Player Discussion The Official Brock Boeser Risk Management Thread

[Ernie]

i think they have to sign boeser if they want to remain competitive but if there was ever a player to be skeptical about handing out a long term deal to it's gotta be boeser, right? we've all seen what happens when he loses a step

I think they'll average out his performance over his current contract and go from there, which seems fair. They're waiting to see how he does this year before they decide next steps.

 

[shottasasa]

I fear that his next deal is going to start with at least 8 and could be north of 9 if he looks on track to hit 40 again. Market for a RH 40 goal scorer who drives good two way results is going to be hot with the cap expected to jump again this summer. He might give a small discount to stay but probably not much. This is where the OEL buyout might hurt.

 

[RandV]

There the Shea Theodore deal is a perfect example of what I was talking about last page. Looks like a great cap hit, but that's because the contract gives him $27.6M in the first 3 years and $17.1M in the final 3. Had he gone to free agency to cash out, he probably could have gotten someone to give him the top end of the deal for the entire duration.

That's what a team friendly deal with Boeser will look like. If he's scoring close to 40 again he deserves to make $8-9M the next few seasons, but chances are slim he'll be worth that the duration of his contract.

 

[SillyRabbit]

I wonder if Boeser makes Team USA in the four nations tournament.

Miller is obviously a lock, so maybe they take Boeser to capitalize on their chemistry?

Especially since Boeser is having a strong start to the season.

But honestly Team USA has so many good forwards that you could leave Boeser off and justify it pretty easily.

 

[theguardianII]

I wonder if Boeser makes Team USA in the four nations tournament.

Miller is obviously a lock, so maybe they take Boeser to capitalize on their chemistry?

Especially since Boeser is having a strong start to the season.

But honestly Team USA has so many good forwards that you could leave Boeser off and justify it pretty easily.

Not sure Miller is a lock. And do the Canucks really want him possibly getting hurt? That and he isn't really that young anymore, injuries take longer to heal even to recover from the extra games.

There the Shea Theodore deal is a perfect example of what I was talking about last page. Looks like a great cap hit, but that's because the contract gives him $27.6M in the first 3 years and $17.1M in the final 3. Had he gone to free agency to cash out, he probably could have gotten someone to give him the top end of the deal for the entire duration.

That's what a team friendly deal with Boeser will look like. If he's scoring close to 40 again he deserves to make $8-9M the next few seasons, but chances are slim he'll be worth that the duration of his contract.

Two different positions, one player with a cup ring. No tax state.
The equivalent in Canada is more like a 8.75mil cap hit.
It doesn't matter when he gets paid it is the averaged cap hit.
Boeser playing at age 35yrs old?

Boeser is still slow and a complimentary player, he can't carry a line.
But as a trade asset he has increased his value over when no team would take him without sweeteners.

 

[rypper]

Lol Miller is absolutely a lock.

 

[Ernie]

Boeser is off to a strong start. Just chance after chance last night, he was unlucky not to pot a couple of goals. Canucks management might want to inquire what his number is from his agent to see if it's something they feel comfortable with right now.

 

[SillyRabbit]

He was the best Canuck forward this season prior to getting concussed.

With him being back at practice (non-contact) it suggests to me that he could return to the lineup before the New Year.

I really hope that both he and the team approach this with an abundance of caution.

Concussions are no joke, brain injuries are no joke and Brock's long term health as an NHL player (and a person) are factors here.

With the Canucks missing Miller and Demko, and with it being a contract year, I do worry that Brock will want to return to the lineup as soon as possible, whereas I would feel more comfortable if he took a bit more conservative approach.

Either way, hoping that when he does come back, he's 100% recovered, healthy and is able to return to the level of play he was at prior to being concussed.

 

[theguardianII]

With the Canucks missing Miller and Demko, and with it being a contract year, I do worry that Brock will want to return to the lineup as soon as possible, whereas I would feel more comfortable if he took a bit more conservative approach.

The team doctors allowed him to fly so his symptoms must have been clear for more than the time he had them. Rule of thumb, one clear day for every day of symptoms and flying can/does extend or worsen a concussion.

Subliminal messages, outside pressure as you posted those can have a player hiding some of the more minor symptoms to get back earlier.

Everything you mentioned would urge a competitive athlete in a contract year to get back on the ice earlier or as quick as possible and maybe even add a little leverage in contract negotiations, "he took one for the team" stuff.

He should not return early some players have in the past and shortened or curtailed their careers. Crosby got his bell wrung and came back ASAP then had to take most of year off to get right.

