Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[joestevens29]

Bad news always gets released on a Friday.

In this case when it's company making a big decision like this it is the best time to do so, as you hope some of the negative feedback gets pushed to the side.

Although considering the NHL is trying to re-image themselves with these types of issues they are probably going to get hung out to dry by some reporters for poor timing.

 

[SwedishFire]

Sportsmen should be rolemodels for the society. I wonder what is wrong in the sports world. This is bananas.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It would be awesome if they stopped doing this slow drip by drip leaking of information and just got on with releasing the information already.

 

[SwedishFire]

And Bob Nicholson shouldn't get a pass for being the head of Hockey Canada and likely involved in the cover up. But we know he'll somehow get off scott free. Makes my blood boil how this is taking so long and these a-holes have still been making millions.

The view on women, even from the top seems to be... pretty bad to say the least.

 

[NyQuil]

It would be awesome if they stopped doing this slow drip by drip leaking of information and just got on with releasing the information already.

 

[joestevens29]

Ah now my post in the galchenyuk thread makes sense. His contract termination is being used to deflect away from this larger story.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Yes. Many people believe in the conventional definitions of justice and fairness.

I think you have prejudged the players with limited information - I think that makes you wrong.

You think I don't care about victims and want to enable rapists. - you think that makes me wrong and a bad person.

I don't think it possible to engage in a good faith discussion with someone like you. I suggest we just ignore each other

I think it is. I think it just has to be realized that the culture needs to change.

 

[hangman005]

It would be awesome if they stopped doing this slow drip by drip leaking of information and just got on with releasing the information already.

It would, but wheel of fortune time is how they release information these days.

 

[NyQuil]

It would, but wheel of fortune time is how they release information these days.

"Can I buy a vowel?"

"Yes."

"E."

"The player's name has 2 Es."

 

[hangman005]

"Can I buy a vowel?"

"Yes."

"E."

"The player's name has 2 Es."

But no batman symbols

 

[brentashton]

Edmonton already bought that with their new LRT line

Well that and the other ones before it lol.

Before you decline his offer, check to see if his monorail works. If so send Sohi a PM about it.

 

[joestevens29]

Before you decline his offer, check to see if his monorail works. If so send Sohi a PM about it.

I mean even if it doesn't it's probably safer than ours with patched pillars and electrical issues that no one knows the reason for.

Good chance if you don't get electrocuted riding ours that you'll probably need some hockey equipment for when the pillars give out.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I

I think it is. I think it just has to be realized that the culture needs to change.

Agree to disagree on your first sentence.

I think changing culture through show trials, over simplification of hard nuanced topics and the vilification of anyone with a different viewpoint has a very "Soviet" feel to it. "Hearts and Minds" may be a better tactic.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

 

[Three On Zero]

If you don’t think Rocky Wirtz knew about it and was complicit in doing nothing… I have a monorail to sell you. How much money do you think he’s made from Bedard jerseys already?

Burden of proof is on the accuser, to accuse him of covering up such acts is pure defamation at this point and should be treated as such until evidence is provided to prove otherwise.

Should the teams of these 8 players also be held accountable for allowing the players to continue player after the allegations?

Sounds silly doesn’t it

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Burden of proof is on the accuser, to accuse him of covering up such acts is pure defamation at this point and should be treated as such until evidence is provided to prove otherwise.

Should the teams of these 8 players also be held accountable for allowing the players to continue player after the allegations?

Sounds silly doesn’t it

Not really. If GM's knew these players participated in a rape (i.e. a buddy of theirs at HC told them this accusation existed) and then proceeded to not say anything and pay them millions of dollars, that's a pretty big issue and speaks to rotten "hockey culture"... don't you think?

I'm not saying they should go to jail. But they shouldn't be in the league.

Rocky Wirtz shouldn't be an owner. I'm not saying he should go to jail.

And if you think that Rocky Wirtz was never told anything... well okay. I can cut you a really good deal on that Monorail. Just need a small deposit first.

 

[Silky Johnson]

You haven't read the CBA. Here is a document that explains that the NHL based on their own investigation suspend someone from the league for any duration that they see fit.

https://www.commerce.senate.gov/services/files/b181853b-636d-45ce-9697-4cc7f5ca39a2

Let me simplify so most don't have to read the document.

