OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[MrBrightside]

Thats a lot of money for a gut who gave up more sacks then Cole Daniels and Isac combined and still struggles with stunts when it comes to pass blocking

You're nothing if not predictable.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Thats a lot of money for a gut who gave up more sacks then Cole Daniels and Isac combined and still struggles with stunts when it comes to pass blocking

It’s ok to admit Tomlin made a colossal blunder playing Dotson on his opposite side.

At least he learned his lesson and isn’t doing something that mind numbingly dumb again right?

Can’t imagine any coach being that brain dead.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

The Steelers O-line, as far as sacks given up were like the 3rd fewest (36) in the league. Two more than the 49ers who led the league. I know sacks are not the only contributor, but it's not like they were the the Giants who gave up 85, lol.

Steelers were 13th best in Hurries.

In Pressure%, they were bottom 3rd (22nd) of the league at 22.3%. The Chiefs were 24th, the Lions were 19th at 22.0%.

Do the Steelers need to improve, no doubt. I think all of us want a new RT and C. And the Steelers have made it clear they do to by releasing Chuks and Cole. But the line last year was not some god awful train wreck like some people make it out to be and KP should have done a hell of alot better with what he was given.

 

[JTG]

The Steelers O-line, as far as sacks given up were like the 3rd fewest (36) in the league. Two more than the 49ers who led the league. I know sacks are not the only contributor, but it's not like they were the the Giants who gave up 85, lol.

Steelers were 13th best in Hurries.

In Pressure%, they were bottom 3rd (22nd) of the league at 22.3%. The Chiefs were 24th, the Lions were 19th at 22.0%.

Do the Steelers need to improve, no doubt. I think all of us want a new RT and C. And the Steelers have made it clear they do to by releasing Chuks and Cole. But the line last year was not some god awful train wreck like some people make it out to be and KP should have done a hell of alot better with what he was given.

I want to see KP in a new offense. He played 2 quarters without Canada.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I want to see KP in a new offense. He played 2 quarters without Canada.

KP issues aren’t Oc related

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I want to see KP in a new offense. He played 2 quarters without Canada.

He played 6 quarters without Canada and still only scored 19 points and threw no TDs.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You're nothing if not predictable.

Seems the rams are blaming the c since they cut Allen so we will see. Kevin himself said they simplified his assignment and stopped trying to run zone

He played 6 quarters without Canada and still only scored 19 points and threw no TDs.

He put 30 up against Cincinnati as a rookie under Canada so even is best game without Canada was worse against the same team

 

[WickedWrister]

Ok another source besides Dulac

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I want to see KP in a new offense. He played 2 quarters without Canada.

Yea and he was still making the same mistakes. His injury was his own doing as he misread the defense and bailed the pocket at the expense of an easy TD throw.

 

[xlm34]

Ok another source besides Dulac

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Interesting stats re: Wilson

Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
some wild marks from Russell Wilson last year

he threw 27% of his passes behind the line of scrimmage

#1 highest out of 509 QBs since 2005

he threw 62% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage

#2 highest out of 509 QBs since 2005

Sean Payton had no confidence in Wilson's intermediate passing

the 2023 Broncos had the least amount of intermediate passing of any offense since 2005

Wilson threw just 26% of his passes between 5-15 yards downfield

#1 lowest out of 509 QBs since 2005

it was nothing but record breaking rates of underneath passes and the occasional moon ball downfield

*509 QBs in sample with a min 300 att in a season

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
some wild marks from Russell Wilson last year

he threw 27% of his passes behind the line of scrimmage

#1 highest out of 509 QBs since 2005

he threw 62% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage

#2 highest out of 509 QBs since 2005

Sean Payton had no confidence in Wilson's intermediate passing

the 2023 Broncos had the least amount of intermediate passing of any offense since 2005

Wilson threw just 26% of his passes between 5-15 yards downfield

#1 lowest out of 509 QBs since 2005

it was nothing but record breaking rates of underneath passes and the occasional moon ball downfield

*509 QBs in sample with a min 300 att in a season

Mark Schlereth isn’t a fan either:



Basically said he doesn’t anticipate well anymore and avoids throwing in the middle of the field (this is a perfect fit for Tomlin’s O!)

