Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

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Yet we have keyboard guys like you calling out against the woke mob. You’re doing no better.

There’s more people here crying to the sky about due process and defending the players than the woke mob that y’all are afraid of.
Do you read before you post?!?!? What you’re saying goes against everything the law in western countries is. If you believe that Due process is the same as defending the alleged actions the defendant then you’re not only terribly misinformed but you have a dangerous perspective on justice like national socialism or the inquisition had: due process and Facts don’t matter, the agenda matters. If that’s you then there’s no point in discussing further.
 

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This may be an argument if the player had a signed contract at the point this incident happened but if they didn't at the time how would it be legal to use this as a reason to suspend them

It's even easier if those players didn't have a contract in place for the NHL to ban them or black ball them.

Don't need any legal grounds to not hire someone.
 
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my personal reason is i smelled BS after reading your words. this post only doubles down on the BS.

you are not entertaining both sides at all, you have already judged this situation, and you are discounting parts of the story you admit you did not know about. i do not know how you do not see yourself as someone who is "too quick to judgement". stop using pretending you are being fair when you are so clearly not willing to be. it's not a shield to use when you post shit sandwiches meant to undermine things. take it seriously.
No need to be defensive. I assume you don’t have anything to do with the law or investigations in your line of work, right? I do. And you wouldn’t believe how clear as day things sometimes seem and then you realize that’s not the entire puzzle.
Please tell me how you know what happened? Do you have the entire puzzle? I don’t. So of course I’m doubling down. Do you call your opinion fair? Fair would be to wait for the details. That’s what I’m trying to do.
 
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"If NHL names and suspends players allegedly involved, affected players would likely appeal any sanctions to an arbitrator, as per CBA, and may pursue defamation lawsuits vs league, said agent of one player who attended 2018 Hockey Canada gala."
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IMO this is why each player could get equal suspensions.

I.e., each of the 8 guys or whatever will get 10 games or whatever the amount is. If the league gives some guys more games than its basically them pointing the finger at them and saying "these are the culprits!" without any hard evidence.
 

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If the NHL was serious about hockey culture, they really should have started with cleaning up their own house, starting with the Chicago Blackhawks.

How does a team that hid systematic sexual abuse get to draft the top prospect in hockey within a couple years of the allegations?

It's pathetic.

Unless you agree that Chicago should have surrendered picks for at least 5 years, and maybe even sat a season out, you're basically a rapist yourself.
Punish an entire franchise for the actions of some employees? Extremely unlikely. Those involved are no longer employed, a fitting punishment.
 

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Punish an entire franchise for the actions of some employees? Extremely unlikely. Those involved are no longer employed, a fitting punishment.

If you don’t think Rocky Wirtz knew about it and was complicit in doing nothing… I have a monorail to sell you. How much money do you think he’s made from Bedard jerseys already?
 
Yet we have keyboard guys like you calling out against the woke mob. You’re doing no better.

There’s more people here crying to the sky about due process and defending the players than the woke mob that y’all are afraid of.

People want to see justice done. Especially in an area that has historically been stacked against the victims.
I usually don’t attribute motives in discussions. But i think this is the sticking point! We all have Kyle Beach and maybe other cases fresh in our minds. Then this case surfaces and I believe some people (and I understand it to a certain extent) think: “NOW! Now we can right the wrongs of the past in this case.” maybe that’s somewhat human. But super dangerous. Justice is about specifics and not shortcomings of a culture that can be rectified and purged by assuming guilt from the start.
 

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No need to be defensive. I assume you don’t have anything to do with the law or investigations in your line of work, right? I do. And you wouldn’t believe how clear as day things sometimes seem and then you realize that’s not the entire puzzle.
Please tell me how you know what happened? Do you have the entire puzzle? I don’t. So of course I’m doubling down. Do you call your opinion fair? Fair would be to wait for the details. That’s what I’m trying to do.
you're doing a bad job. that's the part i want you to understand.

the appeal to authority isn't as useful in an online forum. i don't care if you have a background in this, it doesn't preclude you from screwing this up like you are. if anything you're just proving you should be able to understand the BS you're floating better than you seem to be comprehending.

my opinion is that you're full of BS and trying to undermine the victim's side. you want us to see that as fair somehow, i call that BS. you say you're waiting for the details, so stop posting shit sandwiches and wait.
 

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Is anyone else very surprised that the names of the players who were in that hotel room on the night in question have not yet been reported?

I'm sure Westhead (and others who are covering this) know, considering the amount of people who would have now been involved in the numerous investigations. There's no way it hasn't leaked.

And I'm not expecting him to say "these players did x, y and z", but why not report "these players were there"? As far as I know, there's no risk in reporting that a person was present in a specific location at a certain time.

Instead people are still trying to decipher statements drafted by lawyers...
 

