The Case For Bringing Back The Core

[Notsince67]

How many conference finals has he made?
How many second rounds has he made?

It’s almost as if you just don’t know how to read

At 31 he has seen the playoffs as many times as 3 of the core. Heck at that age he saw the playoffs like twice.
But trade the core before they see his success.

Curious , how did they do the previous 5 yrs in comparison to the leafs?

How many time did stone see the playoffs at the age of 26?

 

[mjd1001]

All the talk about Vegas winning. Yes, they deserved to win, they didn't back into it. But keep in mind they are a much more balanced team (credit to them), in an overall weaker conference and have an easier path through the playoff than Toronto does. Also, one thing not many people have talked much about but they should get credit for is not the pure talent of the roster, but the age construction of it.
They maybe have the greatest percentage of their roster in the 'peak' part of their careers compared to anyone else in the league (D-group full of vets with a LOT of experience, and their forwards also, but not quite 'too old' and worn out). This team as constructed is built to win, top to bottom in a window from 2020-2024.

 

[mikeyz]

At 31 he has seen the playoffs as many times as 3 of the core. Heck at that age he saw the playoffs like twice.
But trade the core before they see his success.


How many time did stone see the playoffs at the age of 26?

So, Matthews is 25 right now. So going by that, you would be willing to keep running back this core for another 6 years even if they lose in the 1st or 2nd round every year?

 

[Aashir Mallik]

At 31 he has seen the playoffs as many times as 3 of the core. Heck at that age he saw the playoffs like twice.
But trade the core before they see his success.


How many time did stone see the playoffs at the age of 26?

You act like making the playoffs is any sort of achievement, our guys make 7+ million each, playoffs are not the bar

Who gives a f*** about stone either, you keep pinpointing on one guy, but they’ve been able to build strong, heavy and DEEP teams because they don’t pay as much as we do

Marner is a better player then him, but they don’t seem too different come playoff time

Marchessault is not as good as nylander, but come playoff time they aren’t different either

Matthews for 5 years was the exact same as eichel, he just got his points in goals, yet we paid him more for less, and eichel looks great in the playoffs too

Not to mention all of their depth like karlsson, smith, Roy, barbashev,Stephenson, they also were able to build a heavy and skilled defence.

Chandler Stephenson is a Tavares level player or better and he makes 1/5th of Tavares. We would talk about dubas’s ability to acquire lowkey guys and turn them around, funnily enough more leave and become hetter

Barabanov, amadio, Moore, Sandin, brown, Marchement

This core doesn’t allow us to get quality depth, and we aren’t really good bargain bin signers. Spezza and bunting came from us being Toronto, not evaluating talent

we don’t have the stars you think we do and we don’t have the depth as other contenders.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I am starting to think he's a certain forbidden 5 letter word that starts with the letter T on here.

Trump?

 

[mikeyz]

Trump?

Close enough. Lol.

 

[Fogelhund]

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Chandler Stephenson is a Tavares level player or better and he makes 1/5th of Tavares. We would talk about dubas’s ability to acquire lowkey guys and turn them around, funnily enough more leave and become hetter

 

[weems]

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Heres the top 10 and it's extremely shocking to see Mittlestadt there

Edit - This isnt per 60 like original tweet

 

[Blanka]

I will never understand why anyone would be emotionally attached to these turdnuggets or the GM that played a role in making them into turdnuggets.

Everything about them makes me want to vomit. Except Rielly. He's the only one that appears to care more about the team than himself. Nylander...sometimes he cares at least.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm emotionally attached to the team. Period. Players will come and go. The club will always be there.

 

[arso40]

All the talk about Vegas winning. Yes, they deserved to win, they didn't back into it. But keep in mind they are a much more balanced team (credit to them), in an overall weaker conference and have an easier path through the playoff than Toronto does. Also, one thing not many people have talked much about but they should get credit for is not the pure talent of the roster, but the age construction of it.
They maybe have the greatest percentage of their roster in the 'peak' part of their careers compared to anyone else in the league (D-group full of vets with a LOT of experience, and their forwards also, but not quite 'too old' and worn out). This team as constructed is built to win, top to bottom in a window from 2020-2024.

Not to mention they’re above the salary cap lightningesque

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Yes, they had one year where they were destroyed by injuries so they didn't make huge roster moves. Even then, they made a major change by removing their head coach for someone they (correctly) believed would do a better job.

That's not even highlighting the fact that VGK has been tweaking their core for the years prior to that. Adding Eichel + Pietrangelo while moving off someone like Patches

I don't think that is very comparable to a core with 1 playoff win in 7 years

Correct, running back after one injury marred season is different from running back 7 years of playoff futility.

 

[horner]

Off topic

Why do we not have any defenseman that can rip the puck from the point.
Seems other teams have one dman that can.
Do our dman practice taking snapshots.

 

[Gabriel426]

Why is people so obsess with bringing the core back?
It all depends on the returning package of players, picks and prospects, and MOST importantly the results in playoffs.
If all we can muster are career average mid 6 forwards and mid pairing Dmen plus mid round picks and C prospects for AM, MM, Willie and JT, then went on to win Cups right away and those mid round picks all turns out to be Point, Shek, and Bergy, 5 years from now.
We won't be hearing about anything of AM, MM, Willie and JT.

The Goal of the Leafs is to win the CUP and not having great individual players.

 

[mikeyz]

I will never understand why anyone would be emotionally attached to these turdnuggets or the GM that played a role in making them into turdnuggets.

