Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[willy702]

Craig McTavish made a bad decision. There is a difference between a bad decision and a predatory/malicious decision IMO

Why don't you go to the main forum and post a thread stating "Rape is wrong and should be punished". Enjoy the 123 likes you get before it's closed. Pretty much feels like what you want out of here.

The league is going to respond to what customers want. If more customers want to see rapists suspended, the league will act. If more customers are like you and instead want to see these guys face no suspension, then the league will go that route. Money talks.

Yep it's a business and not a courtroom or jail. If our society needs businesses to enforce the laws then we have some very serious issues do we not?

 

[PK]

Shocking how people here can admit there might not be enough evidence for a criminal conviction, yet still hope for an NHL suspension because the sponsors and fans ask for that. And others literally defend mob justice by saying that the criminal justice system doesn’t get the job done and that the mob’s intentions are good.

The Soviet Union called and wants its due process back.

 

[Reality Czech]

And from my perspective the people DEFENDING the rapists are the weird ones.

Well I never did that, so take your little crusade elsewhere. You seem unhinged dude.

 

[MXD]

Shocking how people here can admit there might not be enough evidence for a criminal conviction, yet still hope for an NHL suspension because the sponsors and fans ask for that. And others literally defend mob justice by saying that the criminal justice system doesn’t get the job done and that the mob’s intentions are good.

The Soviet Union called and wants its due process back.

Don't worry : the players will absolutely get suspended if there are charges laid against them.

 

[brentashton]

Private

So the MLB made a shitty decision means the NHL should follow suit?

If the players aren't guilty in the court of law, the NHL should not be suspending them. Plain and simple

Many organizations can (and do) have standards of employee conduct that exceed basic levels of criminal conduct/culpability or societal rules. If you sign the employment contract that stipulates such, you agree to the standards.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Feel free to NOT SPECULATE ON NAMES.

I came for the speculation.

 

[Hisch13r]

“Suspensions” god this league is the f***ing worst. Anything less than a lifetime ban is unacceptable

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

I’m against 95% of cancel culture, but this is a rape we are talking about. Pretty heinous shit. The players involved should face serious repercussions

Could not agree more

 

[Warden of the North]

Suspended? Probably more like contracts voided and defense attorneys needed.

Yup.

Hope they get what's coming to them

 

[John Price]

Guys up top need to pay the price

 

[Jeune Poulet]

C'mon now, should there be suspensions, it will be indefinite suspensions.

Yeah but words matter too.

They've known what has been going on for a while now but instead of outright banning those POS, they've dragged their "inquiries" right in the middle of summer, so as to kill any discussion of this and protect their brands.

And now, we're hearing they plan to sugarcoat the language and use terms like "suspensions" as if we were talking about an on-ice elbowing incident.

None of this is surprising but it is very disappointing.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Why would this happen but not Hockey Canada being banned from international tournaments for some period of time?

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Why would this happen but not Hockey Canada being banned from international tournaments for some period of time?

That would be because the IIHF is Hockey Canada's puppet.

 

[Hextallent63]

Everyone wants justice, and everyone with any kind of moral compass has remorse and want justice for people who are victimized. Especially in situations where people are victims of crimes like the ones being discussed here. There are reasons why justice systems exist though. Justice based on opinion without truth and fact can also ruin people's lives, along with victimizing people and being a piece of shit person. Mob justice does not work. unfortunately, the justice systems in place in countries don't always work either. In situations like this you can only hope that proof, whatever it may be comes to light and guilty parties are dealt with accordingly. I have passed no judgement yet because i feel i do not know enough about the case. With that being said, i dont think there are much worse things you can do, some things, but not many more.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Come on, man. If a friend invited me over to his hotel room and he was in there naked with another woman in bed I would leave. Ridiculous decisions were made that night, even before talking about sexual assault. Admittedly, it’s easy saying that now with my 38 year old brain talking and not my 20 year old brain. The whole culture is messed up, imo. why do these young hockey players like to engage in such activity is beyond me.

 

[AvroArrow]

Shocking how people here can admit there might not be enough evidence for a criminal conviction, yet still hope for an NHL suspension because the sponsors and fans ask for that. And others literally defend mob justice by saying that the criminal justice system doesn’t get the job done and that the mob’s intentions are good.

The Soviet Union called and wants its due process back.

In cases like these there is rarely ever any evidence, it is 99% based on the testimonies of both the victim and the accused. "Fans and sponsors" no maybe we're just decent people who want to see criminals who commit heinous crimes get put away instead of just a suspension from their work place. I won't go into details about it but my little cousins who were both minors, went through something as traumatic as this. It took the girls nearly 10 years to gain the courage and come forward with their stories to our family, there's no actual evidence and there almost never is in these kinds of cases. The verdict was determined through their testimonies as well as character testimonies of the accused from his family, friends and known people.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Once again no one said this but you and others keep going on about how anyone who doesn't agree with you must support and condone rape. Rapists aren't those convicted in a court of public opinion. They are convicted in a court of law. Rape is a crime. The punishments for it have been set by legal precedent. What you and others with your wild opinions are telling me is you know better than the legal system and legal precedent what is rape and what the punishments should be.

