The Case For Bringing Back The Core

[notDatsyuk]

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Are there any psychology analyses of why sports fans enjoy "hating" on certain players without real basis?

There have been several psychological analyses of why sports fans may enjoy "hating" on certain players without a real basis. One theory is that it can be a way for fans to connect with others who share their opinions, as well as to feel a sense of belonging to a group. Additionally, some research suggests that it can be a way for fans to express their frustrations with their own lives, or to distract themselves from negative emotions.Another theory is that it can be a way for fans to establish an identity for themselves, as well as to differentiate themselves from others. For example, a fan may identify as a fan of a certain team, and then use their hatred for a rival team or player to further define their identity as a fan.Some researchers also suggest that fans may hate on certain players because of their .perceived arrogance, or because they feel like the player is getting too much attention or accolades. Additionally, some fans may hate on certain players because of their perceived lack of sportsmanship or poor behavior on or off the field.It is important to note that these theories are just that – theories – and they do not necessarily apply to all sports fans. Additionally, it is important to remember that "hating" on someone without a real basis is not a healthy or respectful way to engage with sports or with others.

That sounds like a report from Anderson Consulting. Fancy gibberish. No wonder they were called 'Androids'.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Here is the case for keeping the core.

There are 2 reasons for keeping the core.

#1 Brad hasn't been here, he wants to see if he can put the right pieces around this coreso he's going to take 1 season and he's going to f*** around and find out.

The reason he might have to try is that he does have some cap space so let's see.

The 2nd reason is because management, and when I say management I mean everybody.

Management looks at the Atlantic and thinks it's getting weaker and here is where they might be right.

Tampa is losing Killorn, a year after losing Palat, McDonough and Rutta.

Boston is old as dirt and in complete cap hell.

Florida went to the final but it doesn't sound like they will be healthy to start the year

Ottawa is losing Debrincat

Montreal, Detroit and Buffalo are not threats.

Toronto sees the Atlantic as getting weaker, they see themselves as the favorite to win the division and potentially finish 1st in the eastern conference.

And in that case they might be right, the Atlantic does look weaker, it does look up for grabs.

I think they want top spot to put themselves in what they view as the best position to win.

Say goo bye to that 28th overall pick.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Here is the case for keeping the core.

There are 2 reasons for keeping the core.

#1 Brad hasn't been here, he wants to see if he can put the right pieces around this coreso he's going to take 1 season and he's going to f*** around and find out.

The reason he might have to try is that he does have some cap space so let's see.

The 2nd reason is because management, and when I say management I mean everybody.

Management looks at the Atlantic and thinks it's getting weaker and here is where they might be right.

Tampa is losing Killorn, a year after losing Palat, McDonough and Rutta.

Boston is old as dirt and in complete cap hell.

Florida went to the final but it doesn't sound like they will be healthy to start the year

Ottawa is losing Debrincat

Montreal, Detroit and Buffalo are not threats.

Toronto sees the Atlantic as getting weaker, they see themselves as the favorite to win the division and potentially finish 1st in the eastern conference.

And in that case they might be right, the Atlantic does look weaker, it does look up for grabs.

I think they want top spot to put themselves in what they view as the best position to win.

Say goo bye to that 28th overall pick.

Really doesn't matter what other teams look like, the Leafs have proven time and time again, they can't play playoff hockey for more than a game or 2

 

[rumman]

Here is the case for keeping the core.

There are 2 reasons for keeping the core.

#1 Brad hasn't been here, he wants to see if he can put the right pieces around this coreso he's going to take 1 season and he's going to f*** around and find out.

The reason he might have to try is that he does have some cap space so let's see.

The 2nd reason is because management, and when I say management I mean everybody.

Management looks at the Atlantic and thinks it's getting weaker and here is where they might be right.

Tampa is losing Killorn, a year after losing Palat, McDonough and Rutta.

Boston is old as dirt and in complete cap hell.

Florida went to the final but it doesn't sound like they will be healthy to start the year

Ottawa is losing Debrincat

Montreal, Detroit and Buffalo are not threats.

Toronto sees the Atlantic as getting weaker, they see themselves as the favorite to win the division and potentially finish 1st in the eastern conference.

And in that case they might be right, the Atlantic does look weaker, it does look up for grabs.

I think they want top spot to put themselves in what they view as the best position to win.

Say goo bye to that 28th overall pick.

great plan, if the goal is to win the President's trophy, otherwise sounds like same shit different day. I thought winning the cup was the goal???????????

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

great plan, if the goal is to win the President's trophy, otherwise sounds like same shit different day. I thought winning the cup was the goal???????????

