OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[WickedWrister]

I'll tell you what - that dude may very well be a generational one. He's the total package when it comes to a wideout and we'd be really lucky to have him, even though it's not what I would do.

Yeah it seems like Nabers and Odunze would be WR1 in almost any other class that didn't have a Marvin Harrison Jr.

Daniel Jeremiah has them as 3 of the top 4 prospects in this years draft (Odunze tied with Caleb Williams).

 

[Empoleon8771]

I will say, Wilson seems legitimately excited to join the Steelers. I just hope his level of play can match that.

 

[Ryder71]

Did we really solve our issues at CB?

So, now we need C, WR, S, OT and probably another CB, DL and lesser WR.

He seems like a JAG, but I don’t think he’s going to hurt the team. This gives us a little more flexibility at the very least. DJ’s time was done here when Smith got hired — not a fit. This draft is a great opportunity to find his replacement.

What about center? We likely need to take one early on.

 

[PensandCaps]

No he is a very good number 2 but this draft is so deep at wr only 1 fa wr as actually signed

I disagree with him being a very good #2. He's just a fine one.

Doesn't block, Fumbles and drop problems, only can put up numbers on tons of targets.

I wouldn't want him as my #2 just from his lack of effort and bad sportsmanship alone.

They literally have Muth and GP and nothing else.

Again this will open up around 120 targets for someone else, who is more deserving.

 

[Ryder71]

Wish we'd go after Simmons or Ridley. Too many holes IMO to get it all done in the draft.

 

[PensandCaps]

I disagree with him being a very good #2. He's just a fine one.

Doesn't block, Fumbles and drop problems, only can put up numbers on tons of targets.

I wouldn't want him as my #2 just from his lack of effort and bad sportsmanship alone.


Again this will open up around 120 targets for someone else, who is more deserving.

Just to add, DJ's only season of 1,000 yards came on 169 targets. Lol.

So i fail to see how he is some unquestioned #2.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Wish we'd go after Simmons or Ridley. Too many holes IMO to get it all done in the draft.

Odds are there are going to be more signings they still have 17-18 million in soace before any restructures

 

[Ryder71]

Odds are there are going to be more signings they still have 17-18 million in soace before any restructures

I would think so, but until they happen kind of up in the air. Based on the number of needs they absolutely need to.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I disagree with him being a very good #2. He's just a fine one.

Doesn't block, Fumbles and drop problems, only can put up numbers on tons of targets.

I wouldn't want him as my #2 just from his lack of effort and bad sportsmanship alone.


Again this will open up around 120 targets for someone else, who is more deserving.

The drops are so overstated he had drop issues for 1 season. He was literally playing with a bottom 5 Qb his entire career He is widely considered a top 5 route runner. You can give GP 100 targets if KP is rhe Qb it will not matter

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I am not necessarily against getting rid of DJ. Although getting thin at receiver when you bring in a name option at quarterback is an interesting move that will depend on what comes next from Khan.

The actual trade itself is more puzzling, absent some sort of retained salary or restructuring. He is coming off a serious injury. And the Steelers lose Cap space in the deal. Again, assuming that there are no additional details to the deal yet to come out.

 

[T1K]

Did we really solve our issues at CB?

So, now we need C, WR, S, OT and probably another CB, DL and lesser WR.


What about center? We likely need to take one early on.

We can address all of those positions through free agency and the draft. It’s only the 2nd day of free agency.

Our CB room is better today than it was yesterday. I have absolutely no concerns about replacing DJ. If there’s one thing I trust about the Steelers, it’s their ability to evaluate WRs — both in the draft and when to cut them loose.

 

[ChaosAgent]

We needed another corner, but this Jackson looks like a ?. As awful as Wallace was early he looked better to my eye as the season wore on.

If we can somehow reduce this guy's salary/cap hit I am more amenable. As it is we for sure lost the better player in this deal.

 

[Peat]

The drops are so overstated he had drop issues for 1 season. He was literally playing with a bottom 5 Qb his entire career He is widely considered a top 5 route runner. You can give GP 100 targets if KP is rhe Qb it will not matter

Hmm.

Funnily enough, the stats with Pickens for games where Pickett finished and started amounts to 100 targets over a 17 game season.

It also amounts to 130 more yards than Johnson got in his 17 games with Pickett with the same conditions (despite getting 33 more targets) and nearly 5 times the TDs.

That seems like it would in fact matter.

If you translate Pickens' stats to Johnson's targets you get a 1230 yard season with 6.4 TDs. That's pretty strong, albeit still a few TDs shy of where it needs to be.

Yeah, Pickett hasn't been easy work for anyone, and obviously Pickens and Johnson had different roles in the offence, but at the same time lets not pretend there was no way a WR couldn't get decent stats with Pickett. It happened, just not with DJ, who did stone cold the opposite.

 

[Ryder71]

We needed another corner, but this Jackson looks like a ?. As awful as Wallace was early he looked better to my eye as the season wore on.

If we can somehow reduce this guy's salary/cap hit I am more amenable. As it is we for sure lost the better player in this deal.

That's where I'm at. We garnered a better draft pick, but just created another hole and not so sure Jackson is the answer at CB. Hopefully there's more coming, I'd have to think there is quite a bit more. But as it stands now kinda underwhelmed.

Jackson is coming to a better team so that' can't do anything but help one would think.