I don't give a shit about morons calling me out on stuff I didn't say or don't believe. If these players were convicted of a crime then they would serve their time no? At some point a person has paid their debt to society. If the crazy mob posting here doesn't think it's enough that's their problem. Stop watching hockey if it bothers you so much. Me, I'll stick with the legal system we have in Canada and the US. And that includes right to privacy from speculation and getting skewered unfairly in the court of public opinion.

Go find the find where I or many others who have posted have said they shouldn't be punished for their crimes if they have been convicted of them.

You and all the other holier than thou posters have fun, no point in debating people who do nothing but jump to conclusions and claim others have beliefs in things they never stated.

I like how you complain about the holier than thou posters by…..being holier than thou for not passing judgement.

I don’t get your types who have this holy crusade against the woke mob. You’re more concerned with a false holy war on culture than the actual crime here.

 

[LionsHeart]

"A certain agitator, for privacy sake, lets call her 'Lisa S'...No that's too obvious...uuh. Let's say 'L. Simpson'."

 

[kcunac]

I’m thinking the NHL might say banned with any future reinstatement requiring Commissioner approval. Sounds harsher than a 2-4 year suspension but that is what it could be in practice, if the player(s) demonstrate sufficient regret and rehabilitation.

If they come out and say x player gets 2 years and y player gets 4, then that’s a real indictment of player x and the punishment will not satisfy many.

 

[Mattilaus]

Shocking how people here can admit there might not be enough evidence for a criminal conviction, yet still hope for an NHL suspension because the sponsors and fans ask for that. And others literally defend mob justice by saying that the criminal justice system doesn’t get the job done and that the mob’s intentions are good.

The Soviet Union called and wants its due process back.

Welcome to capitalism. Corporation acting as individual private entity decides it does not want to associate with private entity B due to allegations and they can do that if they want because they are not representative of the government. Or do you want corporations and private entities to be forced to associate with people they don't want to? I dislike my neighbour, should I be forced to be friends with him or if I stop talking to him, has he been cancelled? Should I be arrested for dissociating from him for no real reason?

The league can fire, suspend, or bring in whomever it wants as a private entity. That is freedom.

 

[PK]

In cases like these there is rarely ever any evidence, it is 99% based on the testimonies of both the victim and the accused. "Fans and sponsors" no maybe we're just decent people who want to see criminals who commit heinous crimes get put away instead of just a suspension from their work place. I won't go into details about it but my little cousins who were both minors, went through something as traumatic as this. It took the girls nearly 10 years to gain the courage and come forward with their stories to our family, there's no actual evidence and there almost never is in these kinds of cases. The verdict was determined through their testimonies as well as character testimonies of the accused from his family, friends and known people.

People here were explicitely talking about sponsors and fans, so “fans and sponsors yes”.

And I’m aware there is often no evidence of the crime. Due process should still apply. If there’s no evidence, there should be no punishment. Saying “there’s no evidence so we don’t need any evidence” doesn’t make much sense. And while we’re at it, people who are personally attached to the issue (as you’re through the tragic events thathappened to your family), should usually stay away as they cannot offer levelheaded judgment.

Let me add one more thing to all those pointing out this is not a criminal proceeding so we don’t need to follow its rules. As a society we agreed crimes should be punished. And we created the criminal justice system as a tool to deal with criminals. A tool that is better than mob justice which we had seen enough of (see which hunts) and said this is not the way. We’ve also agreed that there are some principles that must be followed (basically due process) precisely to make it better and more just that mob justice. People here shouting for punishments outside of criminal justice system and its rules simply want to go full circle and do exactly what we’ve already agreed we shouldn’t do.

 

[dukeofjive]

always good to wake up in the morning and being reminded that the world is full of clowns who love to use words like crusaders and woke to defend rapist.

Good job boys, take a lap I’m sure someone somewhere is proud of you.

 

[PK]

The league can fire, suspend, or bring in whomever it wants as a private entity. That is freedom.

That’s not even close to the truth.

 

[MXD]

Shocking how people here can admit there might not be enough evidence for a criminal conviction, yet still hope for an NHL suspension because the sponsors and fans ask for that.

The NHL doesn't operate on a BARD standard of evidence.

 

[jbeck5]

Huh? Who decides if a rape should be investigated by the authorities or not?

Doesn't a judge decide if theres enough evidence to convict and proceed with a case or not?