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That looks like a Tacoma and a Ridgeline had a baby.
The current Hilux is closer in size to a 2nd gen Tacoma but the big selling point are the diesel options for them.

The new 4th Gen Tacoma is about the same size as a 2nd Gen Tundra.
 
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Curious what the truck guys here think of Cybertruck.



What’s funny is I was invited to configure one. I have two issues:

1. Price. At reveal the showed at 50k msrp for a awd truck with 400 mi of range. My invite price is 96k for a 300mi range.
2. The manual is out and since it’s stainless steel they suggest you have to wash it constantly to keep it from looking like shit. Essentially add 5k for a full wrap out the door


There are in depth videos on the features and it does look cool. Teslas software are typically the best in the industry. And a home battery backup option is tempting. But with new electric truck Options with the Tesla charger coming next year….it doesn’t make sense to pay a super premium here. Especially with a polarizing design that will hurt any resale value. But basically give it to me at the announced specs/close to announced pricing, It’d be a consideration. But as is, it’s a gigantic price gouge for people who need the latest thing immediately
 

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Well, we shall be looking for another place this summer. This is the second straight winter where there has been an issue with snow removal.

When a place that is known for having a lot of snow cannot deal with a lot of snow . . . we've got a problem.

These winters will be what drives me out of Buffalo entirely. My back is screwed up. I can't shovel. I can't take this anymore.
 
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Well, we shall be looking for another place this summer. This is the second straight winter where there has been an issue with snow removal.

When a place that is known for having a lot of snow cannot deal with a lot of snow . . . we've got a problem.

These winters will be what drives me out of Buffalo entirely. My back is screwed up. I can't shovel. I can't take this anymore.

That sucks Burg.
 

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Well, we shall be looking for another place this summer. This is the second straight winter where there has been an issue with snow removal.

When a place that is known for having a lot of snow cannot deal with a lot of snow . . . we've got a problem.

These winters will be what drives me out of Buffalo entirely. My back is screwed up. I can't shovel. I can't take this anymore.

Sorry to hear it dude, but don’t blame ya one bit. Where you thinking of moving to?

New job is working out alright. I walk around and talk to interesting people. Kinda in crunch time in this trial period, but I know I’ll make it and then.. the future is bright.

I stay in the US, watch my lil niece grow up, actually earn good money for my abilities. Idk man- don’t know how to correlate the shit of a Buffalo winter storm with my own feelings of finally finding job satisfaction, but I am so pumped to finally find something I love doing.

PS- it’s supposed to pour buckets this weekend here in NorCal, so I’m walking through that shit, knocking doors. 40 degree rain, let’s go, I will mangle pg&e’s bitch-ass rain or shine. Is where we’re at, mentally.
 
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For those of you that enjoy reading Fantasy books, Humble Bundle is doing a charity drive featuring Terry Pratchett's entire 38 book Discworld series.

Get all 38 books for (minimum donation) of $18. Or get smaller bundles for smaller donations.

Discover Sir Terry Pratchett's Discworld

Some caveats.... it's U.S. only. And these are designed for the Kobo reader (online or downloadable apps). So you can't use a Kindle app to read these, as far as I know.

But $18 for the entire Discworld series? With at least part of it going to charity?

Yeah. I jumped on that.

Info on the Charity
That’s so cool. I have recently been filling the gaps in my Discworld collection. I think I still need four or five. I know the first one I’m missing in the series is Thief of Time, then random ones after that. The prize in the collection is my signed hardcover of Nightwatch ❤️ I’ve just started re-reading all the Watch books. I finished Feet of Clay a couple of days ago.
 

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Sorry to hear it dude, but don’t blame ya one bit. Where you thinking of moving to?

New job is working out alright. I walk around and talk to interesting people. Kinda in crunch time in this trial period, but I know I’ll make it and then.. the future is bright.

I stay in the US, watch my lil niece grow up, actually earn good money for my abilities. Idk man- don’t know how to correlate the shit of a Buffalo winter storm with my own feelings of finally finding job satisfaction, but I am so pumped to finally find something I love doing.

