Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[Jacob]

I guess this is "speculating" but I won't mention any names, but a few guys on that team didn't get QOs this summer, one was definitely for financial reasons but 3 of them would've been really cheap QOs and there didn't seem to be any obvious reason not to QO them. Wonder if there's a correlation.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Lawyers, union officials, feelings, narratives - I’ve just glimpsed the hell that awaits me and it’s this thread

Rapists, fragile male egos and "boys will be boys"attitude.........is a much lower level of hell.

 

[pcruz]

I guess this is "speculating" but I won't mention any names, but a few guys on that team didn't get QOs this summer, one was definitely for financial reasons but 3 of them would've been really cheap QOs and there didn't seem to be any obvious reason not to QO them. Wonder if there's a correlation.

Rapists, fragile male egos and "boys will be boys"attitude.........is a much lower level of hell.

For those of you still in limbo on this matter, let me quote the link I posted previously.


MisidentificationEdit

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing, Tripathi was one of several people misidentified as a suspect by users on social media. On April 16, 2013, one day after the bombings, Reddit users created a subreddit named r/findbostonbombers with the intention of consolidating the information surrounding the events of the bombings in an attempt to identify the culprits of the attack.[4] By Wednesday, April 17, over 3000 people had joined the subreddit in order to crowdsource the investigation of the evidence.[5] At 5:00 p.m. on April 18, the Federal Bureau of Investigation published photos of the suspects believed to be involved in the bombings.[6] Soon after, another Redditor named Sunil as a plausible suspect after asserting a resemblance between the suspects in the FBI's pictures and Sunil, who had gone missing a month before the bombings. Although this behavior violated the subreddit's rule that prohibited naming suspects without evidence, the moderators did not delete the post. To further the speculation behind Tripathi, a woman claiming to be his classmate tweeted that she too thought Tripathi resembled a suspect in the FBI's photographs.[7]

Soon after the release of the photos, people began trying to contact the Tripathi family, through phone calls on ABC News, as well as angry messages on Tripathi's Facebook page, dedicated to finding Sunil.[8] At 11 p.m. on the same day, the real bombing suspects (Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev) shot and killed a police officer of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Police Department.[9] The following day at 2:45 a.m., a redditor reposted a tweet by twitter user "Greg Hughes": "BPD has identified the names: Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta. Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi."[10] This caught the mainstream media's attention after BuzzFeed reporter Andrew Kaczynski shared a tweet that named Sunil as the primary suspect from his personal Twitter account.[10] According to the BBC, Tripathi had soon become the "standout suspect" on social media before the FBI identified the real suspects to be the Tsarnaev brothers.[11] Sunil was found dead on April 23.[12] Mulugeta was an unrelated person whose last name was spelled out in the Boston Police scanner that night, and whose first name was never confirmed to be "Mike." Tripathi's name was never mentioned in the scanner.[10][13]

ReactionEdit​

The misidentification of Tripathi led to questions in the media about whether the so-called "crowd-sourced investigations" should be prevented in the future, citing the harm caused to people such as the relatives of Tripathi, as well as other wrongly-identified suspects who then feared for their safety. Some argued that they are unstoppable because of the nature of the Internet, with the only hope being that awareness of the possible effects of errors such as this would lead to future caution.[11] Reddit issued a public apology for allowing its users to form a subcommunity called FindBostonBombers, wherein they openly speculated upon suspects.[14]

Posting on Facebook, Tripathi's family described the tremendous amount of attention the misidentification had caused as painful, but they sought to use the negative publicity of the case to assist in their search by raising awareness.[11]

 

[spintheblackcircle]

For those of you still in limbo on this matter,

For those of you still in limbo on this matter:

Rape is one of the most underreported crimes—here’s why

CLARKSBURG, W.Va. (WBOY) — The latest abortion bill in the West Virginia legislature includes exceptions in the cases of rape or incest, but only if the victim reports the crime to law enforcement …

www.wvnstv.com

Despite the fact that studies estimate one in six women and one in 21 men will be a victim of attempted or completed forcible rape in their lifetimes, only 16-40% of rapes are reported to law enforcement.

