Tribute The Official "Fire Tortorella" Thread

[deadhead]

How would he have obtained a top 6 center? What top 6 centers moved? Have to give to get.

Are you 100% sure the Flyers didn't try to get a top 6 center and top pair dman?

Always excuses. They battled when the Caps took the foot off the gas.


Because they are an incompetent organization. After years of futility the still have gaping holes. But hey the future looks good right?

Who is they? Briere has been running things for less than 2 years.
He added a center in Poehling, dumped one in Hayes.
First draft took Barkey (now a LW), Ceirnak and Knuble
Second draft took Luchanko, Berglund (now in SHL) and Ruohonen
Third draft? Probably take 2-3 more center candidates.

Centers are hard to find. (Two year ES average)
Boston: Lindholm (35), Zacha (46), Coyle (42)
Carolina: Aho (52), Kotkaniemi (33), Staal (29)
Colorado: MacKinnon (85), Mittelstadt (45), Kelly (15)
Dallas: Hintz (47), Duchene (46), Steel (23)
Edmonton: McDavid (81), Draistail (65), Henrique (32)
Florida: Barkov (48), Lundell (28), Bennett (30)
NJ: Nico (53), Hughes (56), Haula (31)
NYR: Trocheck (50), Zibanejad (43), Chytil (31)
TB: Point (62), Cirelli (31), Paul (30)
Toronto: Matthews (67), Domi (41), Tavares (43)
Vancouver: Miller (52), Pettersson (62), Bleuger (20)
Vegas: Eichel (48), Hertl (53), Schwindt
Winnipeg: Schiefele (50), Namestnikov (27), Lowry (30)

PHL: Frost (36), Couts (20), Laughton (27), Cates (22), Poehling (17)

 

[bennysflyers16]

They are barely 2nd line centers on the Flyers.

I won't debate with people that think Frost and Couts are not MILES better than Cates, Laughton and Poheling.

 

[BiggE]

Meh. It's 7 games.

They don't have the centers to build stable lines, each is flawed in a way that makes it tough to build lines.

Frost played with Tippett, TK, Atkinson and Farabee last season, the other lines, except for Poehling/Hathaway were just as jumbled.

They were 26th in ES goals last year, 20th in expected ES goals.
[Crazy as it seems, they had more xGF than Boston and Vegas, but veterans finish]
It's not like a good offensive team has gotten off to a bad start.

You can't both want them not to trade assets for veterans and not want them to suck.
Rebuilding is ugly.
Play a lot of young players, make a lot of mistakes.

Just a moment ago you said
“This year they actually have a full roster of forwards”

Now you say “they don’t have the centers to build stable lines”

Things like this are why no one takes you seriously. You are an apologist for the organization, and you won’t criticize Torts until he is gone. Just as you didn’t criticize Fletcher and AV and all the other previous failures until they were gone.

 

[Cody Webster]

Just a moment ago you said
“This year they actually have a full roster of forwards”

Now you say “they don’t have the centers to build stable lines”

Things like this are why no one takes you seriously. You are an apologist for the organization, and you won’t criticize Torts until he is gone. Just as you didn’t criticize Fletcher and AV and all the other previous failures until they were gone.

These posts are my favorite

 

[deadhead]

Just a moment ago you said
“This year they actually have a full roster of forwards”

Now you say “they don’t have the centers to build stable lines”

Things like this are why no one takes you seriously. You are an apologist for the organization, and you won’t criticize Torts until he is gone. Just as you didn’t criticize Fletcher and AV and all the other previous failures until they were gone.

They do have a full stable of forwards. They're not playing guys like Leier, Weal, Lehtera, VdV etc.
The problem is they don't have the right mix of forwards.

At some point Briere may trade a RW for a center or LW.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Russ Joy letting it loose on Torts

 

[mr figgles]

Misfit toys.

TK and Michkov prefer the right side, Brink is a RW as well as Hathaway.
Foerster and Tippett are RWs playing LW.
Farabee is in a bad funk.
Cates, Laughton and maybe Couts are probably better at LW than center.
Luchanko should really be in the CHL.

So you have one, maybe two, legitimate top 9 centers, 6 RWs and 1 LW, with 2 LWs alternating at center.

