drastically different. Mason Cole's performance this year was so far below the bar. Moore deserves some blame, but when the center of the line immediately collapses...that's a serious issue. Linderbaum would have at least solidified that and then we could have been able to run the ball better early on.

The fact that Cole is still on this team right now infuriates me. They should have treated him like Chuks.

They had guy ready to take over RT so moving on from Chukd was easy until they get a different c cole is here. Herbig isn’t good enough to take his spot

 

[JTG]

this organization has its faults and they are legion but cmon what exactly does mitch trubisky think he is signing up for with his track record

He's pissed and let down that he turned what looked like a resurrection in his career into a bust. He had a stretch there in Buffalo where people were very seriously talking about him reaching his potential. He rode that wave into here and we thought he was going to be the #1. They draft Kenny and now the waters are murky of where he stands.

I can get where he comes from sort of, but dude didn't play good football.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Dobbs best qb rating game this season was 120 he had 2 others at 101. Mason has 124 112 115

In 2 days I've had to defend my position on why DJ isn't in the same class as Diggs and to challenge that Canada's offense isn't NFL level.

I suggest you move out of that trailer park. The meth fumes can be deadly. I thought you were joking, but I feel like this is a cry for help. Blink twice if you're in distress

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Linderbaum and Tyler Smith, the two OL that went after Pickett in the 1st round, already have a pro bowl and 2nd team all pro under their belt.

Like I’m not going to declare we beat Buffalo with one of them instead of Kenny, but there were clearly better picks available (with the gift of hindsight).

With a legit center, I think this season goes drastically different. Mason Cole's performance this year was so far below the bar. Moore deserves some blame, but when the center of the line immediately collapses...that's a serious issue. Linderbaum would have at least solidified that and then we could have been able to run the ball better early on.

The fact that Cole is still on this team right now infuriates me. They should have treated him like Chuks.

I agree this "what if" scenario upgrades the talent on the roster, but I can't agree it changes the seven year playoff win drought.

Tomlin has shown way much too incompetence, this wretched streak started when he had Roth and Pouncey and he still couldn't win a playoff game.

I severely doubt a Linderbaum MR/MT combo moves the needle with Tomlin around.

But I guess JT is saying it would have them in a better position, so maybe in terms of talent and not pissing away a #1 on Tomlin's incompetence.

 

[pistolpete11]

I’m still a little underwhelmed by the Smith hire but I’m not as irritated as I initially was after seeing the rest of the OC positions around the league get filled. I don’t think we see anything mind blowing but it’ll at least be an offense that belongs at the professional level. Play action to set up deep shots instead of screens will be a welcome addition.

The more I read and see people talk about his offense, the more I think it’s the offense we needed two years ago. A good rushing attack with lots of play action and simple reads in the passing game seems perfect for trying to make life as easy as possible for a young QB. Not sure if it’s perfect for actually trying to contend, but it’s not like we’re seeing that anyhow.

To your point on Pickett being conservative, yeah that definitely was not his nature prior to being drafted. And while I do think they needed to dial him back a bit since he had a gunslinger mindset without the gunslinger arm talent, they completely neutered him. Hopefully they can find a happy medium.

What do you mean by the bolded?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

What do you mean by the bolded?

I don't want to speak for the poster, but I believe he's saying that we aren't contenders now so he's willing to be open minded about this hire as a semi-competent OC would make us closer to winning a playoff game

 

[pistolpete11]

I don't want to speak for the poster, but I believe he's saying that we aren't contenders now so he's willing to be open minded about this hire as a semi-competent OC would make us closer to winning a playoff game

Why's it not good to try to contend?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Why's it not good to try to contend?

I think basically it means you can probably pull off a playoff win with a great running game and game manger QB passing attack, but that won't get it done if you want to win a SB.

 

[pistolpete11]

I think basically it means you can probably pull off a playoff win with a great running game and game manger QB passing attack, but that won't get it done if you want to win a SB.

