OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Congrats to KC, but Kelce was the real winner winning Swift

[Josey Wales]

They are trading him in part to save their jobs a new rookie qb resets the time clock instead of picking up the 5th year option which had to be done right away after the draft. They can take nappers lsu at 9 Williams at 1 and then spend in fa there in a winnable division

Williams is a Colossal Bust Breathing

 

[TimmyD]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA & that is why Bears are trading him

I mean they are trading him because Carolina was dumb enough to give up a pick that ended up being #1 overall and they have a chance at drafting a guy who everyone believes will be miles above both Fielda and Pickett… if Chicago didn’t have Carolina’s pick Fields wouldn’t be going anywhere. Every team in the NFL outside of like 7 of them would be doing the same thing as Chicago if they lucked into that situation.

 

[xlm34]

the biggest thing that mr did wasn't a stat thing, he got the team to rally around him. no small feat. have any of the other qb's done that?

Pickett down the stretch in 2022 I’d say.

Players in the NFL are fickle. They liked Mason Rudolph when things were going well but what happens when he turns back into Mason Rudolph? Likewise, maybe they had doubts about Pickett last year but the second he starts playing well they’ll be talking about how Pickett’s always been their guy or whatever.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Bears had a top five D after the Sweat trade, the best rushing D in the league, Moore had the best season of his career, Kmet had his best season and was a top ten tight end, and Bears had a top rushing attack led by Fields.

Yet Fields still went 5-8. It’s not because there is a dearth of talent on O or the D was shitty.

There’s a reason he keeps losing games, but for whatever reasons some people don’t want to hear it.

I firmly understand Fields' limitations. But as you said, Moore, Kmet had their best seasons and yet that isn't because of FIelds? Cmon man.

I get the losing record and I agree he has some direct responsibility for the losses. But he is not 100% the reason. Just as Kenny is not anywhere near 100% the reason that the Steelers win games.

For me, I think Fields would be a more enjoyable player to watch and yes they may lose more game because of him. And that may be frustrating, but not any where near as frustrating as watching Kenny play scared and try not to make any mistakes while throwing up fades to Pickens and avoiding the middle of the field.

For example, you stated in an earlier post that his CIN game was acceptable and I firmly do not find it acceptable. 24-33, 278 yards, 72.7% completion percentage, 8.4 YPA. All very good to great. But I cannot and will not accept him not throwing any TDs. It is a massive issue.

Someone mentioned early about what I would accept as success for Pickett. I want to see TDs and I don't care if it means more interceptions. If he throws 25 TDs and 15 INTs, I would be over the moon. That would show progress to me.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

the biggest thing that mr did wasn't a stat thing, he got the team to rally around him. no small feat. have any of the other qb's done that?

KP had guys rallying around him toward the end of his rookie season.

Things will be interesting if he wins the starting job though, given Johnson openly rooting for MR.

I have no idea if KP is a guy who will hold a grudge, but it wouldn't be surprising if he finds a different target as a FU to DJ.

Then DJ pouts and sucker punches KP.

KP goes on IR for the rest of the season, and we have to wait another year to see if he's the guy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I firmly understand Fields' limitations. But as you said, Moore, Kmet had their best seasons and yet that isn't because of FIelds? Cmon man.

I get the losing record and I agree he has some direct responsibility for the losses. But he is not 100% the reason. Just as Kenny is not anywhere near 100% the reason that the Steelers win games.

For me, I think Fields would be a more enjoyable player to watch and yes they may lose more game because of him. And that may be frustrating, but not any where near as frustrating as watching Kenny play scared and try not to make any mistakes while throwing up fades to Pickens and avoiding the middle of the field.

For example, you stated in an earlier post that his CIN game was expectable and I firmly do not find it acceptable. 24-33, 278 yards, 72.7% completion percentage, 8.4 YPA. All very good to great. But I cannot and will not accept him not throwing any TDs. It is a massive issue.

Someone mentioned early about what I would accept as success for Pickett. I want to see TDs and I don't care if it means more interceptions. If he throws 25 TDs and 15 INTs, I would be over the moon. That would show progress to me.

I didn't take their successful seasons away from Fields, so not sure why you are bringing that up.

As I said before, if he has all this talent around him and a top D, why is he still losing?

If you watched him play the answer isn't that difficult, but I know not everyone has, they just want different.