For the team silent pressure could/would be the standings, 3 more losses could put the Canucks pretty much out of a playoff race, say they go 4 losses in 6 games so the pressure might be rising and the team's management urging need not be applied. But taking him along too soon or when marginally totally healed could be unintended pressure to get in the line up sooner, or not unintended. They might not have to say anything, sort of "Don't ask, don't tell" and then rely on the natural desire to not let down whomever.

Even innocent comments by Tocchet, "maybe next game, we will see how HE feels" might make the player feel more responsible to return earlier or just flying him with the team.

Hope he is okay.

BUT I don't think he is worth 8+ million a season. The core is stale.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Management needs to re-sign Boeser now.

The head hit reset his play. It gave management a reprieve despite the cap increase announcement. If he returns to form soon, the leverage will be on his side.

Get him locked up.

 

[Ernie]

You can't really go to the guy and say "hey you got a concussion so take a pay cut."

Best thing to do right now is to wait.

 

[Bleach Clean]

You can't really go to the guy and say "hey you got a concussion so take a pay cut."

Best thing to do right now is to wait.

Odd framing of my argument.

It's simply that he isn't 'on' yet. There's uncertainty. Use this window to negotiate. Paycut/Overpay, we don't know where their numbers are, just lock it in.

Waiting is just going to cost the team more.

 

[arttk]

Odd framing of my argument.

It's simply that he isn't 'on' yet. Use this window to negotiate. Paycut/Overpay, we don't know where their numbers are, just lock it in.

Waiting is just going to cost the team more.

Getting a concussion doesn’t mean his agent won’t know what we are doing. Trying to get a better deal after he comes back from a concussion is disrespectful.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Getting a concussion doesn’t mean his agent won’t know what we are doing. Trying to get a better deal after he comes back from a concussion is disrespectful.

Huh? It's nothing of the sort.

Put it this way: Wherever these two sides were coming into the season, prior to the concussion, revisit it now. Get to the table and offer him a fair deal. Lock it in. If Boeser gets on his game again, whatever seems fair now will seem like a steal later.

 

[arttk]

Huh? It's nothing of the sort.

Put it this way: Wherever these two sides were coming into the season, prior to the concussion, revisit it now. Get to the table and offer him a fair deal. Lock it in. If Boeser gets on his game again, whatever seems fair now will seem like a steal later.

I think they’ve already have some type of acknowledgment that if Boeser can repeat them they’ll take care of him.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Huh? It's nothing of the sort.

Put it this way: Wherever these two sides were coming into the season, prior to the concussion, revisit it now. Get to the table and offer him a fair deal. Lock it in. If Boeser gets on his game again, whatever seems fair now will seem like a steal later.

You keep saying you aren't saying what you're saying despite repeatedly saying it.

 

[potatowejj]

Trying to low ball contract a guy who got concussed by a dirty, suspension-worthy play that was 100% not his fault seems like a really bad way to conduct business.

 

[Bleach Clean]

This place sometimes... lol.

If he were merely slumping and did not suffer a concussion, would it be ok to start negotiations again? I would think so. Ben Hankinson is still going to know how to do his job. Just be fair to him and get it done.

Don't lowball him. Get to his number instead (or closer to).

I just don't want this situation to get away from them like it did with Horvat.

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

Cmon Boeser sign long term for 7, we need a couple team friendly deals, your friends are here

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I would hate to sign Boeser to a long term contract. His skating is already below average and will only get worse. Also, while he was awesome for most of last season, and stepped up in the playoff, I can't forget the previous few seasons where he wasn't very good. Sure there's personally stuff going on, but I'm not comfortable enough with the sample size and his skating to give him a 7+ years contract at his (presumably) market value of $8m+ per.

The only exception is if the team is intending to go all-in the next 2 seasons during Hughes's contract, and tear it all down afterwards. Then maybe you go 8 years for a lower cap hit. But for a slow skating non-play-driving winger in his late 20s, seems like a prime candidate for it to become a bad contract really quickly.

 

[racerjoe]

I think I sign him to a 7 year deal, judging by the ask that came out today, go 7.25-7.75. It’s too long, but I don’t think you are upgrading on him over the short term, so kick the problem down the road, and hopefully his salary won’t be considered bad when he hits a wall.

 

[LordBacon]

Sign him to 7 years x 6.9420mil with a lifetime supply of doritos

 

[ProviesGhost]

3x3 after that 3 on 3 performance