And you wonder why it's a mess?

Not signing Tippett and Konecny to 8-year deals, and not giving Hathaway an extension would have helped with the glut of RWers. This team creates its own problems.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Who is they? Briere has been running things for less than 2 years.
He added a center in Poehling, dumped one in Hayes.
First draft took Barkey (now a LW), Ceirnak and Knuble
Second draft took Luchanko, Berglund (now in SHL) and Ruohonen
Third draft? Probably take 2-3 more center candidates.

Centers are hard to find. (Two year ES average)
Boston: Lindholm (35), Zacha (46), Coyle (42)
Carolina: Aho (52), Kotkaniemi (33), Staal (29)
Colorado: MacKinnon (85), Mittelstadt (45), Kelly (15)
Dallas: Hintz (47), Duchene (46), Steel (23)
Edmonton: McDavid (81), Draistail (65), Henrique (32)
Florida: Barkov (48), Lundell (28), Bennett (30)
NJ: Nico (53), Hughes (56), Haula (31)
NYR: Trocheck (50), Zibanejad (43), Chytil (31)
TB: Point (62), Cirelli (31), Paul (30)
Toronto: Matthews (67), Domi (41), Tavares (43)
Vancouver: Miller (52), Pettersson (62), Bleuger (20)
Vegas: Eichel (48), Hertl (53), Schwindt
Winnipeg: Schiefele (50), Namestnikov (27), Lowry (30)

PHL: Frost (36), Couts (20), Laughton (27), Cates (22), Poehling (17)

They are the Philadelphia Flyers.

You say centers are hard to find yet on the other side of your mouth you say the Flyers didn't acquire any. Which you say means that shows they are rebuilding. Laughable.

Long post that says nothing.

I won't debate with people that think Frost and Couts are not MILES better than Cates, Laughton and Poheling.

Never said nor implied that. Not sure how you draw that conclusion from the post I responded to.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Some of the takes here are downright silly.

Notice how calm Torts is in his pressers, if he really thought this was a PO caliber team he'd be smokin'! Instead he's showing the patience of Job. He knows this is a long-term process.

The line shuffling is more about the future, taking notes on who looks comfortable with whom and in what role.
Last season was just trying to patch together two decent lines.
This year they actually have a full roster of forwards, but still putting the jigsaw puzzle together.

Every word of this is nonsense. He sucks ass. The only thing "long-term" about this is all the weaknesses he's been displaying for 20 years coming to a head, again, as always.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They do have a full stable of forwards. They're not playing guys like Leier, Weal, Lehtera, VdV etc.
The problem is they don't have the right mix of forwards.

At some point Briere may trade a RW for a center or LW.

So if they have a full stable of forwards, playing Deslauriers is a blatant mistake, right? And you will call it out as such?

 

[BiggE]

They do have a full stable of forwards. They're not playing guys like Leier, Weal, Lehtera, VdV etc.
The problem is they don't have the right mix of forwards.

At some point Briere may trade a RW for a center or LW.

They just played Nic D in b2b games, he’s worse than anyone you named. Hathaway is no better than VdV either.

But just keep on playing apologist, you do it well.

 

[Stop the Madness]

I just really hope torts is another brett brown minus giving him a few pity years after one good season.

 

[Rebels57]

Scratching Luchanko in back-to-backs when they are supposedly "evaluating" whether he is NHL ready...is certainly a choice. Torts seems more clueless than ever.

 

[freakydallas13]

So if they have a full stable of forwards, playing Deslauriers is a blatant mistake, right? And you will call it out as such?

I see some slight improvements with Deslauriers, in that they are starting to play him less regularly as time goes on.

Now, him still being on the roster at all, being in any games over actual players, and his contract are all still problems. But at least he isn't on track to play 80 games or whatever it was 2 seasons ago. The smallest of improvements.

 

[Cody Webster]

Scratching Luchanko in back-to-backs when they are supposedly "evaluating" whether he is NHL ready...is certainly a choice. Torts seems more clueless than ever.

