Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Suspensions?? That's absurd.

So they will announce that "player x" gets 50 game suspension because of this and that... And then "player y" gets 25 games cause of this and that... "Player z" gets only 5 games cause....etc etc???

This is friggin bizzare if this happens.

How about just straight up, these 5 players were involved and will now be criminally charged and most likely the teams will give the players the boot and no other team in the NHL will ever sign them... This suspension nonsense is strange

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Second chances/forgiveness were part of a society that doesn't exist anymore.

Nothing these players ever say or do will be enough for the mob so its in their best interests to move to another country in a new career or hockey league. Even if he chose another career at home the cult members will track him down and boycott the employer until hes fired.

This mob tangent thing you’re on is a little strange. Most people don’t want to support a league that has known rapists playing in it. It is a privilege to play in the NHL, not these players’ rights. Everyone deserves a second chance and they can find that in society like normal people with every day jobs. There are some things that are hard to look past because it shows what type of person they are. Maybe you don’t take rape as seriously as others, but most people consider it heinous, and it will likely tarnish a person’s reputation and life. You know how these players could have avoided getting themselves into this situation?-by not raping someone. You do things like that and you should have to deal with consequences

 

[MXD]

Suspensions?? That's absurd.

So they will announce that "player x" gets 50 game suspension because of this and that... And then "player y" gets 25 games cause of this and that... "Player z" gets only 5 games cause....etc etc???

This is friggin bizzare if this happens.

How about just straight up, these 5 players were involved and will now be criminally charged and most likely the teams will give the players the boot and no other team in the NHL will ever sign them... This suspension nonsense is strange

C'mon now, should there be suspensions, it will be indefinite suspensions.

 

[God]

Would be interesting to see what happens with this and whether Quenneville/Bowman are "reinstated" by the league. I expect the player that we all know to be involved will probably be persona non grata by the NHL - the rest of them fall within the grey area of being present and doing nothing (to the best of our knowledge, of course), similar to the two execs.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

C'mon now, should there be suspensions, it will be indefinite suspensions.

Ya if there is a suspension, I would assume it's basically a suspension forever... Basically a ban from the league

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Suspensions?? That's absurd.

So they will announce that "player x" gets 50 game suspension because of this and that... And then "player y" gets 25 games cause of this and that... "Player z" gets only 5 games cause....etc etc???

This is friggin bizzare if this happens.

How about just straight up, these 5 players were involved and will now be criminally charged and most likely the teams will give the players the boot and no other team in the NHL will ever sign them... This suspension nonsense is strange

What HC concludes from their investigation won't necessarily mean that criminal charges will be pursued, AFAIK.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the league suspend them (if suspension there is) for the entirety of next season (or half) and then after that it will be up to owners I guess to decide if they want to take the backlash or not. Doubt we'll see different lengths for different players - unless evidence that HC found really points to one player doing much worse than the others.

 

[Byron Bitz]

After the Kyle Beach scandal the league is gonna make an example of these players. They really don’t want a reputation as a league that doesn’t take sexual assault seriously. Any player who was in that hotel room’s nhl career is over.

 

[sxvnert]

This mob tangent thing you’re on is a little strange. Most people don’t want to support a league that has known rapists playing in it. It is a privilege to play in the NHL, not these players’ rights. Everyone deserves a second chance and they can find that in society like normal people with every day jobs. There are some things that are hard to look beyond because it shows what type of person they are. Maybe you don’t take rape as seriously as others, but most people consider it heinous, and it will likely tarnish a person’s reputation and life. You know how these players could have avoided getting themselves into this situation?-by not raping someone. You do things like that and you should have to deal with consequences

No one is suggesting giving these players a pass IF they're actually guilty of anything. The fact that the entire investigation hasn't been brought before a court of law raises massive red flags. Instead they choose to drag this entire ordeal out for years while the media/mob slowly leak out info to ensure a fair trial (if one would even happen) isn't possible, maximizing damage to anyone involved.

 

[sxvnert]

What HC concludes from their investigation won't necessarily mean that criminal charges will be pursued, AFAIK.

Doesn't that raise a single red flag for anyone? If a crime was committed then how on earth can an entire police department + lawyers not find a charge to fit the crime.

 

[sharknado]

No one is suggesting giving these players a pass IF they're actually guilty of anything. The fact that the entire investigation hasn't been brought before a court of law raises massive red flags. Instead they choose to drag this entire ordeal out for years while the media/mob slowly leak out info to ensure a fair trial (if one would even happen) isn't possible, maximizing damage to anyone involved.

Huh? Who decides if a rape should be investigated by the authorities or not?

 

[MXD]

No one is suggesting giving these players a pass IF they're actually guilty of anything. The fact that the entire investigation hasn't been brought before a court of law raises massive red flags. Instead they choose to drag this entire ordeal out for years while the media/mob slowly leak out info to ensure a fair trial (if one would even happen) isn't possible, maximizing damage to anyone involved.

...At least you're convincing yourself.

