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[Ryder71]

You guys need to come to grips with the fact that we're going to take a WR earlier than everyone wants.

What about C, CB and OL?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Speaking of trades, you wonder what kind of value Dan Moore has around the league?

He is our starting Lt why would they trade him. They can’t fill all the holes in the draft

What about C, CB and OL?

Cb they just got cb2 and rush and trice will be considered draft picks.
Hopefully they trade down from 20 and and get more picks. Trade down in the 4th get your 5th back

 

[Ryder71]

He is our starting Lt why would they trade him. They can’t fill all the holes in the draft


Cb they just got cb2 and rush and trice will be considered draft picks.

That's where I'm at. We don't wanna create more holes. As it stands they'll probably flip the OT's to opposite sides.

He is our starting Lt why would they trade him. They can’t fill all the holes in the draft


Cb they just got cb2 and rush and trice will be considered draft picks.
Hopefully they trade down from 20 and and get more picks. Trade down in the 4th get your 5th back

We already have two 4ths. I think we should go hard for a center in round 1. Not sure if Jackson is the best answer at CB.

TBH I'd be more inclined to move up or stay where we're at.

 

[pistolpete11]

Sam Howell to Seattle to serve as their backup, I was expecting them to take Penix to backup Smith but Howell also makes a ton of sense.

The compensation for him was basically the equivalent of a late 3rd/early 4th. I think that's pretty spot on for what I figure they'd get back for Pickett if they moved him.

What are you suggesting exactly? Trade Pickett and draft a QB?

 

[WickedWrister]

What about C, CB and OL?

 

[Ryder71]

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[Peat]

Speaking of trades, you wonder what kind of value Dan Moore has around the league?

Probably the same as Dotson. But I doubt they're interested.

Sam Howell to Seattle to serve as their backup, I was expecting them to take Penix to backup Smith but Howell also makes a ton of sense.

The compensation for him was basically the equivalent of a late 3rd/early 4th. I think that's pretty spot on for what I figure they'd get back for Pickett if they moved him.

The real question to me here is are people preferring Howell and Ridder over Fields, or are Chicago stubborn that he should have more value, or what?

In any case, yeah, I'd happily take for Pickett, but it seems like the org aren't moving him so *le shrugs*. If anything, a number of analysts are insisting they're still serious about him. I feel like that's probably not worth talking about until camp, but it's there for what it is.

What about C, CB and OL?

They're gonna take C early.

They'll probably view Moore as an acceptable answer at OT and Jackson as an acceptable answer as CB2. They'll grab some veteran depth to play slot. I don't think either position is off the table but they'll punt them for a year if needs be.

I also wouldn't be surprised if WR slid to the 3rd round though.

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[Ryder71]

Probably the same as Dotson. But I doubt they're interested.



The real question to me here is are people preferring Howell and Ridder over Fields, or are Chicago stubborn that he should have more value, or what?

In any case, yeah, I'd happily take for Pickett, but it seems like the org aren't moving him so *le shrugs*. If anything, a number of analysts are insisting they're still serious about him. I feel like that's probably not worth talking about until camp, but it's there for what it is.



They're gonna take C early.

They'll probably view Moore as an acceptable answer at OT and Jackson as an acceptable answer as CB2. They'll grab some veteran depth to play slot. I don't think either position is off the table but they'll punt them for a year if needs be.

I also wouldn't be surprised if WR slid to the 3rd round though.



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They absolutely need to take a center early. If they take a WR in r 3 that's ok I guess, but the 1st two picks must be committed for other areas of need. That of course is prefaced by getting a quality WR in FA.

 

[pistolpete11]

They absolutely need to take a center early. If they take a WR in r 3 that's ok I guess, but the 1st two picks must be committed for other areas of need. That of course is prefaced by getting a quality WR in FA.

The perfect draft for me would be to go, without reaching, T, C, and then best available between WR and CB.

 

[Ryder71]

The perfect draft for me would be to go, without reaching, T, C, and then best available between WR and CB.

I don't think any of JPJ, Barton or Frazier will be there at 51.

 

[xlm34]

The perfect draft for me would be to go, without reaching, T, C, and then best available between WR and CB.

Feels like if they want one of JPJ, Barton, or Frazier the only options are:

1.) Take one in round 1
2.) Trade down into late round 1/early round 2
3.) Pretty sizable trade up in round 2

Dunno. JPJ at 20 would be fine but I hate that their hands seem kind of tied at the center position unless they want to risk starting one of the second tier rookies (which tbh I would be fine with)

 

[T1K]

I’ve learned it’s best to not question the Steelers moves at WR. They hit their picks at a good rate, and they usually move on from them at the right time too. Emmanuel Sanders is the only one I can recall being better off after leaving the Steelers.

 

[Peat]

I feel like I should be more bang the table on build the trenches. The thing I want most is for Broderick Jones to play at LT (but then, I don't believe that's getting fully solved in the draft). The thing they need most is a C.

But if they go BPA at a position of want I'm okay with it. It's not like I believe the team are going to do anything particularly wonderful next year, so I can't really argue with extracting the best value from the draft.

I get that FA is pretty barren but if the team walk out of this with no OL help, I'm gonna be a little unimpressed. Expecting to solve two OL positions through the draft is v. ambitious. I dunno it's even a guarantee if they just take what's there in the 1st and 2nd round.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I’m in agreement with those who say WR in round 3 is ok but end if sooner. If they go receiver in 1 or 2, that means they're assuming the new DJ is their CB2 and they are good at tackle. I’m good with one of those but not both.

All that assumes they intend to address the center position in round 1.

 

[Ryder71]

IF we get a WR in FA you go with Center in round 1. At least with Tackle, Moore is good not great. But we have a gaping hole at C. You can't aptly chicken wire it as is.