Tomlin turned MR into Captain Checkdown and KP into Reek, so what did you think he would do with a guy who avg almost a turnover a game?

"Just sling it Justin!"

C'mon back at you.

As for the KP Cincy game, it's pretty well known DJ dropped a TD.

If KP only threw 18-20 TDs, but he keeps winning, I don't really care about the TD numbers.

I honestly only care if he can get them into the playoffs and win, and by that I mean he's one of the big reasons they get in.

He doesn't have to be a fantasy geek's dream for me to be happy with how he plays.

Roth only broke 25 TDs once in his first five years and had only 17 TD during both of his SB winning seasons, so it's not really about some stat line for me.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[WickedWrister]

Full breakdown: https://nflpa.com/pittsburgh-steelers-report-card-2024

TLDR: Players love Tomlin but think Rooney is cheap.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Chiefs making moves

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39615740/source-chiefs-release-marquez-valdes-scantling-save-12m

 

[MrBrightside]

Pretty damning stuff about how the organization is viewed by players. I’ll admit to being surprised.

 

[Peat]

I get the losing record and I agree he has some direct responsibility for the losses. But he is not 100% the reason. Just as Kenny is not anywhere near 100% the reason that the Steelers win games.

Re this in particular -

In a lot of ways I believe its bull to pay attention to individuals' W-L stat in team sports. There's so many other factors involved.

Yet there is one aspect in which it very much interests me, at least in some sports, and that's the notion that many games end close, giving the key players a huge say in how it goes down.

We know that Pickett has been good in these situations - aberrantly good given the rest of his stats.

Here's some of Fields 4th quarter stats

92 attempts, 51.1 completion percentage, 3 TDs, 6 Ints, 27% 1D percentage, 90 yards lost to sacks.

Those stats get worse if it's within 7. Justin Fields didn't throw a single TD last season with the Bears within 7.

While last year was really bad for him, he was bad at it the year before too. 61 passer rating dropping to 51 when within 7 in his second year, It was only in his first year he saw some success at it with a 69 pass rating in general, rising to 106 in his 18 attempts when within 7. Small sample that got figured out from the looks of it.

Fields has 3 4th quarter comeback/game winning drives (2 from his first year). I think 10 games lost they've been within a score on?

I can't help but think that Fields probably deserves about as much of the blame as is possible to give to a QB for not winning a tight game.

I get being bored rigid by the Steelers' offensive play and wanting to see a more entertaining guy. I dunno if enabling an entertaining young guy is something Tomlin is willing to do right now, but I get looking at a guy who's played aggressive football and yearning for him. But in terms of actually winning games? Fields would have to radically improve.

And if he didn't, then he's just another way of getting really frustrated and wishing that bum would clear out already.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Shouldn’t a family or day care room be automatic especially on game days for players.

 

[Peat]

The only thing that changed on the NFLPA report card from last season to this is some of the Ds turned to Fs, judging from a quick look at reporting. I certainly remember the day care thing being brought up last time around.

 

[xlm34]

Rooney being cheap isn’t exactly the most well kept secret in the world.

 

[WickedWrister]

I didn't take their successful seasons away from Fields, so not sure why you are bringing that up.

As I said before, if he has all this talent around him and a top D, why is he still losing?

If you watched him play the answer isn't that difficult, but I know not everyone has, they just want different.

Tomlin turned MR into Captain Checkdown and KP into Reek, so what did you think he would do with a guy who avg almost a turnover a game?

"Just sling it Justin!"

C'mon back at you.

As for the KP Cincy game, it's pretty well known DJ dropped a TD.

If KP only threw 18-20 TDs, but he keeps winning, I don't really care about the TD numbers.

I honestly only care if he can get them into the playoffs and win, and by that I mean he's one of the big reasons they get in.

He doesn't have to be a fantasy geek's dream for me to be happy with how he plays.

Roth only broke 25 TDs once in his first five years and had only 17 TD during both of his SB winning seasons, so it's not really about some stat line for me.

Just to put 25 passing TD’s into perspective, Kenny would need to attempt 1,400 passes next year at his current pace to achieve that total.

 

[MrBrightside]

Just to put 25 passing TD’s into perspective, Kenny would need to attempt 1,400 passes next year at his current pace to achieve that total.

I'm told that only 4th quarter stats count. Catch up.