Torts is waiting for Jett to stand up and fight him

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Just a moment ago you said
“This year they actually have a full roster of forwards”

Now you say “they don’t have the centers to build stable lines”

Things like this are why no one takes you seriously. You are an apologist for the organization, and you won’t criticize Torts until he is gone. Just as you didn’t criticize Fletcher and AV and all the other previous failures until they were gone.

its because hes only interested on being on the otherside... subject matter doesnt matter...

I see some slight improvements with Deslauriers, in that they are starting to play him less regularly as time goes on.

Now, him still being on the roster at all, being in any games over actual players, and his contract are all still problems. But at least he isn't on track to play 80 games or whatever it was 2 seasons ago. The smallest of improvements.

wait till hes extended again cuz of #culture....

Torts is waiting for Jett to stand up and fight him

this might actualy be true

 

[bennysflyers16]

Russ Joy letting it loose on Torts

The BEST 23 mins I have heard in a long time

 

[Stop the Madness]

The BEST 23 mins I have heard in a long time

I mean for the most part i agree with what he's saying.

Although I don't agree with the tanking a season just for a pick.

And it's also hard to gauge how big of a leash torts has with the front office considering it is mostly a new one with hopefully a better plan forward.

Unless I heard wrong he claims that other coaches didn't get near a long leash as torts.

I mean AV was fired entering his 3rd year
Hakstol lasted until the start of his 4th year.

Hell the longest tenured coach for the Flyers was 7 years and it was shero. The average lifespan of a flyers coach is 3 to 4 years, so I don't get that part.

I also like how he mentions things like how in all his years covering the sport he has never seen xyz or whatever, but the dude is young as shit lol.

To me he kind of sounds like an angry fan venting his frustrations in that clip than anything.

Not hating on the guy, just my observation from watching this clip and never following him.

 

[scumpup]

It's Rocky T time. Head coach Rocky. Lets do it 3 years of Rocky T give me all the top 3 picks.

 

[Striiker]

Scratching Luchanko in back-to-backs when they are supposedly "evaluating" whether he is NHL ready...is certainly a choice. Torts seems more clueless than ever.

If you only let him play once or twice a month then you can evaluate him for the full season instead of just a month.

Genius by Torts, honestly.

 

[3mFlyers]

If they fire Torts they better bring in somebody good. Sick of revolving coaches. Letting Lavy go was a crime.

 

[NYCFlyer]

I dont think its a coaching/Torts problem. He is an easy lightning rod for the anger of the fanbase about years of futilty and worse not much near term hope for significant improvement. Sure he does some head scratchers but they dont move the needle as far as being a contender. AV Hakstol Torts are all professional hockey coaches with long resumes of success....until they come here. I wonder what the Flyers record under Snider was compared to Scott. Although the last few GMs were weak I beleive its a Comcast problem and until some really rich hockey nut buys the Flyers.....I like DB i hope he will become a good GM and get really lucky somehow.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I don’t necessarily blame Tortorella for the current on ice play. But at the same time there’s a subset of people whether that’s fans, media, the organization, Tortorella himself, etc. that love to give him credit for when things are going good so…

They’re ultimately picking up where they left off last year. The same issues for the most part are showing again & that’s probably an indictment of the roster.

Where I would more so criticize Tortorella is in fact for the roster construction which he has a say in. I’m sure as shit he’s probably had good in say in reasons as to why they haven’t traded certain players so far because of culture reasons.

 

[Striiker]

I don’t necessarily blame Tortorella for the current on ice play. But at the same time there’s a subset of people whether that’s fans, media, the organization, Tortorella himself, etc. that love to give him credit for when things are going good so…

They’re ultimately picking up where they left off last year. The same issues for the most part are showing again & that’s probably an indictment of the roster.

Where I would more so criticize Tortorella is in fact for the roster construction which he has a say in. I’m sure as shit he’s probably had good in say in reasons as to why they haven’t traded certain players so far because of culture reasons.

Exactly, if he’s given all the credit for the team winning then you have to also give him all the blame for the team losing.

He’s either the mastermind pulling all the strings or he isn’t. You can’t pick and choose.

 

[Stop the Madness]

Exactly, if he’s given all the credit for the team winning then you have to also give him all the blame for the team losing.

He’s either the mastermind pulling all the strings or he isn’t. You can’t pick and choose.

I feel like he's a good coach that has had success, but is unable to adapt to the game as it has progressed.