MS also said his stats were misleading and “garbage”.

I’d say this would be Tomlin’s ideal kind of signing.

 

[Peat]

The Steelers O-line, as far as sacks given up were like the 3rd fewest (36) in the league. Two more than the 49ers who led the league. I know sacks are not the only contributor, but it's not like they were the the Giants who gave up 85, lol.

Steelers were 13th best in Hurries.

In Pressure%, they were bottom 3rd (22nd) of the league at 22.3%. The Chiefs were 24th, the Lions were 19th at 22.0%.

Do the Steelers need to improve, no doubt. I think all of us want a new RT and C. And the Steelers have made it clear they do to by releasing Chuks and Cole. But the line last year was not some god awful train wreck like some people make it out to be and KP should have done a hell of alot better with what he was given.

Pickett was 5th in the league for pressure percentage (according to Pro Football Reference). That's pretty train-wrecky. It was a lot better when Trubisky and Rudolph were in.

And while I daresay some of that's on him, I suspect more of it is on him accidentally getting all of the tough part of the schedule and just about none of the soft. His pretty good/strong pressure to sack ratio (depending on whose stats you use for it) is also on him too.

Throw in the high amount of perfect coverage faced, the injuries to 2 of his top 3 receivers, all the Canada problems that have been talked about... he wasn't given a whole lot. Think the guy who tried to make a stat out of "how much help did a QB get from his team" said only NYG helped their QBs less.

Could he have done better? Probably... but he was given a dog's dinner.

Yea and he was still making the same mistakes. His injury was his own doing as he misread the defense and bailed the pocket at the expense of an easy TD throw.

Bad habits aren't fixed in a week.

Hell, they're probably not fixed at all at this point. But being in a real offence would at least give him a chance to fix them, and a chance to do things that outweigh them. Most good players still have stupid impulses, they're put in situations that play to their strengths rather than their weaknesses.

I'd still rather move on but given the weakness of the other options, I'm curious to how it goes if it goes.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Bad habits aren't fixed in a week.

Hell, they're probably not fixed at all at this point. But being in a real offence would at least give him a chance to fix them, and a chance to do things that outweigh them. Most good players still have stupid impulses, they're put in situations that play to their strengths rather than their weaknesses.

I'd still rather move on but given the weakness of the other options, I'm curious to how it goes if it goes.

These are the same bad habits he had in college. And he was an overage player.

KP is a lower drafted Zach Wilson. He'll never be a 1A starter in this league. He's a good backup to have on your roster if you're a contender

 

[Peat]

These are the same bad habits he had in college. And he was an overage player.

KP is a lower drafted Zach Wilson. He'll never be a 1A starter in this league. He's a good backup to have on your roster if you're a contender

*shrugs* Probably, but having players actually schemed open and having an OC who isn't thrown under the bus by all and sundry for his awful communication should still probably make a big difference.

And it's not like the Steelers are in a position to get a 1A starter guy.

 

[xlm34]

Interesting stats re: Wilson

Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
some wild marks from Russell Wilson last year

he threw 27% of his passes behind the line of scrimmage

#1 highest out of 509 QBs since 2005

he threw 62% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage

#2 highest out of 509 QBs since 2005

Sean Payton had no confidence in Wilson's intermediate passing

the 2023 Broncos had the least amount of intermediate passing of any offense since 2005

Wilson threw just 26% of his passes between 5-15 yards downfield

#1 lowest out of 509 QBs since 2005

it was nothing but record breaking rates of underneath passes and the occasional moon ball downfield

*509 QBs in sample with a min 300 att in a season

He’s also taken 100 sacks in the past two years. I really just don’t think he’s the upgrade a lot of people think he is.

I’d love the salary, and maybe my perception of Wilson is totally wrong but I really can’t imagine him not going to a place where he didn’t have some assurances he’d start.