 

[Cas]

No one is suggesting giving these players a pass IF they're actually guilty of anything. The fact that the entire investigation hasn't been brought before a court of law raises massive red flags. Instead they choose to drag this entire ordeal out for years while the media/mob slowly leak out info to ensure a fair trial (if one would even happen) isn't possible, maximizing damage to anyone involved.

Exactly how is the NHL supposed to bring this case before a court of law?

 

[Buffdog]

I'm not sure if the league could legally suspend anyone in the absence of charges and convictions

As much as many will hate to hear it, "innocent until proven guilty" is one of the bedrocks of our culture and society. The more heinous the crime (and the potential punishment), the more important it is.

I have a 20 year old son and daughters who are 18 and 14. I try to look at this scenario like a parent of both the accused and the victim. In both cases, I'd want due process to be carried out. Criminal investigations, charges and a trial.

The nature of our system is that at times guilty people will walk. That's the price we pay to make sure that innocent people aren't punished. It's a shitty trade off, but it's the one we have.

 

[Cas]

I'm not sure if the league could legally suspend anyone in the absence of charges and convictions

As much as many will hate to hear it, "innocent until proven guilty" is one of the bedrocks of our culture and society.

The league can suspend anyone for anything, provided it is not otherwise expressly prohibited.

"Innocent until proven guilty" straight-up does not apply here.

 

[sxvnert]

After the Kyle Beach scandal the league is gonna make an example of these players. They really don’t want a reputation as a league that doesn’t take sexual assault seriously. Any player who was in that hotel room’s nhl career is over.

I agree with this. IMO its an over correction from the league which will eventually lead down a path where just an accusation is enough to destroy a players career. No day in court, no defence, just life destroyed and move on.

 

[MasterofGrond]

There absolutely does not need to be criminal charges to suspend someone, lol

There are a bunch of reasons why something which may have sufficient evidence for suspension would not result in prosecutions by law enforcement, some good some bad.

 

[sxvnert]

Huh? Who decides if a rape should be investigated by the authorities or not?

Charges are filed. Investigation begins. Someone/group is charged with a crime.

 

[MXD]

I'm not sure if the league could legally suspend anyone in the absence of charges and convictions

Here, just the charges will suffice. No way the NHL will allow these guys playing if they're awaiting trial or actually on trial.


There's also the issue of teams willingness to sign these players. There's a pretty obvious one that's UFA now and who would normally have been offered a deal otherwise. Probably only waiting for the investigation to completely close and for reports.

 

[Sun God Nika]

I'm not sure if the league could legally suspend anyone in the absence of charges and convictions

As much as many will hate to hear it, "innocent until proven guilty" is one of the bedrocks of our culture and society. The more heinous the crime (and the potential punishment), the more important it is.

I have a 20 year old son and daughters who are 18 and 14. I try to look at this scenario like a parent of both the accused and the victim. In both cases, I'd want due process to be carried out. Criminal investigations, charges and a trial.

The nature of our system is that at times guilty people will walk. That's the price we pay to make sure that innocent people aren't punished. It's a shitty trade off, but it's the one we have.

Sadly sports leagues have suspended player on pending charges until the player is innocent or guilty

 

[The Kingslayer]

I hope bans happen. Its a privilege to play in the NHL. The people involved knew what they were doing they werent 6 yr old children here. Complete ban.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Doesn't that raise a single red flag for anyone? If a crime was committed then how on earth can an entire police department + lawyers not find a charge to fit the crime.

It's not exactly the same thing, and certainly not the same standard the two (HC vs law/police/etc.) will subject themselves to. The conclusion of Hockey Canada will probably be very nuanced in the terms used, probably not mentioning the word "crime" even once - I'm expecting to see terms like "misconduct" or "behaviour".

The kind of evidence HC might even have used/found in their investigation to lead to their conclusion might even be evidence that wouldn't necessarily be admissible in court.

 

[sxvnert]

There absolutely does not need to be criminal charges to suspend someone, lol

No one is suggesting that but in the case of sexual abuse (or something along those lines) charges would be laid.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I think anyone who suggests “no criminal charges means there should never be a suspension” has a lot more faith in the criminal justice system than is warranted.

No one is suggesting that but in the case of sexual abuse (or something along those lines) charges would be laid.

I think all available evidence about how the system works suggests that is absolutely not necessarily true.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

I'm not sure if the league could legally suspend anyone in the absence of charges and convictions

As much as many will hate to hear it, "innocent until proven guilty" is one of the bedrocks of our culture and society. The more heinous the crime (and the potential punishment), the more important it is.

I have a 20 year old son and daughters who are 18 and 14. I try to look at this scenario like a parent of both the accused and the victim. In both cases, I'd want due process to be carried out. Criminal investigations, charges and a trial.

The nature of our system is that at times guilty people will walk. That's the price we pay to make sure that innocent people aren't punished. It's a shitty trade off, but it's the one we have.

I don't disagree with that - but that's really only for law enforcement in a trial setting. The league can suspend players if they have even just reasonable doubt to believe something might have happened and that it may tarnish and/or hurt their business - and they've done it previously.

 

[SI90]

What roster is this from? 2018 WJ team?