Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[sxvnert]

Do do you think a rape didn’t occur?

I'm waiting for the final report to come out before I make my decision.

I'm personally hoping it goes to trial. If the league is hell bent on fixing its horrible reputation then an open trial (even if her identity is kept hidden) is easily possible. If the new investigation contradicts the original 2018 investigation then begin an investigation into the officers involved 2018.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

And being charged is a very, very obvious case of "existence of a reasonable doubt".

in that sense true i guess

 

[A1LeafNation]

Huh? Who decides if a rape should be investigated by the authorities or not?

The victim who takes the money.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I'm personally hoping it goes to trial. If the league is hell bent on fixing its horrible reputation then an open trial (even if her identity is kept hidden) is easily possible.

This... is not how criminal trials work.

 

[MasterofGrond]

RAPE would lead to charges.

This is one of the most naive positions I’ve ever seen.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Quote me later if you like, but I've been saying this all along...

The names will never be released and the players will never officially get punished.

I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[sxvnert]

This... is not how criminal trials work.

So if person X is accused of rape, cops arrested said individual, a trial doesn't take place afterwards?

This is one of the most naive positions I’ve ever seen.

Obviously if its a he said, she said type situation, its difficult to prove but there's tons of evidence and witnesses in this trial.

 

[WarriorofTime]

So if person X is accused of rape, cops arrested said individual, a trial doesn't take place afterwards?

Look it up yourself, what you described is something else.

 

[LokiDog]

These are that user posts in this thread :







You're reading in stuff his posts, adding words and concepts that were never there, AND on top of that, you're calling me out for misunderstanding what's written. That's pretty bold.

After that, you'll forgive me for not really bothering about whatever you wrote after your first two lines.

I confused the poster you quoted with a more rationale poster (who other people, not yourself, seemed to be unable to understand), who said:

I said don’t release details to the public. Where did I say any perpetrator should escape appropriate sanctions both civil and criminal. This is a serious issue and punishment can be handed out without us knowing the specifics of who did what to who that frankly we shouldn’t be privy to.



Again I said don’t release details of their specific actions. We will know who they are when they are suspended and perhaps sentenced. I never said hide their identities.



Yes. This has gotten so much publicity the poor girl will never live it down. The sentencing and suspensions will tell us enough about the culpable parties. I’d just like to see the actual victim have a chance to avoid reliving this for the rest of her life if that’s even possible anymore.

And I agree with this poster, though it appears several do not. Somewhere in the jumble of people arguing, I just thought your post was the most recent of people disagreeing with him, and wasn’t really sure why what he was saying was difficult for some people to understand. The user you were responding to wasn’t the person I thought.

 

[sxvnert]

Quote me later if you like, but I've been saying this all along...

The names will never be released and the players will never officially get punished.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Horrible look for the league if thats the case. There needs to be a finality to this so everyone can move on.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

So if person X is accused of rape, cops arrested said individual, a trial doesn't take place afterwards?


Obviously if its a he said, she said type situation, its difficult to prove but there's tons of evidence and witnesses in this trial.

Rape is complicated. As said before it is very difficult to prosecute because it is often he said she said. There are highly psychological components to rape which make the way and time it comes to light differ. It’s is extremely demeaning, to say the least, and many victims never even come forward because of embarrassment and potential fallout

As regards to your post about waiting for the report to come out before making a decision if there was a rape or not, that is literally what everyone is doing. There are lots of variables that affect a case like this and how it moves forth. All we, as fans, know is that something is about to be released. I certainly hope it goes to a criminal court if it can, but it is naive to rely solely on a criminal court in rape cases.

 

[Heldig]

Baseball suspended a Cy Young winning pitcher (Trevor Bauer) for 2 years over sexual assault allegations.

Major League Baseball suspended Bauer for two years on Friday for violating the league’s domestic violence and sexual assault policy. The suspension covers 324 games, without pay, and runs into the 2024 season. Bauer, 31, had been on administrative leave with pay since last July 2, and because he did not reach an agreement on a penalty, he was not given credit retroactively for time served.

 

[MXD]

I confused the poster you quoted with a more rationale poster (who other people, not yourself, seemed to be unable to understand), who said:



And I agree with this poster, though it appears several do not. Somewhere in the jumble of people arguing, I just thought your post was the most recent of people disagreeing with him, and wasn’t really sure why what he was saying was difficult for some people to understand. The user you were responding to wasn’t the person I thought.

