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xlm34 said:


This may be stretching it a bit, but I feel like this would add to the DJ smoke. Not that Robinson is very good anymore but would they really need DJ/Pickens/Robinson/Austin/Draft pick with how the offense is likely going to be set up?
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Robinson is good vet locker room guy but has nothing to do with DJ

Mr Jiggyfly said:
Can’t see the Chiefs giving up their first… unless the Steelers throw a pick in the deal.

Think his value is a low second, and the Steelers would jump on that I’d imagine.

Diva DJ is gonna be a problem child if he comes back, so I’d even be happy with a third just to be rid of him and extract some value.

Can’t even begin to imagine the hissy fits and teammates he will throw down with if the offense goes south during his contract year.



He was pretty bad and had like 8 ypc.

Not sure why they would want him back, but who knows with this org.
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Yeah got to protect the ego of Kp and give him more excuses he can’t handle feeding multiple wr and te
 
Goalie_Bob said:
They would have to package 84, 120 and 121 to get Pick 64, last pick in the second round.

Just using say 84 and 120 will get them up about 10-12 spots in the 3rd. So to say pick 74. If they throw in a 6th, that should get them to the top 5-6 picks in the 3rd round. Say pick 69.
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Ya, I checked the value charts and it would take about all three.

If they moved down in the draft and picked up an extra third, I wouldn’t mind seeing them move those three picks to get a falling WR/T/C.

Would give them two seconds (original) and one they trade for and a third (one picked up to trade down in first) with no fourth round picks.

So late first (trade down)
Their second
Late second via trade
Third via trade

bigdaddyk88 said:
Robinson is good vet locker room guy but has nothing to do with DJ


Yeah got to protect the ego of Kp and give him more excuses he can’t handle feeding multiple wr and te
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He wasn’t enough of a locker room guy to get DJ and GP not to act like clowns.

Don’t see what value an 8 YPC older vet has to this team.
 
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Mason seemed to have no issues with Dj GP on his watch. I wouldn’t invest anything at wr if they are giving the job to Kp anyway
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Mason seemed to have no issues with Dj GP on his watch. I wouldn’t invest anything at wr if they are giving the job to Kp anyway
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Ya a whopping few games when Tomlin admitted he was desperate and had to open the offense up.

The minute MR or any other QB they bring in struggles the diva circus will turn on him.

They are all about themselves and could give a left ball about the team, that’s been made crystal clear.
 
Mr Jiggyfly said:
Ya a whopping few games when Tomlin admitted he was desperate and had to open the offense up.

The minute MR or any other QB they bring in struggles the diva circus will turn on him.

They are all about themselves and could give a left ball about the team, that’s been made crystal clear.
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all things i could live with IF we can get more holes plugged this year. and if still needed get a qb next year.
 
Last year's offence was an all round circus, building on the top of multiple frustrating years. The majority of guys who get the ball in their hands had legitimate reasons to be very angry.

So I'm not going to throw a lot of blame at any of them, or assume that any of them reached their ceiling (other than Rudolph and Warren). I can believe Robinson is a very valuable guy to have in a locker room even if he wasn't valuable enough to stop the grand sulk. I don't think anyone would have. I can believe he'll get more than 8 YPC in a real offence, just like I believe Pickett has a legit shot at putting up real QB numbers in a real offence, and think Harris isn't just some plodder who'd never get over 4 YPC (which he did anyway) and that Johnson is capable of a hell of a lot more than he's showing.

Believe all of it. Canada was a mess who just got messier and messier.

So I'm not against Robinson if the price can be renegotiated in the Steelers' favour.

At the same time though, the aim should be to build a better future and to acknowledge limitations that showed. Pickett is lucky the QB replacement options aren't lovely (although arguably better than they would be next year) and that he's in a patient org. I'm happy that Khan is indicating that Smith will have a loud voice in Harris' future.