 

[MrBrightside]

He’s also taken 100 sacks in the past two years. I really just don’t think he’s the upgrade a lot of people think he is.

I’d love the salary, and maybe my perception of Wilson is totally wrong but I really can’t imagine him not going to a place where he didn’t have some assurances he’d start.

Wilson is almost certainly an upgrade over Pickett but not in a "move the needle" sort of way. I'd personally prefer to take a shot with Fields and if not, just run it back with Pickett and bring in Tannehill. And I say that as a guy who's been accused of being a major Pickett hater.

 

[WickedWrister]

Wilson is almost certainly an upgrade over Pickett but not in a "move the needle" sort of way. I'd personally prefer to take a shot with Fields and if not, just run it back with Pickett and bring in Tannehill. And I say that as a guy who's been accused of being a major Pickett hater.

I said it yesterday he’s a shitty middle ground option. Better than Pickett but not even the best FA QB this year.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I said it yesterday he’s a shitty middle ground option. Better than Pickett but not even the best FA QB this year.

Yup- if you want to "move the needle" Kirk Cousins is your guy in FA. He's far and away the best QB on the market.

 

[WickedWrister]

Yup- if you want to "move the needle" Kirk Cousins is your guy in FA. He's far and away the best QB on the market.

Maybe I’m delusional but I still think Fields is in play too. Latest reports make it sound like ATL really wants Kirk.

Either way, Poles did say he wanted to do right by Justin and get this sorted out before the start of free agency, so we could see the trade real soon now.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He’s also taken 100 sacks in the past two years. I really just don’t think he’s the upgrade a lot of people think he is.

I’d love the salary, and maybe my perception of Wilson is totally wrong but I really can’t imagine him not going to a place where he didn’t have some assurances he’d start.

Not sure he will get handed a starting jn anywhere but all he or Mason have to do he is beat out a guy whose theown 13 tss in 2 years. He plays oft script he was still using his legs to get 1st downs last season the rpo slants to DJ and Gp will be on the menu muth will be used as a 3rd down machine

Maybe I’m delusional but I still think Fields is in play too. Latest reports make it sound like ATL really wants Kirk.

Either way, Poles did say he wanted to do right by Justin and get this sorted out before the start of free agency, so we could see the trade real soon now.

Fields at 26 million over the next 2 seasons is not in play. We literally dumped Mitch who had way better numbers and success in Chicago than Fields

 

[Peat]

I said it yesterday he’s a shitty middle ground option. Better than Pickett but not even the best FA QB this year.

But he is the best that doesn't move the needle back the other way by demanding a pay packet that causes messy cap reallocation and/or gaping holes on the roster. Or at least the one with the biggest name.

Maybe I’m delusional but I still think Fields is in play too. Latest reports make it sound like ATL really wants Kirk.

Either way, Poles did say he wanted to do right by Justin and get this sorted out before the start of free agency, so we could see the trade real soon now.

I'm doubting it happens before the start of FA. It seems that the way this plays out is that teams will fight over Cousins and Mayfield, then grudgingly look at Fields and Wilson as back-up plans.

Which only reinforces my suspicion I don't really want either.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Reputation/distant history aside, what makes anyone think Wilson is "competition" for Pickett or a sure-fire starter over Pickett but Tannehill would jut e a backup? What in his recent history suggests Wilson is better than Tannehill or should be thought of differently.

 

[WickedWrister]

Fields at 26 million over the next 2 seasons is not in play. We literally dumped Mitch who had way better numbers and success in Chicago than Fields

If Fields truly has no suitors like is being rumored, maybe he doesn’t even command more than a random day 3 pick. At which point, you don’t have enough invested in him that you have to pick up that 5th year option.

Would just be a 1 year 5m trial run.

Unlikely, but not totally out of the realm of possibility.

 

[WickedWrister]

Reputation/distant history aside, what makes anyone think Wilson is "competition" for Pickett or a sure-fire starter over Pickett but Tannehill would jut e a backup? What in his recent history suggests Wilson is better than Tannehill or should be thought of differently.

This is since Pickett has entered the league.