The 49ers were an extra point away from winning the SB and had the fewest pass attempts in the league.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

In 2 days I've had to defend my position on why DJ isn't in the same class as Diggs and to challenge that Canada's offense isn't NFL level.

I suggest you move out of that trailer park. The meth fumes can be deadly. I thought you were joking, but I feel like this is a cry for help. Blink twice if you're in distress

Canada offense isn’t unique theres tons of teams who use the same concepts and successful.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The 49ers were an extra point away from winning the SB and had the fewest pass attempts in the league.

Fewest att doesn’t equate to conservative pass offense.

49ers have one of the most innovative passing games in the league.

Purdy had over 4200 yards and 30+ TD.

He also avg 9.6 per throw, which is insane with the next closest starter being a full yard below that.

 

[Peat]

The 49ers were an extra point away from winning the SB and had the fewest pass attempts in the league.

Shanahan is held up as the great attacking mind of this generation and Purdy, while not an elite gunslinger QB, is asked to do a lot in terms of reading the defence and can also extend plays. He's not a one-read checkdown guy. They don't pass as much as other teams, but when they do they're very dangerous.

I mean it's a fair point that run-heavy pass-light has seen post-season success. Last two SB losers. But it's not super commonplace and Shanahan seems to be the only guy getting it to work again and again. The Eagles came from nowhere and went back to nowhere pretty quick.

But the good news is if they want it to work, they've got one of the two other OCs to make to make it work recently in the post-season in Smith. And he also did it by having a dangerous passing attack. The question is how much of that was "any fool can have a dangerous passing attack when other teams are trying to stop prime Henry behind an OL with more Pro Bowlers than not" and how much is Smith can genuinely do good stuff in his own right.

 

[Peat]

Yes he was more comfortable with the rpo than ben since he ran it in college. When he set his feet and threw on balance he was fine. His mechanics get really lazy. Ben was washing he held on 2 years to long. He should have retired with pouncey. Canada offense was not the problem the problem was he couldn’t teach it or accept feed back. I didn’t know he had no communication skills. Most everyone in the nfl use motion and rpo. I do find it interesting that they hired an oc who loves play action and deep shots when KP said that was his biggest problem his rookie year in college they didn’t do under center play action often

Steelers using at the snap motion less than just about any other team in the league.

I mean I'd roughly agree that the problem with Canada was more him than his playbook, but lets not pretend his playbook didn't get exposed a bunch too. Getting some sunny days out of it when the OL absolutely beat up the opposition DL shouldn't disguise that.

Steelers haven't used much RPO the last two years either.

 

[Peat]

But I guess JT is saying it would have them in a better position, so maybe in terms of talent and not pissing away a #1 on Tomlin's incompetence.

The team would be in a better position short term, but long term it's not going anywhere until its either

a) Accepted Tomlin can't rebuild an offence that has lost its franchise QB and he's let go (or jumps because he realises it)

b) He proves us wrong

As such, I'm all for Tomlin taking shots.

 

[xlm34]

What do you mean by the bolded?

I guess for me, Smith seems like his offense is a bit of a one (maybe two?) trick pony: zone runs and play action. And if it’s working that’s great. But what happens when a team shuts down his run game? Does he have a good enough drop back passing game to overcome it? Based on his time as a play caller, that answer is no. In the playoffs with the Titans, once a team shut down Henry that was that.

You bring up the niners and that’s a valid point that you can be run heavy and be a contender. Shanahan’s kind of gone away from the under center play action passing game though and still has an effective and efficient passing offense.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The team would be in a better position short term, but long term it's not going anywhere until its either

a) Accepted Tomlin can't rebuild an offence that has lost its franchise QB and he's let go (or jumps because he realises it)

b) He proves us wrong

As such, I'm all for Tomlin taking shots.

I’m fine with him taking shots, as I was all in on the KP selection.

I’m not fine with watching him botch a young QB because he’s too incompetent to develop the position.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Why's it not good to try to contend?

He's saying that we aren't contenders, so he's willing to take the risk on this OC hire and to make us contenders.

At least that's what I'm thinking