And the WR room needs a deep clean. I know they'll act a bunch differently if the passing game is going better, but it'll still be a house on rotten foundations. I don't blame them for being angry but I don't think the history they've had can be allowed to continue. I don't think a new guy should be coming into a room where that's the standard. It's also a room where, for what Smith seems to have in mind, there's limitations. Robinson blocks like a Smith guy, but has lost explosiveness. DJ is a legit deep threat but he doesn't have the frame of a Smith guy. Pickens is the only guy who ticks all the boxes, but he's got the most to learn.

So... I really hope they don't run it back with DJ/Pickens/ARob as the three leading men.

bigdaddyk88 said:
Mason seemed to have no issues with Dj GP on his watch. I wouldn’t invest anything at wr if they are giving the job to Kp anyway
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A basically ridiculous position because if you have that little faith in Pickett, you're basically building the next QB's WR room a year early, which is how it should be done anyway.
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Yeah got to protect the ego of Kp and give him more excuses he can’t handle feeding multiple wr and te
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Nah, more like gotta protect the teammates and coaches Diva DJ physically assaults since the man child can't control his emotions.

They also need a receiver who blocks and doesn't stand there pouting like a 3 year old while the ball is on the rug.
 
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The fact that so many on this board appear to want Allen Robinson back in 2024 and don't want Diontae Johnson back in 2024 is quite something. I guess at least many of the readers here won't be disappointed with the regressive offense that struggles to score and has no WR who can get open. Seems to be their preference, really. FFS.
 
MrBrightside said:
The fact that so many on this board appear to want Allen Robinson back in 2024 and don't want Diontae Johnson back in 2024 is quite something. I guess at least many of the readers here won't be disappointed with the regressive offense that struggles to score and has no WR who can get open. Seems to be their preference, really. FFS.
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Obviously they're counting on a DJ replacement being drafted. C'mon, you know better than that.
 
Ulf5 said:
Obviously they're counting on a DJ replacement being drafted. C'mon, you know better than that.
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Yes, I've accepted that a team with a bunch of needs - C, OT, LB, S, DL - will use draft capital that should be used on the existing needs to fill a hole they will create by trading Johnson. I'm not looking to rehash the keep-him-or-trade-him argument as, whatever, but the idea that we seem to be basing keeping a completely washed WR like Robinson on whether he can block while looking to jettison the one WR that can actually get open is just bizarre.
 
MrBrightside said:
Yes, I've accepted that a team with a bunch of needs - C, OT, LB, S, DL - will use draft capital that should be used on the existing needs to fill a hole they will create by trading Johnson. I'm not looking to rehash the keep-him-or-trade-him argument as, whatever, but the idea that we seem to be basing keeping a completely washed WR like Robinson on whether he can block while looking to jettison the one WR that can actually get open is just bizarre.
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No one is actually saying that.
 
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Robinson didn't look great to me even taking into consideration the QB play and offense in general. And I say that as a PSU guy. If it was enough of a cut to justify being WR4 or WR5, fine, but I'd be looking for someone else to be WR3 behind Pickens and draft pick.
 
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I guess for me it depends on what the restructure looks like for ARob.

His 2024 base salary of 10m is obviously a no go. It would cost 2m in dead cap to cut him. There is a price point where I'd take him back but it's gotta be pretty low.

I think it's pretty unlikely we sign DJ to an extension/franchise tag him so regardless of whether we trade him or just let him play out 2024, we should be looking at replacements in the draft.

13 WR's went in the first two rounds in 2020 and 2022 and I think we could see even more than that this year. Just seems to be the way the league has been trending and rookie WR contracts have gotten even more valuable.

For the 2024 season I'd still consider WR a secondary need so to spend pick 51 on one you better be confident in the higher grade over a position of greater need.
 
I have mixed feelings about a DJ trade. When the same topic came up last offseason, I was adamantly opposed. That said, I can see some validity to the idea.

I don't think the ARob thing is directly linked to a possible DJ trade other than "if we're going to entertain trading DJ let's not turn the whole thing over." No, he wasn't good. Any better play from him this season would be a bonus, and absent a cut in pay he should be let go.