So, given that hundreds of thousands of rapes happen every year and 25-60% get away with it, you will need a few hundred thousand examples of those falsely accused to make this an apples to apples.

 

[pcruz]

For those of you still in limbo on this matter:

Rape is one of the most underreported crimes—here’s why

CLARKSBURG, W.Va. (WBOY) — The latest abortion bill in the West Virginia legislature includes exceptions in the cases of rape or incest, but only if the victim reports the crime to law enforcement …

www.wvnstv.com

Despite the fact that studies estimate one in six women and one in 21 men will be a victim of attempted or completed forcible rape in their lifetimes, only 16-40% of rapes are reported to law enforcement.

So, given that hundreds of thousands of rapes happen every year and 25-60% get away with it, you will need a few hundred thousand examples of those falsely accused to make this an apples to apples.

So


Your solution is to punish anyone who may or may not have been involved in any questionable incident, whether it be real or not?
Not just punish them, but forever associate them with one of the crimes that society has never accepted as redeemable.

Without trial, without proof.
Just carpet bomb the whole lot of them.
Of course, whether innocent people get caught in the cross-fire, or whether guilty people who were not initially associated with the crime are let off the hook, doesn't matter, right?


How is that going to change both the disturbing figures of 1 in 6 women + 1 in 20 men who may experience this in their lifetime, as well as the low reporting rates of when it does happen?


You think that maybe the first step is to increase that reporting number to 100% and to start educating more people about what is and is not acceptable when interacting with one another?

Naw, can't be that.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Could the NHL suspend a player for no reason at all?
If a single player were suspended along with any others who were guilty of having done the things accused, would his life and career be salvageable in any way?

At what point would the NHL determine that they have standing and enough evidence to confidently terminate the future career of a player, if there were no conviction from a court?

In the event that an innocent player were associated with the crimes alleged, and had his career, family life, personal life, and future career obliterated; what would the satisfactory punishment be for the NHL in their defamation suit?

A conviction isn't need for a suspension. For example, Calvin Ridley, a WR in the NFL was suspended for a year for gambling. Gambling isn't a crime, yet a player in the NFL that gambles can be suspended. I think people need to get out of their minds that a person needs a conviction or that a crime needs to be committed for a suspension to occur. It doesn't. "Conduct detrimental to hockey" is overly broad for a reason.

 

[mlzy]

Your friend was part of a gang rape? Maybe you should re evaluate your friendships.

Also equating this situation to “puck bunnies lol” is kind of disturbing.

I didn’t say that she was a puck bunny, read it closer, I tried to explain that this happens all to much in junior hockey! Reading comprehension is hard but you must have missed the not guilty part!

 

[Masked]

A conviction isn't need for a suspension. For example, Calvin Ridley, a WR in the NFL was suspended for a year for gambling. Gambling isn't a crime, yet a player in the NFL that gambles can be suspended. I think people need to get out of their minds that a person needs a conviction or that a crime needs to be committed for a suspension to occur. It doesn't. "Conduct detrimental to hockey" is overly broad for a reason.

But did he gamble or were there just allegations that he gambled?

Assen na yo!

 

[pcruz]

A conviction isn't need for a suspension. For example, Calvin Ridley, a WR in the NFL was suspended for a year for gambling. Gambling isn't a crime, yet a player in the NFL that gambles can be suspended. I think people need to get out of their minds that a person needs a conviction or that a crime needs to be committed for a suspension to occur. It doesn't. "Conduct detrimental to hockey" is overly broad for a reason.

Never stated that a conviction is necessary.

I did state that an offense has to have been shown to exist though.

Although gambling isn't a crime, the player wasn't suspended on the accusation of a gambling event having taken place.
The gambling incident took place, that was undeniable.
Whether the player was the one to have gambled was in question.