I think it is, and I think they think this team can make a run with the Atlantic getting weaker

 

[myleafs]

I think it is, and I think they think this team can make a run with the Atlantic getting weaker

Wasnt Boton and Tampa supposed to fall off a cliff like 3 yrs ago? Counting on other teams getting weaker doesnt seem like the best course of action. Does anyone who watched the finals think the leafs can compete against teams like that when it counts?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think it is, and I think they think this team can make a run with the Atlantic getting weaker

wash rinse repeat

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Wasnt Boton and Tampa supposed to fall off a cliff like 3 yrs ago? Counting on other teams getting weaker doesnt seem like the best course of action. Does anyone who watched the finals think the leafs can compete against teams like that when it counts?

Tampa? No they were winning cups 3 years ago.

When it comes to Boston I think they are looking at the age of their top 2 centers, their cap situation, which is horrific and they think the fall is coming

wash rinse repeat

Looks like it for at least 1 more year.

 

[rumman]

Wasnt Boton and Tampa supposed to fall off a cliff like 3 yrs ago? Counting on other teams getting weaker doesnt seem like the best course of action. Does anyone who watched the finals think the leafs can compete against teams like that when it counts?

No. No they can’t come anywhere close to matching the compete we witness every cup final, cold fact……….

 

[rumman]

I think it is, and I think they think this team can make a run with the Atlantic getting weaker

based on what? The division getting weaker? I’d say making your team better is a more proactive way to ensure success as opposed to hope everyone around you gets worse, perhaps they should become a AHL team, maybe they could win at that level of hockey, but who knows with their indifference to winning maybe even a Calder cup is beyond their grasp?

wash rinse repeat

 

[sunstersun]

Case for bringing back the core: 1 series win in 7 years.

Case against bring back the core: 1 series win in 7 years.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Case for bringing back the core: 1 series win in 7 years.

Case against bring back the core: 1 series win in 7 years.

Give them more money and hell bring Keefe back . Losing is ok as long as they care

 

[thewave]

Case for bringing back the core: 1 series win in 7 years.

Case against bring back the core: 1 series win in 7 years.

The team doesn't even stick up for each other. Tells you all you need to know. Could probably slash Marners leg in two AND the rest of the team would skate off by the bench.

Honestly think the kids arent very respected by the lower paid players and rentals. Very much just a whatever there is no future for pay raises here with these guys demands.

Toronto is a 5 star hotel organization. You come by eat the caviar get paid and leave. The big guys get all the money and special treatment

 

[rumman]

The team doesn't even stick up for each other. Tells you all you need to know. Could probably slash Marners leg in two AND the rest of the team would skate off by the bench.

Honestly think the kids arent very respected by the lower paid players and rentals. Very much just a whatever there is no future for pay raises here with these guys demands.

Toronto is a 5 star hotel organization. You come by eat the caviar get paid and leave. The big guys get all the money and special treatment

The Leaf elites get treated like the university crowd by the townies in a small town, that is to say no respect given you entitled brats………..

 

[sunstersun]

There's a concept of forcing in the playoffs, where the play gets tight and the cute stuff goes away. Matthews has an elite shot when his wrists aren't injured and can force goals by beating the goalie. Nylander is big, has game breaking speed/break-in abilities along with a shot that can beat the goalie. Honestly I'm not quite sure with Matthews in the playoffs.

None of our players have that physical component to them sadly.

Nylander has played better than Matthews and Marner in the playoffs.

Marner in the playoffs has what sort of forcing abilities? He is slow, small, weak shot(never going to beat goalie 1 on 1) and his cute shit that works in the regular season becomes turnovers in the playoffs.



Keep the clutch player.

 

[ULF_55]

Well they know what doesn't work.

Keep the Core, change the game plan.

Has Keefe learned anything?

Has Treliving learned anything?

Hopefully, Treliving leaves his losing in Calgary, and Keefe leaves his losing in 2023.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

If Vegas was as married to their players as we seem to be, they'd be sitting comfy in 18th place right now.

Be bold.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

So odd that we removed the architect of the team but kept all the important ingridents he put together. I really don't want to see them run it back again we should have more than enough evidence at this stage.

Anyway the offseason is still brand new I won't get pre-mad yet.

 

[Trapper]

Well they know what doesn't work.

Keep the Core, change the game plan.

Has Keefe learned anything?

Has Treliving learned anything?

Hopefully, Treliving leaves his losing in Calgary, and Keefe leaves his losing in 2023.

Treliving deserves his chance and I will reserve judgement until I see his plan.

That being said, we had one GM (Dubas) who had Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares and managed 1 playoff win in 6 tries. On top of that, his salaries were often questioned.

Drafting: mixed bag.

Enter Treliving who had Tkachuk/Gaudreau/Lindholm/Bennett and managed to get to the 2nd round twice.

I’m terms if his salaries vs. Dubas, he gave Huberdaeau 10.5 (Nylander?) and Kadri 7 (if you like that or not).

Drafting: mixed bag.

And now we are here. Waiting to see the results of the chance given mostly doing the same thing.

A tale of two cities.

