The Case For Bringing Back The Core

[Trapper]

This is such a cop-out
They've been "learning how to win" for 7 years now. You can't teach hating to lose and playing with playofff intensity. They don't play as a team, they don't stand up for eachother and they're entitled. Keefe's go to answer - play them even more!!!
The unlucky thing - please!

If something happens once, it’s an anomaly.
If something happens a couple of times, it’s a pattern.
If something happens repeatedly, it’s the norm.

 

[Racer88]

Vegas just won after bringing back the core. Funny how that happens.

Bringing a core back is not the issue, bringing this core back is the issue

 

[TheGreenTBer]

This is such a cop-out
They've been "learning how to win" for 7 years now. You can't teach hating to lose and playing with playofff intensity. They don't play as a team, they don't stand up for eachother and they're entitled. Keefe's go to answer - play them even more!!!
The unlucky thing - please!

I will never understand why anyone would be emotionally attached to these turdnuggets or the GM that played a role in making them into turdnuggets.

Everything about them makes me want to vomit. Except Rielly. He's the only one that appears to care more about the team than himself. Nylander...sometimes he cares at least.

 

[Fogelhund]

This is such a cop-out
They've been "learning how to win" for 7 years now. You can't teach hating to lose and playing with playofff intensity. They don't play as a team, they don't stand up for eachother and they're entitled. Keefe's go to answer - play them even more!!!
The unlucky thing - please!

That's cute, but incredibly simplistic. Do you believe that the three of Matthews, Nylander and Marner collectively have improved their overall play over the years?

 

[rumman]

Eichel? Pietrangelo?

Pacioretty and Fleury were both a part of their recent core and were removed.

Vegas would turn their core upside down if they lost the way Toronto has. Their management group is aggressive and doesn't care much about feelings.

Bingo………

 

[KPower]

If you can improve the team by trading one or more of the core you do it. If you can’t you keep them.

 

[rumman]

Why play in the finals when you can just talk about how you would have beat everyone with the expected goals and the all-star players. The just pay them even more. Vegas is the foolish team. Is Eichel getting paid anymore in the next 2 years? Nope. Sucker.

Winner winner chicken dinner……..

The definition of insanity /the quote doesn't apply here since % and odds do.

At the same time, it's madness to expect better results with this core.
It's that bit of possibility / hope that makes this madness rather than insanity.

 

[rumman]

If something happens once, it’s an anomaly.
If something happens a couple of times, it’s a pattern.
If something happens repeatedly, it’s the norm.

Exactly……

If you can improve the team by trading one or more of the core you do it. If you can’t you keep them.

Ah, the elusive argument of logic, rarely used among many here………

 

[NVious]

I didn't expect YOU to know because you obviously know little of this game but Vegas missed the playoffs last year.
Duh. ROTFLMAO to you interweb children who think these kinds banal interactions give you some clout.

What does this have anything to do with anything?

You literally compared a core that had a cup finals appearance, 2 conference finals heading into this year.

You are comparing teams that were 3-5 wins away from the cup and I'm going to make this massive so you can understand

A core that in SEVEN years has had their BEST SHOWING being ELEVEN WINS AWAY FROM THE CUP

Vegas:
2 conference finals
1 cup final
Cup
All in FIVE YEARS

Leafs:
1/7 first round
1 2nd round appearance
1 win in the 2nd round with THE highest paid (core four)forwards in the league
7 years of this failure

Oh and fun fact;

They ALL want RAISES after their 7 pathetic years of FAILURE

 

[ACC1224]

Oh and fun fact;

They ALL want RAISES after their 7 pathetic years of FAILURE

How much is each one asking for?

 

[NVious]

How much is each one asking for?

Matthews rumored 13-14 anywhere from 3-5 years. Marner wil follow behind no doubt easy easy 12+ million. I can't imagine Willie's gonna go "ok let me get 8 then no problem," he'll probably want 10+ million.

So yeah our fail three will want to take up nearly 40 million.

 

[Notsince67]

What does this have anything to do with anything?

You literally compared a core that had a cup finals appearance, 2 conference finals heading into this year.

You are comparing teams that were 3-5 wins away from the cup and I'm going to make this massive so you can understand

A core that in SEVEN years has had their BEST SHOWING being ELEVEN WINS AWAY FROM THE CUP

Vegas:
2 conference finals
1 cup final
Cup
All in FIVE YEARS

Leafs:
1/7 first round
1 2nd round appearance
1 win in the 2nd round with THE highest paid (core four)forwards in the league
7 years of this failure

Oh and fun fact;

They ALL want RAISES after their 7 pathetic years of FAILURE

So if you can't understand that 7 years ago they were rookies and you hate this team, stop f***ing watching them and tormenting us with your issues

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Vegas just won after bringing back the core. Funny how that happens.

Are you serious?

