Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[BernieParent]

Eh I disagree.

They played the 2 seed in jersey to start which was a great draw. Then they got lucky to beat Boston after being down 0-3. They had home ice in the ECF despite being the 7 seed! There are a lot of fortunate matchups there.

They were the 8 seed and went to the finals.

Not to mention that Montreal took out Washington and Pittsburgh before turning into a pumpkin against the Flyers.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The good news is now we can devote less time to talking about players like Gaudreau in free agency.

I think this is the big underlying story not being talked about. With all of this talk about blank checks, why would you hire a coach with a known reputation for rubbing star players the wrong way? I mean some guys will chase the money no matter what and most will outlast his coaching tenure here, but is it really worth it?

@FLYguy3911

The consulting firm could not wait another week.

 

[Embiid]

Eh I disagree.

They played the 2 seed in jersey to start which was a great draw. Then they got lucky to beat Boston after being down 0-3. They had home ice in the ECF despite being the 7 seed! There are a lot of fortunate matchups there.

They were the 8 seed and went to the finals.

They caught lightening in a bottle..

I recall both Snider and Holmgren admitting that their run was an anomalie and that the team had flaws.

Clearly ..

 

[deadhead]

Trotz is close to retiring at 59, but Torts at 63 isn't?

Do you even believe the things you type anymore?

Have you looked at Trotz and Torts? Torts is in much better physical shape.
Plus Trotz has made a lot more money, and hasn't been involved with a young, rebuilding team for two decades.
I doubt he has the patience to deal with a bunch of young, erratic players anymore.

Even in Nashville, when they finally made the playoffs in 203-04:
the only players on that team 25 or under: Hamhuis (21),Legwand (23), Hartnell (21), Hall (23), Erat (22), Arkhipov (24), Tootoo (20).
Three years later, when they put up 110 points:
Kariya (32), Sullivan (32), Kimmo (31), Arnott (32) were four of his top seven scorers.

I think this is the big underlying story not being talked about. With all of this talk about blank checks, why would you hire a coach with a known reputation for rubbing star players the wrong way? I mean some guys will chase the money no matter what and most will outlast his coaching tenure here, but is it really worth it?

That's the best thing about hiring Torts, it eliminates the big money FA route.
He'll have to coach up the young players on the roster and whom they bring up from LHV.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Giroux told him he'd lengthen his list if Fletcher would bring him back and Fletcher refused. This has been known for a few months now.

I'd still like a link to this.

 

[Redpath]

I'm still amazed that we've somehow found an option more idiotic than simply keeping Fletcher: Keeping Fletcher despite openly not trusting his judgement

 

[ponder719]

Have you looked at Trotz and Torts? Torts is in much better physical shape.

Not going to get into anything else, but that is not remotely a valid way to assess which of two people is healthier.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

The Flyers were the preseason pick to win the Stanley Cup by the hockey news that year. The run was favorable but they had a lot of talent on that roster.

Also the team was very good in 2011. Although Boston dominated us lol

 

[RebusFlyer]

I'd still like a link to this.

I've seen many posts with some version of this assertion (none with a clear, "gotta be true" source) but all of which seem to go back to a claim that Giroux wanted Fletcher to "guarantee" (or something along those lines) that he would bring Giroux back (presumably for some pre-agreed salary and term), and if Fletcher wouldn't agree to that pre-negotiated "contract," Giroux would only permit the Flyers to negotiate with the Panthers.

That assertion never made sense to me. For one thing, I assume it would violate NHL rules -- in effect, it would be tampering, I would think -- even if it were agreed to by Florida. (I acknowledge that I don't really know the answer to that). For another, one would think that the contract amount that would have satisfied Giroux (in order for him to relinquish his right to negotiate on the open market) would have been huge -- way above market (whatever that would have been).

So, even if such an arrangement would have been "legal" under NHL rules (which I doubt), could the Flyers have afforded it?

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I've seen many posts with some version of this assertion (none with a clear, "gotta be true" source) but all of which seem to go back to a claim that Giroux wanted Fletcher to "guarantee" (or something along those lines) that he would bring Giroux back (presumably for some pre-agreed salary and term), and if Fletcher wouldn't agree to that pre-negotiated "contract," Giroux would only permit the Flyers to negotiate with the Panthers.