PS- it’s supposed to pour buckets this weekend here in NorCal, so I’m walking through that shit, knocking doors. 40 degree rain, let’s go, I will mangle pg&e’s bitch-ass rain or shine. Is where we’re at, mentally.
Jealous a bit. If I could do it all over again, Norcal would have been a great place to lay down some roots.
 

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I am not a truck guy.

But, if I were to get one, I would probably get a Toyota Tacoma and the Cybertruck would not even be a consideration for me.


We actually own a Tacoma. Good, reliable truck. My only complaint is the 4-cyl is quite gutless. Can't really go wrong with Toyota if sticking with ICE vehicles.

CT is definitely not for everyone. It's a radical departure from the look and design expected in a pickup truck.

Looks dumb AF and it's made by a guy who is dumb AF. Hardest of passes.

Advice to the legion of irrational Musk haters - avoid objectively nonsensical statements.

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Ugly as shit. It also doesn’t have built in crumple zones like every single vehicle does. Did you see that story where one got in an accident on a back road in California? A guy driving a car hit an embankment and crossed the road into the path of a Cybertruck. His car got totalled, the truck had barely a scratch, but the Cybertruck driver was the only one who was injured. Because he took the force of the crash instead of the Cybertruck.

My first thought was "hideous monstrosity". I've grown to appreciate it over time. Chacun a son gout.

There appear to be safety concerns about the rigidity of the CT body. NHTSA has not tested it, and might never do so, preferring to focus its testing on high-volume models. Otoh, the Tesla fleet - S, X, 3, Y - has received 5-star ratings from NHTSA in all categories tested, so Tesla's existing safety record is exemplary.

The hysterical, anti-Tesla media covered that collision with expected enthusiasm. Apparently the CT driver sustained a minor injury that didn't require medical attention. The CT being the focus of the story, rather than the nut-job driver of the other vehicle who hit the ditch, returned to the road, crossed into the oncoming lane, and was the sole cause of the collision with the CT, speaks volumes about the contemporary state of journalism.

Teslas are mostly just status symbols for people. Might as well get the Ford Maverick or Hyundai Santa Cruz, or a Rivian and save money upfront if you dont want a real truck.

Patently false. The Model Y was the best-selling vehicle in Europe in 2023. The Model Y and 3 ranked 5th and 12th respectively in America, the Y finishing only behind the Rav4 and the Big 3's flagship pickup models.

The average new car vehicle price is close to $50K. The bread-and-butter Model Y Long-Range starts at $38K.

The CT AWD model is $74K. I'm not buying one, but that's in the ballpark with similarly equipped competitors' offerings.



Elon has said "the future should look like the future". The CT's design was apparently inspired by Blade Runner, Halo, and a Lotus Esprit from one of the Bond movies. Ya, he's a nerd.

What’s funny is I was invited to configure one. I have two issues:

1. Price. At reveal the showed at 50k msrp for a awd truck with 400 mi of range. My invite price is 96k for a 300mi range.
2. The manual is out and since it’s stainless steel they suggest you have to wash it constantly to keep it from looking like shit. Essentially add 5k for a full wrap out the door


There are in depth videos on the features and it does look cool. Teslas software are typically the best in the industry. And a home battery backup option is tempting. But with new electric truck Options with the Tesla charger coming next year….it doesn’t make sense to pay a super premium here. Especially with a polarizing design that will hurt any resale value. But basically give it to me at the announced specs/close to announced pricing, It’d be a consideration. But as is, it’s a gigantic price gouge for people who need the latest thing immediately

Thanks, Doak. Just to clarify, had you already made a deposit on one? Not sure what you mean by "was invited to configure".

So Elon over-promised and under-delivered? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! To maintain appearance, just stock up on Bar Keeper's Friend!

I'll be very interested to see the general reaction to CT, once they start to be spotted occasionally on the street. I suspect there is a large cohort who have no idea it even exists. Sales figures after all the most committed fanboys have purchased will be informative. Anything between total flop and roaring success is possible.