In this case, the offense hasn't been shown to have taken place. It's still an allegation.

The first step in prosecuting someone is to show that an offense took place.
The next step is to show that the person being accused, was the one who committed the offense.

There isn't an offense at this time: no individually named player has been accused of having perpetrated in an offense - yet.

If/when this changes, then the NHL will be well within its rights to suspend the players pending the criminal investigation. If the player(s) is not convicted, the NHL can still claim that there may have been sufficient grounds to disassociate itself from the player.


At this time, which players have been named for an offense charge?

None.

 

[MXD]

Never stated that a conviction is necessary.

I did state that an offense has to have been shown to exist though.

Although gambling isn't a crime, the player wasn't suspended on the accusation of a gambling event having taken place.
The gambling incident took place, that was undeniable.
Whether the player was the one to have gambled was in question.

In this case, the offense hasn't been shown to have taken place. It's still an allegation.

The first step in prosecuting someone is to show that an offense took place.
The next step is to show that the person being accused, was the one who committed the offense.

There isn't an offense at this time: no individually named player has been accused of having perpetrated in an offense - yet.

If/when this changes, then the NHL will be well within its rights to suspend the players pending the criminal investigation. If the player(s) is not convicted, the NHL can still claim that there may have been sufficient grounds to disassociate itself from the player.


At this time, which players have been named for an offense charge?

None.

... This makes no sense for many reasons, the first of which is, in order to charge (or, in your words, "accuse") someone, which you consider a prerequisite for a player to be suspended, the said criminal investigation, during which "the NHL will be well within its rights to suspend the players", must have taken place. That essentially means the NHL could never suspend anyone. Or everyone, depending on the perspective, because, mind you, there is a criminal investigation at the moment. There's an edit function. Use it.

 

[Random Comment]

Ottawa going to lose multiple high-end wingers in one off-season

 

[AvroArrow]

Multiple law suits in one year. So once again, you have no idea how much this settlement was for. You are inferring something to support your bias.

It was reported that the majority of lawsuits settled by Hockey Canada were for abuse against young players.

The reason Hockey Canada settled has little to do with guilt or innocence but rather reputation. That clearly backfired...

My position is that I don't know if the players are guilty. Your position is much more difficult because you are arguing in the affirmative. That is why you have to lie or exaggerate.

Could HC have paid out millions? Sure. Did they? You and I have no idea.

If this case was black or white then they would have been charged or exonerated.

Your position is to continue to defend these players when everything is suggesting they're guilty of what they're accused of.

My position is that they've been accused of horrible crimes, have not denied being involved in it yet, had a lawsuit against for $3.5M, Hockey Canada paid out $2.9M that year

The reason Hockey Canada settled is to hide the identity of the players and hide their shitty operation from the public.

Hockey Canada literally paid out nearly $3M dollars that year, you're trying to suggest that it could have been for other small cases that nobody has ever heard of, and not the massive $3.5M dollar lawsuit that is headlining everywhere.

What a joke.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

When posters are so quick to defend the accused like this, really makes you wonder what they're projecting ...

For me, I side with the victims by default, because that's just playing the numbers, like @spintheblackcircle just said

 

[PocketNines]

For those of you still in limbo on this matter, let me quote the link I posted previously.


MisidentificationEdit

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing, Tripathi was one of several people misidentified as a suspect by users on social media. On April 16, 2013, one day after the bombings, Reddit users created a subreddit named r/findbostonbombers with the intention of consolidating the information surrounding the events of the bombings in an attempt to identify the culprits of the attack.[4] By Wednesday, April 17, over 3000 people had joined the subreddit in order to crowdsource the investigation of the evidence.[5] At 5:00 p.m. on April 18, the Federal Bureau of Investigation published photos of the suspects believed to be involved in the bombings.[6] Soon after, another Redditor named Sunil as a plausible suspect after asserting a resemblance between the suspects in the FBI's pictures and Sunil, who had gone missing a month before the bombings. Although this behavior violated the subreddit's rule that prohibited naming suspects without evidence, the moderators did not delete the post. To further the speculation behind Tripathi, a woman claiming to be his classmate tweeted that she too thought Tripathi resembled a suspect in the FBI's photographs.[7]