Fair enough, explanation accepted.

I absolutely don't disagree with what you've quoted by the way.

 

[sxvnert]

I certainly hope it goes to a criminal court if it can, but it is naive to rely solely on a criminal court in rape cases.

Obviously nothing is perfect but back door investigation, closed and reopened cases after public pressure, dripping out information,etc is extremely suspicious and will always come across as an exercise in someone/organizations CYA. This feels like the Beach fiasco all over again with a few sad attempts to appear legitimate.

 

[Buffdog]

The league can suspend anyone for anything, provided it is not otherwise expressly prohibited.

"Innocent until proven guilty" straight-up does not apply here.

Are you sure? Certainly labour laws would apply

If a player makes racist remarks, that’s not against the law in America. Zero possibility of criminal charges. Should the league be able to suspend them?

There are very valid reasons why the league disciplinary process can not and should not mirror law enforcements.

Makes racist remarks on record? There is audio and video proof?

Or "allegedly" makes racist remarks?

They aren't the same

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Are they ever going to name and shame these scumbags?

 

[Buffdog]

So if person X is accused of rape, cops arrested said individual, a trial doesn't take place afterwards?


Obviously if its a he said, she said type situation, its difficult to prove but there's tons of evidence and witnesses in this trial.

The police would need probable cause to arrest someone for rape. They'd then take all.the evidence to the prosecutors, who would decide what charges (if any) would be pressed

So yes, you can be arrested and never charged

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Obviously nothing is perfect but back door investigation, closed and reopened cases after public pressure, dripping out information,etc is extremely suspicious and will always come across as an exercise in someone/organizations CYA. This feels like the Beach fiasco all over again with a few sad attempts to appear legitimate.

Let’s wait and see what’s released. Knowing the NHL, it will be botched, with players who should be exonerated, not exonerated, and players that should be guilty, not guilty. Basically nothing happening and no resolve

Regarding the leaks, that is a part of the social media reporting age. I also agree it is a problem with people trying to get clicks or be the first to release info. It’s just the nature of the beast though in modern times

Personally, I think something happened, you seem to think nothing happened. That’s fine. We both agree that we need to be patient and wait for the report. I’m not holding my pitchfork, but it is nearby. If it strongly appears something happened, I want the hammer to fall, whether in criminal court ideally, or the league taking action. It’s useless to speculate as to what happened, or didn’t happen until we get more info. There are many directions this thing can go so all we can do now is wait

 

[Sabre the Win]

Baseball suspended a Cy Young winning pitcher (Trevor Bauer) for 2 years over sexual assault allegations.

Major League Baseball suspended Bauer for two years on Friday for violating the league’s domestic violence and sexual assault policy. The suspension covers 324 games, without pay, and runs into the 2024 season. Bauer, 31, had been on administrative leave with pay since last July 2, and because he did not reach an agreement on a penalty, he was not given credit retroactively for time served.

His charges for those allegations were dropped against him. They suspended him just on allegations, the MLB has had it out for him mostly for whistleblowing the MLB's use of sticky stuff on pitchers.

I don't think Bauer and Hockey Canada are good comparables.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

It’s sad that there’s so many people on this forum more concerned about an imaginary culture war against the “woke mob” than the actual transgression itself

 

[ORRFForever]

Expecting 20 pages of:

Hang them all! Bankrupt their families! Ensure a treacherous life for the next three generations!

Exactly. And it's the same posters who have been spewing this bile for a year plus.

People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I hope everyone lawyers up and there are endless lawsuits.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Exactly. And it's the same posters who have been spewing this bile for a year plus.

I know right! Like that one guy who said he was proud of team Canada and all the executives involved. Remember that?

 

[ORRFForever]

I know right! Like that one guy who said he was proud of team Canada and all the executives involved. Remember that?

At least he had common sense.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Exactly. At least he had common sense.

Nah not even close. He ended up siding with the organization that covered up rapes and then doubled down by saying he was proud of them.

That’s some pretty heinous shit. That’s not common sense. Complete lack of empathy.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Sooooo, people here are defending a group of creepy, entitled, drunken, sweaty morons all huddling together naked on one bed around a girl in a state of being barely able to take care of herself? Yeah, that's not a weird f***ing hill to die on.