Prior to this run, Vegas has made the finals, made the conference finals twice, gotten out in the first round once and missed the playoffs once

That right there is more success than we’ve seen in 50 years. if they ran their team back year after year no one would’ve complained

Instead they acquired eichel and pietrangalo, moved out fleury, changed from Lehner to Thompson.

they moved tuch, krebs, shmidt, pacioretty

Their “core” also makes much much less
Stone: 9.5
Stephenson: 2.75
Marchessault: 5
Karlsson: 5.9
Smith: 5
Theodore: 5.2

That’s 33.35 which is less than we pay our 4 guys. They added pietrangelo and eichel to that. We struggle to add a rookie ELC on to our team because of our cap situation.

These are not similar comparables

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Shanny to the MLSE Executives

 

[ACC1224]

Matthews rumored 13-14 anywhere from 3-5 years. Marner wil follow behind no doubt easy easy 12+ million. I can't imagine Willie's gonna go "ok let me get 8 then no problem," he'll probably want 10+ million.

So yeah our fail three will want to take up nearly 40 million.

Sounds like you've just made this all up to justify your anger at the players.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That's cute, but incredibly simplistic. Do you believe that the three of Matthews, Nylander and Marner collectively have improved their overall play over the years?

In the regular season, sure. With AM having an off-year this year and injury concerns
No simplistic is doing the same thing over and over again because of fear of trying something different.

 

[Fogelhund]

In the regular season, sure. With AM having an off-year this year and injury concerns
No simplistic is doing the same thing over and over again because of fear of trying something different.

I get what you are saying, but don't believe that they've done the same thing over and over again. Next years team will have five players left from 2019-20.... there has been substantial changes. That's more turnover than Vegas.. who just won the cup.

Sure, it's about making the right changes.

Over a similar period... Colorado stuck with MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Makar, their core... and they changed the pieces around, until they won.

We could do the same thing for every team.

Teams who win.. rarely move their elite pieces, but do change the pieces around, until they find something that works.

I don't think that moving Marner, Matthews, or Nylander is wise... if Matthews is healthy and if their next contract demands will allow us to build a team around them.

Tavares... hmmm... I don't think he can be moved. I mean... I'd love the cap space though, and I don't think he's a negative asset at all. There are teams that needs a C, and Tavares despite his weaknesses is still a PPG C.. for example.. Columbus NEEDS a C like Tavares, and I'd bet they'd pay pretty well for it... and it would give us cap space... but they likely don't ask him to waive, and I doubt he'd waive.

I mean, if you want change, to make change, and appreciate we'd go backwards... cool

 

[Notsince67]

Are you serious?

Prior to this run, Vegas has made the finals, made the conference finals twice, gotten out in the first round once and missed the playoffs once

That right there is more success than we’ve seen in 50 years. if they ran their team back year after year no one would’ve complained

Instead they acquired eichel and pietrangalo, moved out fleury, changed from Lehner to Thompson.

they moved tuch, krebs, shmidt, pacioretty

Their “core” also makes much much less
Stone: 9.5
Stephenson: 2.75
Marchessault: 5
Karlsson: 5.9
Smith: 5
Theodore: 5.2

That’s 33.35 which is less than we pay our 4 guys. They added pietrangelo and eichel to that. We struggle to add a rookie ELC on to our team because of our cap situation.

These are not similar comparables

They missed the playoffs last year. Stop deflecting. They ran back the core.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

They missed the playoffs last year. Stop deflecting. They ran back the core.

Firstly, nicely done ignoring all of my points

They’ve shown them promise in the past

We’ve been shown jackshit, if you can’t understand that then there’s no point in discussing as we won’t agree on anything

 

[Notsince67]

Firstly, nicely done ignoring all of my points

They’ve shown them promise in the past

We’ve been shown jackshit, if you can’t understand that then there’s no point in discussing as we won’t agree on anything

At the top of your list, Mark Stone won his first cup at 31 years old. Sounds like we have issues with consistency here.

 

[hullsy47]

If you can improve the team by trading one or more of the core you do it. If you can’t you keep them.

The problem is paying them . Do u want close to 50 million for 4 players and not 1 is a top 10 Norris candidate ?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

They missed the playoffs last year. Stop deflecting. They ran back the core.

You need to look at the context.

"Alec Martinez missed 57 games, Eichel 39 as a Golden Knight and 49 overall, Stone 46, Pacioretty 44, and Smith 26. The Golden Knights will have zero players play in all 82 games this season."

They were decimated with injuries to the core players. Even then Pacioretty was removed and the coach got changed.

No one is saying change the core every year. But you certainly should after years of subpar playoff results.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

At the top of your list, Mark Stone won his first cup at 31 years old. Sounds like we have issues with consistency here.

How many conference finals has he made?
How many second rounds has he made?

It’s almost as if you just don’t know how to read

 

[mikeyz]

How many conference finals has he made?
How many second rounds has he made?

It’s almost as if you just don’t know how to read

I am starting to think he's a certain forbidden 5 letter word that starts with the letter T on here.

Nobody can possibly be this clueless about the state of this team right now.

 

[myleafs]

I didn't expect YOU to know because you obviously know little of this game but Vegas missed the playoffs last year.
Duh. ROTFLMAO to you interweb children who think these kinds banal interactions give you some clout.

They ran back last years non playoff team

Curious , how did they do the previous 5 yrs in comparison to the leafs?