Soon after the release of the photos, people began trying to contact the Tripathi family, through phone calls on ABC News, as well as angry messages on Tripathi's Facebook page, dedicated to finding Sunil.[8] At 11 p.m. on the same day, the real bombing suspects (Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev) shot and killed a police officer of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Police Department.[9] The following day at 2:45 a.m., a redditor reposted a tweet by twitter user "Greg Hughes": "BPD has identified the names: Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta. Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi."[10] This caught the mainstream media's attention after BuzzFeed reporter Andrew Kaczynski shared a tweet that named Sunil as the primary suspect from his personal Twitter account.[10] According to the BBC, Tripathi had soon become the "standout suspect" on social media before the FBI identified the real suspects to be the Tsarnaev brothers.[11] Sunil was found dead on April 23.[12] Mulugeta was an unrelated person whose last name was spelled out in the Boston Police scanner that night, and whose first name was never confirmed to be "Mike." Tripathi's name was never mentioned in the scanner.[10][13]

ReactionEdit​

The misidentification of Tripathi led to questions in the media about whether the so-called "crowd-sourced investigations" should be prevented in the future, citing the harm caused to people such as the relatives of Tripathi, as well as other wrongly-identified suspects who then feared for their safety. Some argued that they are unstoppable because of the nature of the Internet, with the only hope being that awareness of the possible effects of errors such as this would lead to future caution.[11] Reddit issued a public apology for allowing its users to form a subcommunity called FindBostonBombers, wherein they openly speculated upon suspects.[14]

Posting on Facebook, Tripathi's family described the tremendous amount of attention the misidentification had caused as painful, but they sought to use the negative publicity of the case to assist in their search by raising awareness.[11]

Yes, there is real risk that a random member of the public could be falsely accused here just like in the example you cite. Hurr durr

 

[Voight]

Cant wait for these clowns to be out of the league for good. Send a strong message, and move on from these criminals.

Maybe the tweener types who were unlikely to stick on an NHL roster anyhow, but for the guys whoa re established NHL players... yea they aren't going anywhere.

Ah now my post in the galchenyuk thread makes sense. His contract termination is being used to deflect away from this larger story.

 

[BiolaRunner]

Kyrie Irving - NBA - Nets - suspended a month or so for public antisemitism - no charges filed

Kuznetsov - NHL - Capitals - suspended a few games for being in a video with cocaine - no charges filed

Zeke Elliott - NFL - Cowboys - suspended six games for domestic violence - no criminal charges

These are off the top of my head.

Wasn't this one also from false allegations?

I could be remembering the details of it wrong

 

[Voight]

Do I except the NHLPA to do anything productive/worthwhile though? No.

They have continually disappointed throughout the years, so I except they will disappoint with this issue, as is tradition.

NHLPA is a union. Their job is to protect the members.

Do you think they are going to lay down and just agree with what the league decides?

Wasn't this one also from false allegations?

I could be remembering the details of it wrong

Correct, but Goodell is a clown and wanted to prove a point.

He did the same thing with Brady, even tho Deflategate was a total sham.

Shouldn't they be under the jail cell, and not merely suspended?

They haven't been charged with a crime, so no.

 

[Voight]

The mob shows its virtue by clamoring for harsh and speedy justice, that the law is too slow, too lenient, and will not prevent this from happening.

The mob can kill, maim, and destroy with impunity because they will slink back to their homes and bear no responsibility for their actions when they acted out of turn and destroyed an innocent. The allegations are that a young woman was raped by a group of men and she will carry those physical and emotional traumas for the rest of her life. Is the mob so virtuous that they would risk destroying the livelihood and reputation of an innocent young man in response?

