Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[Troy McClure]

As a law enforcement officer, I can quite clearly state that it does exist.

But we aren't talking about law enforcement. We're talking about a private business making personnel decisions.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Kyrie Irving - NBA - Nets - suspended a month or so for public antisemitism - no charges filed

Kuznetsov - NHL - Capitals - suspended a few games for being in a video with cocaine - no charges filed

Zeke Elliott - NFL - Cowboys - suspended six games for domestic violence - no criminal charges

These are off the top of my head.

Ja Morant of the NBA's Memphis Grizzlies was just suspended for 25 games for shooting a Tik Tok in his car where he flashed a gun for half a second. No charges. Perfectly legal in Tennesse.

Fwiw he's a superstar/top 10 player/best player on an elite team

Hardly comparable, these players were active NBA/NHL/NFL players at the time of their transgressions who created large distractions for their teams/league. Action was unavoidable

Imo it would be almost weird for NHL to suspend these players if nothing criminal comes from this.

Almost like the league would be doing it to virtue signal

 

[My3Sons]

I think there are fundamental differences between junior hockey and the other sports, the small towns, the traveling, the education, the affluence of the parents as just a few. I think a 16 year old hockey player may be a bigger swinging dick in Red Deer than the 4 star high school quarterback in NYC committed to Alabama. Jocks aren’t known for their education, but i especially question the type of education that junior hockey players get. Hockey is expensive and parents will often be more affluent and have more sway in their small town. Small towns don’t have as much going on and a 16 year old can be a bigger celebrity than the baseball player in Miami. A stronger dude bro culture and good ole boy culture seems ingrained in hockey compared to other sports.

Junior hockey is built differently than other amateur sports. You are welcome to think there isn’t a problem with it, but I disagree. We aren’t going to change each other’s minds so it’s pointless to go on

As if Saban would ever settle for a 4 star recruit at QB. Especially one from up north.

Just teasing. You make some good points.

 

[BadgerBruce]

I’m not going to chime in on what could/should/will/won’t happen once the league’s report is released.

What I will offer is that who (be it a person or an entity) undertakes the investigation always matters. In this case, that would be the NHL’s executive vice president and chief security officer, Jared Maples.

Maples was the director of New Jersey’s Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness from 2017-21, and prior to that served two years at the Department of Defense and 10 years at the Central Intelligence Agency.

This is not the same as having some “3rd party independent law firm” handle things. Maples’ background is law enforcement, through and through. I’d expect his report to reflect this background.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Of course if players are found guilty, they should be punished. I'm not sure why anyone would disagree with this.

However; the fact that Hockey Canada will face absolutely zero repercussions from this, be suspended from zero international competitions, etc. shows that nobody really cares about justice being served.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

A man sees his female neighbor collecting her mail on an empty street. He walks over and tells her he’ll gouge her eyes out and blind her if she doesn’t come with him. She goes with him. She reports the rape. He says it was consensual. There are no witnesses. It is impossible to convict him

Is this not a rape? It is generally a positive thing that the courts hold guilt beyond a reasonable doubt for crimes. In 99% of them it is the noble route to take. However it fails badly with sexual assaults. There is often no hard proof. If the report is released and things look really bad, but there isn’t enough to get a conviction, you best believe the NHL will want to protect their image. Especially with this growing the game stuff. To employ people in a highly public way when the public believes theyre rapists is Pejorative Slured. If these guys didn’t do anything shady the report will most likely exonerate them

 

[Xerloris]

This would lead me to believe that these teams already know their players were involved and choose to keep them anyway. That stanks of the Hawks covering up that sexual assault. The execs of the team that "are preparing" should also be suspended and or fired for knowing and doing nothing.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This would lead me to believe that these teams already know their players were involved and choose to keep them anyway. That stanks of the Hawks covering up that sexual assault. The execs of the team that "are preparing" should also be suspended and or fired for knowing and doing nothing.

Not sure what you mean, what leads you to believe the teams know?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

So, no word I take it ?

 

[Bocephus86]

There's another thing I've noticed going on in this thread:

Most people are saying that IF the NHL report concludes that players xyz did abc then they have the power to suspend these players even if there are no formal criminal charges. This was a battle line for some reason, and that goal post has been moved to the NHL can do it if they have evidence something 'bad' happened (that second part has already been acknowledged).

I am also seeing the 'counter' crowd trying to say that the first set of people are already calling for suspensions and calling players rapists. I haven't seen one poster call any player a rapist today. They are talking about the likelihood of the report (and acknowledging some of the already public information, it certainly looks bad for whatever players are involved).

What I am seeing is a battle around the hypothetical situation where the NHL finds enough to suspend/ban xyz player but where there isn't enough to charge the players with a crime. This is odd to me as it seems that most people agree that is in the leagues power. That also explains why the 'other' side wants to muddy this discussion by pretending that players are already suspended, basically.

Maybe that is a tacit acknowledgement that their argument isn't really a good one, since there seems to be a fake scenario being argued against (or a strawman, as its called).