The league can do whatever it wants if the investigation determines it doesn't want to deal with a player's B.S. Sue all you want. It is in the Standard Player's Contract.

If you can find a copy of the CBA, Articles 18 & 18-A: Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct & Commissioner Discipline for Off-Ice Conduct

And, if you support covering up for rapists...again...f*** you.

You really think that? See earlier post from Westheads twitter referring to league official assuming there will be defamation suits and 3rd party arbitration.

Do you really believe an employer can use any overly broad employment clause and "do whatever it wants"? Do you have any experience/involvement in litigation.

Saying thing aggressively doesn't make it smarter...

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

Is anyone else very surprised that the names of the players who were in that hotel room on the night in question have not yet been reported?

I'm sure Westhead (and others who are covering this) know, considering the amount of people who would have now been involved in the numerous investigations. There's no way it hasn't leaked.

And I'm not expecting him to say "these players did x, y and z", but why not report "these players were there"? As far as I know, there's no risk in reporting that a person was present in a specific location at a certain time.

Instead people are still trying to decipher statements drafted by lawyers...

Everyone's afraid of lawsuits. Big risk of defamation if you get it wrong. Safer to wait for the report.

 

[Three On Zero]

Not really. If GM's knew these players participated in a rape (i.e. a buddy of theirs at HC told them this accusation existed) and then proceeded to not say anything and pay them millions of dollars, that's a pretty big issue and speaks to rotten "hockey culture"... don't you think?

I'm not saying they should go to jail. But they shouldn't be in the league.

Rocky Wirtz shouldn't be an owner. I'm not saying he should go to jail.

And if you think that Rocky Wirtz was never told anything... well okay. I can cut you a really good deal on that Monorail. Just need a small deposit first.

Again, burden of proof. Slinging around accusations isn’t terms for disciplining an owner without actual evidence

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Again, burden of proof. Slinging around accusations isn’t terms for disciplining an owner without actual evidence

What makes you think the NHL didn't find any evidence of Wirtz knowing about things during their investigation?

They almost certainly did and chose to ignore it. And are now happy to participate in the rehabilitation of his, and the Blackhawks' image. That's my point.

If Jon McDonogh knew... Wirtz knew. Rot almost always starts at the top.

 

[LeafGrief]

The mob shows its virtue by clamoring for harsh and speedy justice, that the law is too slow, too lenient, and will not prevent this from happening.

The mob can kill, maim, and destroy with impunity because they will slink back to their homes and bear no responsibility for their actions when they acted out of turn and destroyed an innocent. The allegations are that a young woman was raped by a group of men and she will carry those physical and emotional traumas for the rest of her life. Is the mob so virtuous that they would risk destroying the livelihood and reputation of an innocent young man in response?

Society shows its virtue by letting the law and due process work. May the guilty rot and the innocent continue their hockey careers with reputations intact.

Applause to those who are desperately trying to demonstrate how committed to "justice" they are in this thread, but I don't really mean that. There isn't a single person on this f***ing website who advocates for covering up for rapists, and to decry those who defend due process as doing such is pure madness.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

The mob can kill, maim, and destroy with impunity

Now don't get me wrong, I also love to victim-blame. But when has this actually happened?

 

[joestevens29]

You really think that? See earlier post from Westheads twitter referring to league official assuming there will be defamation suits and 3rd party arbitration.

Do you really believe an employer can use any overly broad employment clause and "do whatever it wants"? Do you have any experience/involvement in litigation.

Saying thing aggressively doesn't make it smarter...

Defamation or not the NHL could still do whatever they want, just there will be potential consequences

 

[Three On Zero]

What makes you think the NHL didn't find any evidence of Wirtz knowing about things during their investigation?

They almost certainly did and chose to ignore it. And are now happy to participate in the rehabilitation of his, and the Blackhawks' image. That's my point.

If Jon McDonogh knew... Wirtz knew. Rot almost always starts at the top.

I think you’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole that you can’t see the light anymore. You’re making accusations with absolutely 0 evidence to substantiate it

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Ugh I wish we could fast-forward one generation, and just accelerate a "changing of the guard", so to speak.