Society shows its virtue by letting the law and due process work. May the guilty rot and the innocent continue their hockey careers with reputations intact.

Applause to those who are desperately trying to demonstrate how committed to "justice" they are in this thread, but I don't really mean that. There isn't a single person on this f***ing website who advocates for covering up for rapists, and to decry those who defend due process as doing such is pure madness.

Some of the guys in this thread would've been all stars in the USSR's legal system.

 

[ottawa]

Good luck Senators

 

[BiolaRunner]

You are already innocent, until proven guilty. There is generally no need to change this status after a not guilty finding.

Your innocent status only changes when convicted.

One could argue there is a "provisional period" where after an arrest and standing before a judge, that allows the court to revoke certain rights that an "innocent person" should not be subject to ie. being held before trial or other limitations of freedom. This is for obvious practical concerns.

Once again, these players have not been arrested, charged or faced a judge in a show cause hearing.

A not guilty verdict doesn't necessarily mean the jury believed that the defendant didn't commit the crime, but that the prosecution failed in proving it BARD. A juror could be 90% sure the defendant is guilty but that 10% uncertainty leads to a not guilty vote.

On the other hand, since a jury only declares guilty or not guilty, unless you interview each individual juror, you don't know if they sided with not guilty because they thought the defendant was innocent or prosecution failed to prove it BARD

 

[Snotbubbles]

Never stated that a conviction is necessary.

I did state that an offense has to have been shown to exist though.

Although gambling isn't a crime, the player wasn't suspended on the accusation of a gambling event having taken place.
The gambling incident took place, that was undeniable.
Whether the player was the one to have gambled was in question.

In this case, the offense hasn't been shown to have taken place. It's still an allegation.

The first step in prosecuting someone is to show that an offense took place.
The next step is to show that the person being accused, was the one who committed the offense.

There isn't an offense at this time: no individually named player has been accused of having perpetrated in an offense - yet.

If/when this changes, then the NHL will be well within its rights to suspend the players pending the criminal investigation. If the player(s) is not convicted, the NHL can still claim that there may have been sufficient grounds to disassociate itself from the player.


At this time, which players have been named for an offense charge?

None.

Another example for you then since you think you need proof of a violation. The NFL suspended Tom Brady for deflate gate based on the violation being “more probable than not” of occurring without having any proof that he was involved.

 

[PensandCaps]

NHLPA is a union. Their job is to protect the members.

Do you think they are going to lay down and just agree with what the league decides?



Correct, but Goodell is a clown and wanted to prove a point.

He did the same thing with Brady, even tho Deflategate was a total sham.



They haven't been charged with a crime, so no.

Being charged or not doesn't mean they didn't do what they are accused of. Why would they get suspended if they did nothing wrong? Seems clear that they did do it if they get suspended. Which means they should be under the jail.

But not really shocking that the legal system would let rich white men get away with heinous crimes.

 

[SLAYER]

Some of the guys in this thread would've been all stars in the USSR's legal system.

Can you clowns make up your mind, is the woke mob fascist or communist?

Its hard to follow with all the white knighting for rapist going on in the thread.

Words have no meaning anymore, people don't care to think for/educate themselves. Learning is stupid, don't you know?

 

[BigEezyE22]

NHLPA is a union. Their job is to protect the members.

Do you think they are going to lay down and just agree with what the league decides?



Correct, but Goodell is a clown and wanted to prove a point.

He did the same thing with Brady, even tho Deflategate was a total sham.



They haven't been charged with a crime, so no.

If I were to guess, I'd say the NHLPA's overarching concern is what kind of baseline/ precedent this sets with regards to the league's ability to leverage the morals clause.

 

[BigEezyE22]

Another example for you then since you think you need proof of a violation. The NFL suspended Tom Brady for deflate gate based on the violation being “more probable than not” of occurring without having any proof that he was involved.

Except that was a case of potential rules violation impacting the competitive balance of game play. Not something potentially criminal outside league activities.