Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Rebels57]

Eh I disagree.

They played the 2 seed in jersey to start which was a great draw. Then they got lucky to beat Boston after being down 0-3. They had home ice in the ECF despite being the 7 seed! There are a lot of fortunate matchups there.

They were the 8 seed and went to the finals.

They were picked to reach the finals or win the Cup by multiple outlets prior to the season. They had a poor start and goalie injuries, but that was not a fluke run to the Finals.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Danny Briere on the rumor that Giroux asked for assurances that he could re-sign in Philly this summer:

“That’s funny. There’s absolutely no truth to that."

Oh management figures cover their own asses after blowing a trade?

Very believable.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The only way it would make sense for G to return is on a one year deal with a NMC so he can choose his TDL destination once again.
And does that make sense for the Flyers?

Yes. Then you trade him again. That makes a huge amount of sense.

 

[Larry44]

The amount of players like G who get traded and come back to their original team if enough precedent that it would never be found as tampering. Fletcher is just an idiot.

I believe the report, and Giroux's bitterness towards the Flyers organization after he left was palpable. I believe Giroux made the offer, i.e. I want to come back but I'll let you deal me to a bigger list of teams at the deadline if you promise to consider it. The simple fact is Fletcher wanted him gone for good, so Giroux said, FU it's FLA or nothing. This handcuffed ClusterChuck and he got a mediocre return. Realistically, they were never going to have cap room to bring G back at $5M a year, any cap space was already earmarked for Risto's and Couts' extensions.

It's also convenient for the ruling Bully cabal to blame all the team's recent failures on G's leadership, hence the emphasis last summer on bringing in guys who were assistant captains. Let's face it, they don't have any idea what kind of team they want and what style of play they want to play. But they need leadership and a coach with a whip, in Clarke's worldview, that's the formula.

So we lose G, we're stuck with Risto, and we have a new psycho coach who will certainly alienate some of the key players on the team for no really good reason.

It has the makings of a disaster. Let's go Flyers?

 

[Larry44]

@FLYguy3911

A smart team should look at the guy who outcoached Savard, Jay McKee of Hamilton. Very good coach. They play a very good style, puck support and possession focused with solid D coverage. They take what's given: carry it in if you back off, dump it if you stand up. Game 7 was a great game to be at, loved it!

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Same with 45. Which is actually way worse and 10x more dangerous, I actually live off of 45 now lol, 20 mins from Houston, 15 from Galveston Island, yay me..... I miss Delaware surprisingly enough lol

59 was the worst, when I lived down there. Shootings every week from road rage at rush hour.

 

[mja]

Imagine defending the captains of the Flytanic after its already been sheared in half on its way to the bottom.

 

[Curufinwe]

They were picked to reach the finals or win the Cup by multiple outlets prior to the season. They had a poor start and goalie injuries, but that was not a fluke run to the Finals.

It was a fluke they made the playoffs at all.

I believe the report, and Giroux's bitterness towards the Flyers organization after he left was palpable. I believe Giroux made the offer, i.e. I want to come back but I'll let you deal me to a bigger list of teams at the deadline if you promise to consider it.

Why would Giroux offer to back to Philly when they clearly aren't a Cup contender? That's the whole reason he left in the first place. To win a Cup.

 

[Embiid]

There are no Flyer haters here....but the Flyers definitely hate and have disrespectful disdain for their fanbase...

 

[deadhead]

Well, if you're gonna pay 35 year old G $7M, you might as well pay Johnny Hockey $10M to miss the playoffs.
I'll choose from option "C". This team doesn't need to add older free agents.

One glimmer of hope for Risto, David Savard had some good years under Torts, then went straight downhill without him.

When Torts took over in CBJ, the only major move was Johansen for Seth Jones.
That summer, Kerby Rychel (#19-2013), a major flop, was traded for Scott Harrington (24), a #6/#7 D-man.
Gagner (27) was the only FA signed, to a one year deal.

At the TDL, when CBJ unexpectedly was a PO team in Torts' first full year, they picked up Kyle Quincey (31), rental D-man for Dalton Prout (26), marginal D-man.

The next summer they traded Saad for Panarin.

Other than that, he pretty much played the prospects.
2016-17, his first full season:
forwards
started Wennberg (22), Saad (24), Jenner (23), Karlsson (24), Anderson (22), Sedlak (23), and brought up Bjorkstrand (21) who started in the playoffs.
defense
Seth Jones (22), Werenski (19) were in his top 4. Carlsson (20) was brought up and started in the playoffs. Nutivaara (22) and Harrington (23) also played.

So based on what Torts did in CBJ, don't expect the Flyers to be players in the FA market, don't expect them to add scrubs - I think Torts would want to audition all the prospects at LHV first and see who is in the team's future. If he doesn't think a player is a fit, he'll be gone. But he didn't purge the veterans in CBJ, so other than JVR, I see most of them returning.

 

[FLYguy3911]

A smart team should look at the guy who outcoached Savard, Jay McKee of Hamilton. Very good coach. They play a very good style, puck support and possession focused with solid D coverage. They take what's given: carry it in if you back off, dump it if you stand up. Game 7 was a great game to be at, loved it!