 

[WickedWrister]

Rooney being cheap isn’t exactly the most well kept secret in the world.

Imagine going from this to Pitt lol

 

[xlm34]

Re this in particular -

In a lot of ways I believe its bull to pay attention to individuals' W-L stat in team sports. There's so many other factors involved.

Yet there is one aspect in which it very much interests me, at least in some sports, and that's the notion that many games end close, giving the key players a huge say in how it goes down.

We know that Pickett has been good in these situations - aberrantly good given the rest of his stats.

Here's some of Fields 4th quarter stats

92 attempts, 51.1 completion percentage, 3 TDs, 6 Ints, 27% 1D percentage, 90 yards lost to sacks.

Those stats get worse if it's within 7. Justin Fields didn't throw a single TD last season with the Bears within 7.

While last year was really bad for him, he was bad at it the year before too. 61 passer rating dropping to 51 when within 7 in his second year, It was only in his first year he saw some success at it with a 69 pass rating in general, rising to 106 in his 18 attempts when within 7. Small sample that got figured out from the looks of it.

Fields has 3 4th quarter comeback/game winning drives (2 from his first year). I think 10 games lost they've been within a score on?

I can't help but think that Fields probably deserves about as much of the blame as is possible to give to a QB for not winning a tight game.

I get being bored rigid by the Steelers' offensive play and wanting to see a more entertaining guy. I dunno if enabling an entertaining young guy is something Tomlin is willing to do right now, but I get looking at a guy who's played aggressive football and yearning for him. But in terms of actually winning games? Fields would have to radically improve.

And if he didn't, then he's just another way of getting really frustrated and wishing that bum would clear out already.

So we go Fields quarter 1-3 and then throw Pickett in for the 4th?

 

[TimmyD]

KP had guys rallying around him toward the end of his rookie season.

Things will be interesting if he wins the starting job though, given Johnson openly rooting for MR.

I have no idea if KP is a guy who will hold a grudge, but it wouldn't be surprising if he finds a different target as a FU to DJ.

Then DJ pouts and sucker punches KP.

KP goes on IR for the rest of the season, and we have to wait another year to see if he's the guy.

“If he wins the starting job.” You do realize there isn’t actually going to be a QB competition right?

 

[Peat]

Rooney being cheap isn’t exactly the most well kept secret in the world.

Yeah. Although I believe it's not just that, but also having small facilities which makes it hard to expand?

So we go Fields quarter 1-3 and then throw Pickett in for the 4th?

Sounds like a masterplan.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

“If he wins the starting job.” You do realize there isn’t actually going to be a QB competition right?

Depends on what contract they offer Mason or who they bring in. Willson would be potential starter but tanahil is most likely a backup

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Just to put 25 passing TD’s into perspective, Kenny would need to attempt 1,400 passes next year at his current pace to achieve that total.

I just don’t care about stats TBTH.

It’s great he could win some fantasy geek his championship, but if he throws 30TDs and can’t win a playoff game, that’s not getting this franchise anywhere.

Is he leading, helping them win games, and can he win under the pressure of the playoffs?

That’s what ultimately matters.

“If he wins the starting job.” You do realize there isn’t actually going to be a QB competition right?

Tomlin is a straight shooter - how dare you!

You are just jealous Steelers kept him and he didn’t go to SD.

 

[Peat]

Tbf Tomlin never said there'd be a QB competition this coming year. He said there'd be competition, but he followed that up by saying there's always competition which kind of changes the tenor of it just a tad. People took that and ran with it out of hope or a desire to produce a juicier story. Or poor comprehension.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I wonder if it's possible for a team to have success despite being near the bottom of this one very particular report?

 

[WickedWrister]

I just don’t care about stats TBTH.

It’s great he could win some fantasy geek his championship, but if he throws 30TDs and can’t win a playoff game, that’s not getting this franchise anywhere.

Is he leading, helping them win games, and can he win under the pressure of the playoffs?

That’s what ultimately matters.

Stats are just production. If you don't care about that, its like saying you don't care about someones job performance.

I agree there are other important factors besides just passing yards and td's, but any way you slice it I just don't think it's been good enough. Our offense is scoring 16.9 PPG with Kenny Pickett at QB. That would be bottom 5 this year and worst in the league last year. So no, I don't think he's contributing to the team winning games that much.

We can't answer the playoff part because he got benched for Mason Rudolph.