Just get a Ford Ranger :)

Don't need or want a truck. I own a Model Y and am a Tesla shareholder. Was just interested in what my HF Sabres bros had to say about CT now that it's actually being delivered.
 

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We actually own a Tacoma. Good, reliable truck. My only complaint is the 4-cyl is quite gutless. Can't really go wrong with Toyota if sticking with ICE vehicles.

CT is definitely not for everyone. It's a radical departure from the look and design expected in a pickup truck.



Advice to the legion of irrational Musk haters - avoid objectively nonsensical statements.

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My first thought was "hideous monstrosity". I've grown to appreciate it over time. Chacun a son gout.

There appear to be safety concerns about the rigidity of the CT body. NHTSA has not tested it, and might never do so, preferring to focus its testing on high-volume models. Otoh, the Tesla fleet - S, X, 3, Y - has received 5-star ratings from NHTSA in all categories tested, so Tesla's existing safety record is exemplary.

The hysterical, anti-Tesla media covered that collision with expected enthusiasm. Apparently the CT driver sustained a minor injury that didn't require medical attention. The CT being the focus of the story, rather than the nut-job driver of the other vehicle who hit the ditch, returned to the road, crossed into the oncoming lane, and was the sole cause of the collision with the CT, speaks volumes about the contemporary state of journalism.



Patently false. The Model Y was the best-selling vehicle in Europe in 2023. The Model Y and 3 ranked 5th and 12th respectively in America, the Y finishing only behind the Rav4 and the Big 3's flagship pickup models.

The average new car vehicle price is close to $50K. The bread-and-butter Model Y Long-Range starts at $38K.

The CT AWD model is $74K. I'm not buying one, but that's in the ballpark with similarly equipped competitors' offerings.



Elon has said "the future should look like the future". The CT's design was apparently inspired by Blade Runner, Halo, and a Lotus Esprit from one of the Bond movies. Ya, he's a nerd.



Thanks, Doak. Just to clarify, had you already made a deposit on one? Not sure what you mean by "was invited to configure".

So Elon over-promised and under-delivered? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! To maintain appearance, just stock up on Bar Keeper's Friend!

I'll be very interested to see the general reaction to CT, once they start to be spotted occasionally on the street. I suspect there is a large cohort who have no idea it even exists. Sales figures after all the most committed fanboys have purchased will be informative. Anything between total flop and roaring success is possible.



Don't need or want a truck. I own a Model Y and am a Tesla shareholder. Was just interested in what my HF Sabres bros had to say about CT now that it's actually being delivered.

I generally like the look of Tesla’s, except for the Cybertruck. To me it looks as dumb as the Jeep truck. And you know that if Elon didn’t have a bunch of fanboys, not one person would say it’s a good thing.
 

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It looks like it was designed by someone who watched too much 1970's SciFi. It just needs the bolt on faux missile pods:

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How did I let Chain slip through the cracks?

Yup, designed by sci-fi, gaming nerds, for sci-fi gaming nerds. Whether or not that's a large enough market to sustain production is open to question.

I doubt Tesla produces even 50K CTs in 2024. 2023 sales for the competition - F150 751, Silverado 543, Ram 445. They only need a fraction of that market to succeed.
 

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I generally like the look of Tesla’s, except for the Cybertruck. To me it looks as dumb as the Jeep truck. And you know that if Elon didn’t have a bunch of fanboys, not one person would say it’s a good thing.
I suspect a lot of people have gone through an evolution of ... wtf is that? | okay, it's growing on me | take my money. I'm at Stage 2, but have no need for one.

Any buzz among your construction/contractor acquaintances about it? CT really needs to break into the "real-use" market to be successful.

And fanboys, ya, he's got plenty. Probably more than enough to exhaust production, at least initially.
 

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How did I let Chain slip through the cracks?

Yup, designed by sci-fi, gaming nerds, for sci-fi gaming nerds. Whether or not that's a large enough market to sustain production is open to question.

I doubt Tesla produces even 50K CTs in 2024. 2023 sales for the competition - F150 751, Silverado 543, Ram 445. They only need a fraction of that market to succeed.