Outcoached or had a much better roster? It's shocking that series went to Game 7.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

From reading a little of this thread it sounds like no one wanted to coach the flyers, Cam Atkinson makes a comment about Torts at the end of year meetings and the Flyers hire the coach that no other teams wanted.

And it’s no wonder the Flyers organization has become a laughingstock

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Giroux told him he'd lengthen his list if Fletcher would bring him back and Fletcher refused. This has been known for a few months now.

Even if Fletcher told Giroux he will put a offer out in July to see if he wants to come back, why would he? Especially now with the Flyers continuing the dinosaur hockey tradition.

 

[Larry44]

Outcoached or had a much better roster? It's shocking that series went to Game 7.

Both. There is no point having a good roster if you don't deploy it correctly. Windsor was a good, deep team, with a couple top NHL prospects and a bunch of deadline acquisitions. Because the conferences didn't play interlocking games it was impossible to tell which team was better coming in. The Bulldogs hadn't played the Spits since before the pandemic, 800 days or something like that.

In the end, they shut Johnston and Cuylle down in game 7, and that was that. Just speculating, but I think the coaching might have had something to do with that.

 

[GKJ]

They were picked to reach the finals or win the Cup by multiple outlets prior to the season. They had a poor start and goalie injuries, but that was not a fluke run to the Finals.

Yes it was. Just because they were picked to go to the finals before the season doesn’t change that. None of it happens if David Krejci doesn’t get hurt in game 3 vs. Boston. They also got fortunate that the Habs took out both the Capitals and Penguins. The Flyers went 2-7-1 against those 2 teams.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Just the Flyers negotiating against themselves and getting bent over. Tale as old as time.

 

[Curufinwe]

Giroux told him he'd lengthen his list if Fletcher would bring him back and Fletcher refused. This has been known for a few months now.

Not only is there actual confirmation of that, it makes no sense. Giroux and his family clearly had his heart set on moving to Florida.

 

[GKJ]

Just the Flyers negotiating against themselves and getting bent over. Tale as old as time.

Listen, Dave Scott is doing a great job providing resources.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, if you're gonna pay 35 year old G $7M, you might as well pay Johnny Hockey $10M to miss the playoffs.
I'll choose from option "C". This team doesn't need to add older free agents.

One glimmer of hope for Risto, David Savard had some good years under Torts, then went straight downhill without him.

When Torts took over in CBJ, the only major move was Johansen for Seth Jones.
That summer, Kerby Rychel (#19-2013), a major flop, was traded for Scott Harrington (24), a #6/#7 D-man.
Gagner (27) was the only FA signed, to a one year deal.

At the TDL, when CBJ unexpectedly was a PO team in Torts' first full year, they picked up Kyle Quincey (31), rental D-man for Dalton Prout (26), marginal D-man.

The next summer they traded Saad for Panarin.

Other than that, he pretty much played the prospects.
2016-17, his first full season:
forwards
started Wennberg (22), Saad (24), Jenner (23), Karlsson (24), Anderson (22), Sedlak (23), and brought up Bjorkstrand (21) who started in the playoffs.
defense
Seth Jones (22), Werenski (19) were in his top 4. Carlsson (20) was brought up and started in the playoffs. Nutivaara (22) and Harrington (23) also played.

So based on what Torts did in CBJ, don't expect the Flyers to be players in the FA market, don't expect them to add scrubs - I think Torts would want to audition all the prospects at LHV first and see who is in the team's future. If he doesn't think a player is a fit, he'll be gone. But he didn't purge the veterans in CBJ, so other than JVR, I see most of them returning.

Gaudreau isn't coming here.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Sure, but I would like to point out that 2010 was not a "lucky run." That Flyers team was stacked and if it wasn't for Emery having a season ending injury, we likely win the Cup.

I've always wondered why they went with Boucher-Emery tandem, instead of re-signing Biron. Emery played in the KHL, and had a poor last NHL season prior to coming back. Boucher was a backup and didn't have great numbers as a backup for the Sharks anyways.

 

[Curufinwe]

Biron wanted too much money, and ended up screwing himself. Homer wouldn't pay up , so Biron went to UFA but ended up having to settle for a $1.4m deal with NYI signed on 7/22/09 which was many weeks into free agency.

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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[mja]

It's about as forceful of a denial as you can get. Point is, the rumor gets tossed around like truth, but there's been no corroboration and, in fact, the best source on the record issued a strong rebuff.

And Richard Nixon wasn't a crook.

The forcefulness of a denial has no bearing on its veracity. Regardless, the disaster isn't that they cornered themselves into trading Giroux for peanuts because they wouldn't agree to bring him back, but that they cornered themselves into having to trade him at all.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Biron wanted too much money, and ended up screwing himself. Homer wouldn't pay up , so Biron went to UFA but ended up having to settle for a $1.4m deal with NYI.

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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I legit feel Flyers would have won the cup if Biron played for them that year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's about as forceful of a denial as you can get. Point is, the rumor gets tossed around like truth, but there's been no corroboration and, in fact, the best source on the record issued a strong rebuff.

Why would Fletcher's assistant, a guy who wants the GM job to gain his lifetime tenure with the org, betray the team and confirm it?

 

[Curufinwe]

I legit feel Flyers would have won the cup if Biron played for them that year.

He would have been a better option, for sure. It's a real shame.