That assertion never made sense to me. For one thing, I assume it would violate NHL rules -- in effect, it would be tampering, I would think -- even if it were agreed to by Florida. (I acknowledge that I don't really know the answer to that). For another, one would think that the contract amount that would have satisfied Giroux (in order for him to relinquish his right to negotiate on the open market) would have been huge -- way above market (whatever that would have been).

So, even if such an arrangement would have been "legal" under NHL rules (which I doubt), could the Flyers have afforded it?

Yeah this seems pretty unlikely. Doesn't even make a lot of sense from Giroux's POV.

 

[TheKingPin]

The Flyers were the preseason pick to win the Stanley Cup by the hockey news that year. The run was favorable but they had a lot of talent on that roster.

Not to mention, they had to win in a SO against Hank to even make the playoffs in game 82. I was there and it was awesome.

I agree they had talent. I was not aware of any preseason picks that high but they really did get a great path to the finals. I personally don’t think they were going to get there if they had to play the Caps and pens etc. I had season tickets that year, it was a good one.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I've seen many posts with some version of this assertion (none with a clear, "gotta be true" source) but all of which seem to go back to a claim that Giroux wanted Fletcher to "guarantee" (or something along those lines) that he would bring Giroux back (presumably for some pre-agreed salary and term), and if Fletcher wouldn't agree to that pre-negotiated "contract," Giroux would only permit the Flyers to negotiate with the Panthers.

That assertion never made sense to me. For one thing, I assume it would violate NHL rules -- in effect, it would be tampering, I would think -- even if it were agreed to by Florida. (I acknowledge that I don't really know the answer to that). For another, one would think that the contract amount that would have satisfied Giroux (in order for him to relinquish his right to negotiate on the open market) would have been huge -- way above market (whatever that would have been).

So, even if such an arrangement would have been "legal" under NHL rules (which I doubt), could the Flyers have afforded it?

Yeah I’ve seen it thrown around like it’s truth but I’d like a good source

 

[flyersnorth]

I've seen many posts with some version of this assertion (none with a clear, "gotta be true" source) but all of which seem to go back to a claim that Giroux wanted Fletcher to "guarantee" (or something along those lines) that he would bring Giroux back (presumably for some pre-agreed salary and term), and if Fletcher wouldn't agree to that pre-negotiated "contract," Giroux would only permit the Flyers to negotiate with the Panthers.

That assertion never made sense to me. For one thing, I assume it would violate NHL rules -- in effect, it would be tampering, I would think -- even if it were agreed to by Florida. (I acknowledge that I don't really know the answer to that). For another, one would think that the contract amount that would have satisfied Giroux (in order for him to relinquish his right to negotiate on the open market) would have been huge -- way above market (whatever that would have been).

So, even if such an arrangement would have been "legal" under NHL rules (which I doubt), could the Flyers have afforded it?

IIRC, someone covered that angle at the time, and basically confirmed that it would be tampering.

Once the Flyers trade G, he is no longer Flyers property, and any handshake agreement they had would be in bad faith.

Of course, I'm sure this kind of tampering happens all the time in professional circles, but it's still a violation of the rules from what I understand.

There are always ways to have conversations that convey intent but are not a violation... "I will accept a trade to Florida.... and after the season, well, let's just say that Philadelphia is my home. My family is here, my kids go to schools here, and I want to keep building on that."

Maybe that happened, and then some big mouth made it public, and then it kaiboshes everything lol.

 

[mja]

I've seen many posts with some version of this assertion (none with a clear, "gotta be true" source) but all of which seem to go back to a claim that Giroux wanted Fletcher to "guarantee" (or something along those lines) that he would bring Giroux back (presumably for some pre-agreed salary and term), and if Fletcher wouldn't agree to that pre-negotiated "contract," Giroux would only permit the Flyers to negotiate with the Panthers.