I can't help but see "Damnation Alley" when I look at it. I was on the Tesla mailing list prior to them even releasing the Roadster back in '08. I don't like the size of US manufactured trucks, the loopholes that allow SUVs and crossovers to be ruled light trucks for both CAFE and safety standards and that college students can use off the shelf parts to get 80 MPG out of things like BMW SUVs. And yes, I don't like how the CT looks. I have plenty of cantankerousness for a lot of things but if you think I'm just somehow anti-Musk and slamming on Tesla, no. I think he's a moron for other reasons and don't have much issue with the auto company he partially owns. The people I know who work in logging, forestry, and related wildland management think the initial design needs work, but that's not from anything other than having a beverage and things coming up in conversation over the last couple years.
 

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I suspect a lot of people have gone through an evolution of ... wtf is that? | okay, it's growing on me | take my money. I'm at Stage 2, but have no need for one.

Any buzz among your construction/contractor acquaintances about it? CT really needs to break into the "real-use" market to be successful.

And fanboys, ya, he's got plenty. Probably more than enough to exhaust production, at least initially.
Tesla have no value to me because I don't drive enough to extract the value of it. I'm about to hit 4500 miles in my Taco and I've owned it for almost 19 months, and I wouldn't trust a CT to go the places the Taco can take me to and from.
 

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I can't help but see "Damnation Alley" when I look at it. I was on the Tesla mailing list prior to them even releasing the Roadster back in '08. I don't like the size of US manufactured trucks, the loopholes that allow SUVs and crossovers to be ruled light trucks for both CAFE and safety standards and that college students can use off the shelf parts to get 80 MPG out of things like BMW SUVs. And yes, I don't like how the CT looks. I have plenty of cantankerousness for a lot of things but if you think I'm just somehow anti-Musk and slamming on Tesla, no. I think he's a moron for other reasons and don't have much issue with the auto company he partially owns. The people I know who work in logging, forestry, and related wildland management think the initial design needs work, but that's not from anything other than having a beverage and things coming up in conversation over the last couple years.
I just meant that I had missed your post when composing my multi-quote tome. Wasn't singling yours out for "special attention".
 
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World would be better off without Twitter, so he has it heading in the right direction.

Eh, there was an era when there were some interesting communities of individuals sharing actual data on that platform. A bunch of industry and policy specific things are still putting content up - a lot of it is pretty funny. It still has uses for the rapid-fire nature of sports reporting. But the lack of filter and general abandonment of their TOS has made it a lot more like 4chan and no one needed that.
 
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Eh, there was an era when there were some interesting communities of individuals sharing actual data on that platform. A bunch of industry and policy specific things are still putting content up - a lot of it is pretty funny. It still has uses for the rapid-fire nature of sports reporting. But the lack of filter and general abandonment of their TOS has made it a lot more like 4chan and no one needed that.
Twitter doesn't have the same power of weaponized autism that 4chan has though.
 

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I suspect a lot of people have gone through an evolution of ... wtf is that? | okay, it's growing on me | take my money. I'm at Stage 2, but have no need for one.

Any buzz among your construction/contractor acquaintances about it? CT really needs to break into the "real-use" market to be successful.

And fanboys, ya, he's got plenty. Probably more than enough to exhaust production, at least initially.

Nobody I know has even talked about it. Then again, where I live, there’s only a couple of electric charging stations (I’m assuming the CT is electric), and it gets extremely cold here in winter. Any Teslas I see is during the summer, so it’s safe to assume they’re tourists or they have a secondary winter vehicle.

To be honest most contractors I know have vans, because they hold more and keep tools out of the weather. It’s the employees of the contractors that have trucks, because they either also do winter plowing and/or go mudding. We get on average about 4+ feet of snow a winter here, but it’s more of a consistent small amount than “here’s 2 feet all at once” like Buffalo gets. Here it’s more of 4 inches of snow every night for a week, three days off, then repeat.

So thankfully the job I’m currently doing it’s just down the hall from me, especially given the temperatures over the past week. No driving necessary.
 
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