Everything about them makes me want to vomit. Except Rielly. He's the only one that appears to care more about the team than himself. Nylander...sometimes he cares at least.

This post needs to be pinned to the top of the thread. Very well said.

 

[myleafs]

At 31 he has seen the playoffs as many times as 3 of the core. Heck at that age he saw the playoffs like twice.
But trade the core before they see his success.


How many time did stone see the playoffs at the age of 26?

nice non answer. Your the one who brought up the fact that vegas kept their core together after missing the playoffs last year like it was comparable to the leafs. But you forgot to include the fact that Vegas's core had already done so much more than the leafs leading up to their non playoff year last yr....not even close to the same situation. If the leafs had done what Vegas did the last 6 yrs I would have no issue with our core guys staying but they havent and its not even close.

 

[myleafs]

All the talk about Vegas winning. Yes, they deserved to win, they didn't back into it. But keep in mind they are a much more balanced team (credit to them), in an overall weaker conference and have an easier path through the playoff than Toronto does. Also, one thing not many people have talked much about but they should get credit for is not the pure talent of the roster, but the age construction of it.
They maybe have the greatest percentage of their roster in the 'peak' part of their careers compared to anyone else in the league (D-group full of vets with a LOT of experience, and their forwards also, but not quite 'too old' and worn out). This team as constructed is built to win, top to bottom in a window from 2020-2024.

This isnt just pointed at you but I cannot for the life of me figure out why so many feel the need to downplay what Vegas has done and then to imply the leafs had it way harder and what? they would have won if they had as easy as Vegas? ..like wtf?. Are we already forgetting the Columbus and Montreal series? Enough with the excuses....they won we didnt.

 

[myleafs]

At 31 he has seen the playoffs as many times as 3 of the core. Heck at that age he saw the playoffs like twice.
But trade the core before they see his success.


How many time did stone see the playoffs at the age of 26?

You clearly have no interest in a normal conversation so we will leave it at that. byeee

 

[hullsy47]

Close enough. Lol.

Pretty close .both kinda elude us

 

[Notsince67]

So, Matthews is 25 right now. So going by that, you would be willing to keep running back this core for another 6 years even if they lose in the 1st or 2nd round every year?

Yup

You act like making the playoffs is any sort of achievement, our guys make 7+ million each, playoffs are not the bar

Who gives a f*** about stone either, you keep pinpointing on one guy, but they’ve been able to build strong, heavy and DEEP teams because they don’t pay as much as we do

Marner is a better player then him, but they don’t seem too different come playoff time

Marchessault is not as good as nylander, but come playoff time they aren’t different either

Matthews for 5 years was the exact same as eichel, he just got his points in goals, yet we paid him more for less, and eichel looks great in the playoffs too

Not to mention all of their depth like karlsson, smith, Roy, barbashev,Stephenson, they also were able to build a heavy and skilled defence.

Chandler Stephenson is a Tavares level player or better and he makes 1/5th of Tavares. We would talk about dubas’s ability to acquire lowkey guys and turn them around, funnily enough more leave and become hetter

Barabanov, amadio, Moore, Sandin, brown, Marchement

This core doesn’t allow us to get quality depth, and we aren’t really good bargain bin signers. Spezza and bunting came from us being Toronto, not evaluating talent

we don’t have the stars you think we do and we don’t have the depth as other contenders.

You brought up stone

 

[PromisedLand]

The case for winning the CUP

 

[Aashir Mallik]

You brought up stone

As part of a group, to show how they are a deep team. He isn’t a superstar level player, but he’s able to be as effective as other players like Marner who are superstars

You seem to be fixated on him, missing the point that he’s part of an 8 man core

 

[57 Years No Cup]

That's cute, but incredibly simplistic. Do you believe that the three of Matthews, Nylander and Marner collectively have improved their overall play over the years?

No.

 

[ToneDog]

Off topic

Why do we not have any defenseman that can rip the puck from the point.
Seems other teams have one dman that can.
Do our dman practice taking snapshots.

You haven't heard. Slapshots from the point are not needed/useful.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

You act like making the playoffs is any sort of achievement, our guys make 7+ million each, playoffs are not the bar

Who gives a f*** about stone either, you keep pinpointing on one guy, but they’ve been able to build strong, heavy and DEEP teams because they don’t pay as much as we do

Marner is a better player then him, but they don’t seem too different come playoff time

Marchessault is not as good as nylander, but come playoff time they aren’t different either

Matthews for 5 years was the exact same as eichel, he just got his points in goals, yet we paid him more for less, and eichel looks great in the playoffs too

Not to mention all of their depth like karlsson, smith, Roy, barbashev,Stephenson, they also were able to build a heavy and skilled defence.

Chandler Stephenson is a Tavares level player or better and he makes 1/5th of Tavares. We would talk about dubas’s ability to acquire lowkey guys and turn them around, funnily enough more leave and become hetter

Barabanov, amadio, Moore, Sandin, brown, Marchement

This core doesn’t allow us to get quality depth, and we aren’t really good bargain bin signers. Spezza and bunting came from us being Toronto, not evaluating talent

we don’t have the stars you think we do and we don’t have the depth as other contenders.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I didn't expect YOU to know because you obviously know little of this game but Vegas missed the playoffs last year.
Duh. ROTFLMAO to you interweb children who think these kinds banal interactions give you some clout.

"I'll take what are injuries for 500 please Alex"