That assertion never made sense to me. For one thing, I assume it would violate NHL rules -- in effect, it would be tampering, I would think -- even if it were agreed to by Florida. (I acknowledge that I don't really know the answer to that). For another, one would think that the contract amount that would have satisfied Giroux (in order for him to relinquish his right to negotiate on the open market) would have been huge -- way above market (whatever that would have been).

So, even if such an arrangement would have been "legal" under NHL rules (which I doubt), could the Flyers have afforded it?

There's a clear source for the assertion - it was directly reported by SanFilippo. Whether he's completely full of shit or not is another matter completely.

 

[TheKingPin]

I've seen many posts with some version of this assertion (none with a clear, "gotta be true" source) but all of which seem to go back to a claim that Giroux wanted Fletcher to "guarantee" (or something along those lines) that he would bring Giroux back (presumably for some pre-agreed salary and term), and if Fletcher wouldn't agree to that pre-negotiated "contract," Giroux would only permit the Flyers to negotiate with the Panthers.

That assertion never made sense to me. For one thing, I assume it would violate NHL rules -- in effect, it would be tampering, I would think -- even if it were agreed to by Florida. (I acknowledge that I don't really know the answer to that). For another, one would think that the contract amount that would have satisfied Giroux (in order for him to relinquish his right to negotiate on the open market) would have been huge -- way above market (whatever that would have been).

So, even if such an arrangement would have been "legal" under NHL rules (which I doubt), could the Flyers have afforded it?

The amount of players like G who get traded and come back to their original team if enough precedent that it would never be found as tampering. Fletcher is just an idiot.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Danny Briere on the rumor that Giroux asked for assurances that he could re-sign in Philly this summer:

“That’s funny. There’s absolutely no truth to that."

 

[TheKingPin]

So what is the holdup on the announcement? There aren’t even any other teams interested, so what could there possibly left to say?

Hopefully it all falls through, as unlikely as it is.

 

[flyersnorth]

So what is the holdup on the announcement? There aren’t even any other teams interested, so what could there possibly left to say?

Hopefully it all falls through, as unlikely as it is.

Honestly my guess is that the details are not worked out yet, but seeing Vegas announce Cassidy and likely being told that Trotz has turned them down pushed the Flyers to announce *something* lest they be seen as incompetent.

Just when I think this organization can't possibly punch itself in the face any more, they find another fist.

 

[mja]

Danny Briere on the rumor that Giroux asked for assurances that he could re-sign in Philly this summer:

“That’s funny. There’s absolutely no truth to that."

It's not like he'd admit it if there were any truth to it. That said, there's plenty of other shit to get worked up about with this shit team, like having an insanely expensive incredibly bad roster with no clear way forward.

 

[TheKingPin]

Honestly my guess is that the details are not worked out yet, but seeing Vegas announce Cassidy and likely being told that Trotz has turned them down pushed the Flyers to announce *something* lest they be seen as incompetent.

Just when I think this organization can't possibly punch itself in the face any more, they find another fist.

It seems like any hire or FA gets their way with the flyers. They have no negotiating presence.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It's not like he'd admit it if there were any truth to it. That said, there's plenty of other shit to get worked up about with this shit team, like having an insanely expensive incredibly bad roster with no clear way forward.

It's about as forceful of a denial as you can get. Point is, the rumor gets tossed around like truth, but there's been no corroboration and, in fact, the best source on the record issued a strong rebuff.

 

[dragonoffrost]

So what is the holdup on the announcement? There aren’t even any other teams interested, so what could there possibly left to say?

Hopefully it all falls through, as unlikely as it is.

Chuck is being a nice guy and not announcing it until the finals are done

 

[SuchySays]

Trash organization has leaks out the wazoo now

Giroux told him he'd lengthen his list if Fletcher would bring him back and Fletcher refused. This has been known for a few months now.

You're posting fake news from troll twitter accounts now because you hate the Flyers so much. pathetic.

 

[deadhead]

The only way it would make sense for G to return is on a one year deal with a NMC so he can choose his TDL destination once again.
And does that make sense for the Flyers?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Trash organization has leaks out the wazoo now



You're posting fake news from troll twitter accounts now because you hate the Flyers so much. pathetic.

Lollllll



Would you like to apologize?