 

[Zack47]

They won't win with this core. But I would love to be wrong. Problem is financial, more than heart, or playoff productivity. It is a problem you can't beat: the bottom 8 at forward get weaker by the year, and no one seems to see that the imbalance on the ice between the core 4 and everyone else makes us too easy to defend. Have to spread out the scoring more, but we won't.

And if we sign Matthews and Marner both, the problem gets bigger. There is no magic solution here. Cheaper players, on average, are cheaper for a reason..

 

[ToneDog]

Treliving deserves his chance and I will reserve judgement until I see his plan.

That being said, we had one GM (Dubas) who had Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares and managed 1 playoff win in 6 tries. On top of that, his salaries were often questioned.

Drafting: mixed bag.

Enter Treliving who had Tkachuk/Gaudreau/Lindholm/Bennett and managed to get to the 2nd round twice.

I’m terms if his salaries vs. Dubas, he gave Huberdaeau 10.5 (Nylander?) and Kadri 7 (if you like that or not).

Drafting: mixed bag.

And now we are here. Waiting to see the results of the chance given mostly doing the same thing.

A tale of two cities.

As far as the Huberdeau deal goes, Flames management just watched two stars want out of Calgary. Facing the pressure of Huberdeau walking for nothing, he overpaid for him to stay. Same excuses won't fly here for Tre. He needs to be sharp or he won't last here.

 

[Mess]

I'm willing to let others in on my clairvoyant skills and leak the secret Shan-a-plan 2.0 as to what is the current thinking.

#1) The Leafs have some talented players and high end talent is hard to find and you do need it on teams with Cup winning aspirations. The 3 Amigo's Auston, Mitch and Willy along with Morgan Rielly make up the core group and they're all self drafted and develop successful prior Leaf draft picks. Cup success is often driven by strong drafting as your core players,

#2) Leafs Salary Cap Status now and going forward

This season 2023-24 the Cap ceiling is only going up +$1 million. However 2024-25 Cap increase +$4 million & 2025-26 Cap increase +4.5 mil.
So over the course of the next 3 season the Salary Cap ceiling is projected to rise by + $9.5 mil total combined.

#3) Contract player status of core players.

2024-25 Cap increase +$4 million
Auston Matthews -- New Contract 2024-25 -- $11.634 mil AAV -----> $13.5 mil AAV [~+$2 mil raise]
William Nylander -- New Contract 2024-25 -- $ 6.962 mil AAV ------> $9.0 mil AAV [~+$2 mil raise]

2025-26 Cap increase +4.5 million
Mitch Marner - New Contract 2025-26 -- $10.903 mil AAV ------------> $12.5 mil AAV [~+$1.5 mil raise]
John Tavares -- New Contract 2025-26 -- $11.0 mil AAV ---------------> $6.5 mil AAV [~-$4.5 mil paycut]

The plan being Matthews and Nylander next contracts absorbed by Cap increase of 2024-25 & then the paycut of an aging Tavares re-signed and the raise of Marner offset by the Cap increase of 2025-26.

So keeping the core 4 together going forward and now an ever increasing Salary Cap ceiling creating more cap space to build a competitive team around this core group was the previous plan and still the play.

 

[Racer88]

Here is the case for keeping the core.

There are 2 reasons for keeping the core.

#1 Brad hasn't been here, he wants to see if he can put the right pieces around this coreso he's going to take 1 season and he's going to f*** around and find out.

The reason he might have to try is that he does have some cap space so let's see.

The 2nd reason is because management, and when I say management I mean everybody.

Management looks at the Atlantic and thinks it's getting weaker and here is where they might be right.

Tampa is losing Killorn, a year after losing Palat, McDonough and Rutta.

Boston is old as dirt and in complete cap hell.

Florida went to the final but it doesn't sound like they will be healthy to start the year

Ottawa is losing Debrincat

Montreal, Detroit and Buffalo are not threats.

Toronto sees the Atlantic as getting weaker, they see themselves as the favorite to win the division and potentially finish 1st in the eastern conference.

And in that case they might be right, the Atlantic does look weaker, it does look up for grabs.

I think they want top spot to put themselves in what they view as the best position to win.

Say goo bye to that 28th overall pick.

What a great business model and team building model…….just wait until you competition gets weaker……….the hell with making your own team a winner let’s let the others back up to us.
Great plan, this is why the Leafs have no cups in 56 years an 1 single round win in 20 years

 

[57 Years No Cup]

What a great business model and team building model…….just wait until you competition gets weaker……….the hell with making your own team a winner let’s let the others back up to us.
Great plan, this is why the Leafs have no cups in 56 years an 1 single round win in 20 years

There's been posters here claiming Boston and TB would take a step back for years.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What a great business model and team building model…….just wait until you competition gets weaker……….the hell with making your own team a winner let’s let the others back up to us.
Great plan, this is why the Leafs have no cups in 56 years an 1 single round win in 20 years

Never said I agreed with it but I do think that's the mind set.