 

[JTG]

9ers releasing Arik Armstead.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Peat]

The one thing I do like about getting Jackson is he makes a pretty slow defence a lot faster immediately. But yeah, the trade itself ain't great from the sound of it. See if there's any further details to emerge on cap, restructuring, whatever, but right now got to wonder whether just cutting him wouldn't have been better. Feels like they wanted to make sure they got a guy with experience and they got that, and a lot of the CBs in FA were getting on in age.

The bit about Johnson going, we'll see, but this video is pretty blunt and damning about why he's not here and that is basically he's been a bellend and he wants out.



And we can talk about the reliability of media sources, but the bit of Johnson we can see has major smoke so being told there was a fire isn't shocking.

Also, same guy, good video on Wilson

 

[DanielPlainview]

If they manage to get Calvin Ridley or Tee Higgins I’d be happy with that. But with their history of drafting stud WRs I wouldn’t be surprised if they think they can punt that need to the draft.

C and OT are still the primary needs. I hope something happens there soon.

 

[Peat]

The video I posted suggest Reynolds as a WR2 who's still out there who fits the Arthur Smith/Steelers mould. I wouldn't hate that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The more I think about trading Johnson, the more I’m glad he’s gone. He is a very talented receiver, but I don’t give a crap about talent if the guy isn’t committed to the team and winning. The more I think about him, the more I think he’s the kind of player this team needs to be getting rid of. I think they got mediocre value back for him, but he’s the kind of guy that they should be getting rid of regardless.

I think Pickens is at risk of ending up in this category too, which is a big concern I have. But I don’t think he’s there yet, so we’ll just have to cross that bridge whenever we reach it.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The drops are so overstated he had drop issues for 1 season. He was literally playing with a bottom 5 Qb his entire career He is widely considered a top 5 route runner. You can give GP 100 targets if KP is rhe Qb it will not matter

“Tomlin has never had a losing season!”

“DJ is a great route runner!”

Know what all that has added up to?

Zero playoff wins the last seven years.

Pickens and Pickett together without DJ around whining for the ball last season:

4 games 33 catches 357 yards.

In a Matt Canada offense!

With basically not even a decent receiver in there to help take attention off GP.

So ya they did just fine without DJ.

Those who pay attention know this is exactly what they are losing:

Diontae Johnson had to be pulled away from a member of coaching staff on Sunday

Cracks sometimes move slowly.

www.nbcsports.com

Sources: Steelers stars got into 'heated' spat

Diontae Johnson got into a "heated" argument with Minkah Fitzpatrick in the Steelers' locker room before Cameron Heyward and T.J. Watt broke up the altercation, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Potential rift between Mitchell Trubisky and Diontae Johnson might signal Steelers’ inner turmoil

All doesn’t seem well in Pittsburgh!

ftw.usatoday.com

 

[Ryder71]

I have plenty of faith in Omar. I just feel however that when you make a hole like that you clearly have a plan to fix it. I'm sure he does, but until it's reveled it's still a bit nerve-racking. Excited to see when the other shoe drops.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If they manage to get Calvin Ridley or Tee Higgins I’d be happy with that. But with their history of drafting stud WRs I wouldn’t be surprised if they think they can punt that need to the draft.

C and OT are still the primary needs. I hope something happens there soon.

Both of those guys will cost 20 million aav minimum

“Tomlin has never had a losing season!”

“DJ is a great route runner!”

Know what all that has added up to?

Zero playoff wins the last seven years.

Pickens and Pickett together without DJ around whining for the ball last season:

4 games 33 catches 357 yards.

In a Matt Canada offense!

With basically not even a decent receiver in there to help take attention off GP.

So ya they did just fine without DJ.

Those who pay attention know this is exactly what they are losing:

Diontae Johnson had to be pulled away from a member of coaching staff on Sunday

Cracks sometimes move slowly.

www.nbcsports.com

Sources: Steelers stars got into 'heated' spat

Diontae Johnson got into a "heated" argument with Minkah Fitzpatrick in the Steelers' locker room before Cameron Heyward and T.J. Watt broke up the altercation, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Potential rift between Mitchell Trubisky and Diontae Johnson might signal Steelers’ inner turmoil

All doesn’t seem well in Pittsburgh!

ftw.usatoday.com

It’s not that they traded him its the giving him away that bothers me

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

It’s not that they traded him its the giving him away that bothers me

They removed the poison from the locker room, which has immeasurable value.

They can’t win anything noteworthy with guys who have loser attitudes.

They need a real #1 getting the bulk of the targets, not Jeff Graham with a side of douche bag.

 

[xlm34]

I am not necessarily against getting rid of DJ. Although getting thin at receiver when you bring in a name option at quarterback is an interesting move that will depend on what comes next from Khan.

The actual trade itself is more puzzling, absent some sort of retained salary or restructuring. He is coming off a serious injury. And the Steelers lose Cap space in the deal. Again, assuming that there are no additional details to the deal yet to come out.

Yeah I think we just have to wait and see the whole picture before truly judging this trade. I think Khan has earned the benefit of the doubt so we’ll see.

One tweet I saw that kind of summed up some of my concerns said that this trade increases the likelihood that Dan Moore is the week 1 starter at tackle. Unless a trade or something happens, there aren’t great options left at WR/C in free agency so it seems like a good possibility that rounds 1 and 2 in the draft are those positions.

We’ll see.