As for the idea that we're using an asset we need for other holes to fill a hole we created by trading DJ, I mean, yeah but it would be a wash, with the intent/hope being to use an asset acquired in the trade to fill that hole.
 
Double-Shift Lasse said:
I have mixed feelings about a DJ trade. When the same topic came up last offseason, I was adamantly opposed. That said, I can see some validity to the idea.

I don't think the ARob thing is directly linked to a possible DJ trade other than "if we're going to entertain trading DJ let's not turn the whole thing over." No, he wasn't good. Any better play from him this season would be a bonus, and absent a cut in pay he should be let go.

As for the idea that we're using an asset we need for other holes to fill a hole we created by trading DJ, I mean, yeah but it would be a wash, with the intent/hope being to use an asset acquired in the trade to fill that hole.
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If they turned over their whole ILB room last year, and secondary bar Fitzpatrick and Wallace, I dunno that they'd be scared to do the same except for keeping Pickens.

Who is incidentally a big part of why I've gone from being anti-DJ trade to pro-DJ trade in the last year. I'm up for feeding Pickens more than DJ at this point; I'm up for giving Pickens a better leader than DJ too.
 
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Peat said:
If they turned over their whole ILB room last year, and secondary bar Fitzpatrick and Wallace, I dunno that they'd be scared to do the same except for keeping Pickens.

Who is incidentally a big part of why I've gone from being anti-DJ trade to pro-DJ trade in the last year. I'm up for feeding Pickens more than DJ at this point; I'm up for giving Pickens a better leader than DJ too.
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Most teams feed 2 wr and a te. If you don’t have a proven number 2 then teams will just double GP. Gp had 117 targets he isn’t a good route runner. How many more targets do you think he will get. He was just behind DK metcalf. If they line him in the slot more like Lamb he might get 130
 


The Steelers have issues getting open downfield (and the QB play is hot garbage). Ditching the one experienced guy who actually gets open seems problematic to me, but hey, at least Robinson can block.
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Most teams feed 2 wr and a te. If you don’t have a proven number 2 then teams will just double GP. Gp had 117 targets he isn’t a good route runner. How many more targets do you think he will get. He was just behind DK metcalf. If they line him in the slot more like Lamb he might get 130
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As pointed out before, trading DJ allows for using his money and that pick to replace him, which increases depth and gives good odds of finding a worthy WR2. Who doesn't need to be a fantastic WR2 if you give one extra target each to Pickens and Muth, which would be appropriate for their talent.

It should also be noted that some of Pickens' best games last season came with Johnson and Muth both injured and Robinson and Heyward standing in for them. Nobody wants that but these guys aren't essential to Pickens' production.
 
Peat said:
If they turned over their whole ILB room last year, and secondary bar Fitzpatrick and Wallace, I dunno that they'd be scared to do the same except for keeping Pickens.

Who is incidentally a big part of why I've gone from being anti-DJ trade to pro-DJ trade in the last year. I'm up for feeding Pickens more than DJ at this point; I'm up for giving Pickens a better leader than DJ too.
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Indeed I was just positing that as a possible reason they might look to bring Robinson back.
 
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Peat said:
As pointed out before, trading DJ allows for using his money and that pick to replace him, which increases depth and gives good odds of finding a worthy WR2. Who doesn't need to be a fantastic WR2 if you give one extra target each to Pickens and Muth, which would be appropriate for their talent.

It should also be noted that some of Pickens' best games last season came with Johnson and Muth both injured and Robinson and Heyward standing in for them. Nobody wants that but these guys aren't essential to Pickens' production.
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Last season GP was targeted 117 times DJ 94 and Pat 54. The issue is Robinson was eating 52 targets. Heyward got 36 and CA3 32. If you take Robinson 52 away and give Muth Heyward and Ca3 14 more each you can give GP the remaining 10 from Robinson. Just treat Muth as wr 3
 
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