 

[pistolpete11]

I don't think any of JPJ, Barton or Frazier will be there at 51.

Feels like if they want one of JPJ, Barton, or Frazier the only options are:

1.) Take one in round 1
2.) Trade down into late round 1/early round 2
3.) Pretty sizable trade up in round 2

Dunno. JPJ at 20 would be fine but I hate that their hands seem kind of tied at the center position unless they want to risk starting one of the second tier rookies (which tbh I would be fine with)

I've wondered how they feel about Herbig at C or Daniels at C Herbig at G. It's not ideal for Daniels, I know, but he's done it. And Herbig can't be worse at C/G than Moore at LT, right?.....Right?!

It wouldn't be my plan A, of course, but if they took a risk and it backfired, maybe it's a better fall back option than Moore.

Then again, I don't know why they would let Cole struggle like he did last year if they had any faith in Herbig.

IF we get a WR in FA you go with Center in round 1. At least with Tackle, Moore is good not great. But we have a gaping hole at C. You can't aptly chicken wire it as is.

Good? Wasn't he rated as one of the worst T in the league?

 

[WickedWrister]

I think there's a chance Frazier could be there at 51. I know mock drafts aren't very solid evidence, but he's not in the top 50 on this aggregating site I've posted a bunch in this thread. They have JPJ at an expected draft position of 20.6 (our pick, shocker) and Barton at 28.7.

Just looking at FA: TEN, WAS, MIA, and JAC got their starters. But now DAL, DEN, and BUF probably need C replacements (not sure what their in house options are).

It's going to depend on just how many Tackles and WR go in the first 50 picks. Should be a ton.

 

[Ryder71]

If you can get JPJ at 20 you take that and run! I'd be thrilled! If not maybe you trade down a few spots and then get Barton or Frazier. If they can get Mitchell though I'd be enticed. Like Mims but center is a huge issue.

 

[Peat]

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Ta. Pro Football Reference was being real annoying for me.

Williams has all the talent but he's a sicknote with big fitness issues going into next season. Allen, by my understanding, has a lot less of the talent but is also a sicknote.

And Bozeman is a guy I wasn't aware of and looks cautiously promising, although it looks like Pro Football Reference thinks he's a far better Guard than Center.

I think the Steelers are committed to the draft here.

 

[Ryder71]

I think there's a chance Frazier could be there at 51. I know mock drafts aren't very solid evidence, but he's not in the top 50 on this aggregating site I've posted a bunch in this thread. They have JPJ at an expected draft position of 20.6 (our pick, shocker) and Barton at 28.7.

Just looking at FA: TEN, WAS, MIA, and JAC got their starters. But now DAL, DEN, and BUF probably need C replacements (not sure what their in house options are).

It's going to depend on just how many Tackles and WR go in the first 50 picks. Should be a ton.

I don't think we're in the position to risk that.

I've wondered how they feel about Herbig at C or Daniels at C Herbig at G. It's not ideal for Daniels, I know, but he's done it. And Herbig can't be worse at C/G than Moore at LT, right?.....Right?!

It wouldn't be my plan A, of course, but if they took a risk and it backfired, maybe it's a better fall back option than Moore.

Then again, I don't know why they would let Cole struggle like he did last year if they had any faith in Herbig.


Good? Wasn't he rated as one of the worst T in the league?

I didn't see that. I thought he was good. I'm sure they'll move him to RT anyhow. But if I have to address C or OT it's center.

 

[WickedWrister]

I don't think we're in the position to risk that.

Maybe not, but you can absolutely get quality centers in the 2nd round. Pick ~50 really is the sweet spot for them.

 

[pistolpete11]

I didn't see that. I thought he was good. I'm sure they'll move him to RT anyhow. But if I have to address C or OT it's center.

Somebody said he can't play RT.

 

[Ryder71]

Maybe not, but you can absolutely get quality centers in the 2nd round. Pick ~50 really is the sweet spot for them.

CB's and WR's are far deeper in rounds two and three. I just don't wanna try to get cute with a position like that when there's a guy or two available who can be a mainstay for over a decade.

Somebody said he can't play RT.

I thought the plan was to move Jones to LT. Heard it repeatedly, from Steeler ''insiders''. Kaboly, Dulac

 

[Peat]

I think there's a chance Frazier could be there at 51. I know mock drafts aren't very solid evidence, but he's not in the top 50 on this aggregating site I've posted a bunch in this thread. They have JPJ at an expected draft position of 20.6 (our pick, shocker) and Barton at 28.7.

Just looking at FA: TEN, WAS, MIA, and JAC got their starters. But now DAL, DEN, and BUF probably need C replacements (not sure what their in house options are).

It's going to depend on just how many Tackles and WR go in the first 50 picks. Should be a ton.

Ryder beat me to it.

It's very 50-50 to me. The Athletic's consensus big board has Frazier at 45. It's obviously far from impossible.

But if he slips by... are you happy with SvP as a starter? Happy with him at 51? Happy with hoping nobody scoops him up before the 3rd? Those questions make me feel real uncomfortable gambling on him being there. Feel like the Steelers have painted themselves into a corner here.

 

[Peat]

I didn't see that. I thought he was good. I'm sure they'll move him to RT anyhow. But if I have to address C or OT it's center.

Tomlin said Moore wasn't good enough at RT to play there last season. Both he and Khan have pointedly not committed to Jones starting next season at LT. Moore starting next season at LT feels live.

In his defence, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but while he put up some of the worst pass blocking grades in football last year he did it with some of the hardest assignments. He faces a murderer's row and I don't think the Steelers helped him as much as previous years. I don't want to bet on his continued improvement, but it wouldn't super surprise me.

Mainly I just don't want to bet on Jones at RT, but I don't get what I want so I'm bracing for it.