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I’m curious why a GM would sign one of these guys a week ago if they knew the player was caught up in this ( looking at you NJ). Wouldn’t it make sense to wait until after the report (and consequences) was released? The GM must know something we don’t?

Locking down a 4th line guy ( I’m assuming easily replaced) making him a part of your plan knowing you might lose him seems premature.

Also, what a locker room distraction when your team thinks their cup window is opening.
 

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Do you read before you post?!?!? What you’re saying goes against everything the law in western countries is. If you believe that Due process is the same as defending the alleged actions the defendant then you’re not only terribly misinformed but you have a dangerous perspective on justice like national socialism or the inquisition had: due process and Facts don’t matter, the agenda matters. If that’s you then there’s no point in discussing further.

Sigh. No, I’m not saying you in particular.

But there have been people, who have applauded team Canada for covering up saying they were proud of the executives. But then they say they’re done, even though they go around liking all the posts that agree with their bigot worldview.

We have had people disparage the victim as being some sort of regretful slut.

We have people more concerned about the well being of the players. That they’re the real victims against some weird cancel culture shit that doesn’t exist.

We have people who think this is all made up, a giant nothing burger. That the outrage about this is the real issue.

So spare me the whole “do you read before you post” nonsense. Cause I’ve read a lot of that bullshit throughout the years here.
 
you're doing a bad job. that's the part i want you to understand.

the appeal to authority isn't as useful in an online forum. i don't care if you have a background in this, it doesn't preclude you from screwing this up like you are. if anything you're just proving you should be able to understand the BS you're floating better than you seem to be comprehending.

my opinion is that you're full of BS and trying to undermine the victim's side. you want us to see that as fair somehow, i call that BS. you say you're waiting for the details, so stop posting shit sandwiches and wait.
That’s the problem. You seem to have a warped understanding of justice and how to come to conclusions. Following your logic: When an alleged victim is being questioned by a judge or a D.A. that’d be undermining. Pretty bad. Being that defensive doesn’t help your case either. Please leave it to the unemotional pros how to proceed.
 

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That’s the problem. You seem to have a warped understanding of justice and how to come to conclusions. Following your logic: When an alleged victim is being questioned by a judge or a D.A. that’d be undermining. Pretty bad. Being that defensive doesn’t help your case either. Please leave it to the unemotional pros how to proceed.
the judge isn't undermining the victim, you are. the bolded below is specifically what i've been referring to the entire time. a "professional" such as yourself wouldn't float a bad faith thought experiment and call it impartiality. you even make assumptions, while blaming others for jumping to conclusions. you are the pot calling the kettle black and haven't shown a lick of integrity in this exchange. again, your inability to wait is proving you have already made your judgements and you think we need to discount the victim's story while holding ample space for this to not be true. that's not impartiality, it's the opposite, and that's not hard to discern.

I may not know that detail. Do we know they made her take a shower? Honest question. If not then you’re jumping to conclusions. Some women like a shower after intercourse. I think a lot of men in here know that. And I am pretty sure that if someone close to you was accused of a disgusting crime like that you wouldn’t for one second accept “the girl took a shower after” as any way of determining guilt. If they are guilty of rape then ban them for years or for life.
 

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Amazing there are actual people who feel the same way @Silky Johnson does. Hockey culture needs a clean up badly.


Will have to be provincial labour authorities and perhaps federal involvement. The monopoly over minor and junior hockey needs to be broken up.
Yes. Many people believe in the conventional definitions of justice and fairness.

I think you have prejudged the players with limited information - I think that makes you wrong.

You think I don't care about victims and want to enable rapists. - you think that makes me wrong and a bad person.

I don't think it possible to engage in a good faith discussion with someone like you. I suggest we just ignore each other
 

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If you don’t think Rocky Wirtz knew about it and was complicit in doing nothing… I have a monorail to sell you. How much money do you think he’s made from Bedard jerseys already?
Edmonton already bought that with their new LRT line

Well that and the other ones before it lol.
 

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I’m curious why a GM would sign one of these guys a week ago if they knew the player was caught up in this ( looking at you NJ). Wouldn’t it make sense to wait until after the report (and consequences) was released? The GM must know something we don’t?

Locking down a 4th line guy ( I’m assuming easily replaced) making him a part of your plan knowing you might lose him seems premature.

Also, what a locker room distraction when your team thinks their cup window is opening.
Originally my thoughts were they didn’t tender him assuming some consequences from this.

They also went out and added Lazar last deadline with two more years remaining. It always felt like he was a backup plan in case McLeod was suspended at any point last year or in the future.
 

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Is anyone else very surprised that the names of the players who were in that hotel room on the night in question have not yet been reported?

I'm sure Westhead (and others who are covering this) know, considering the amount of people who would have now been involved in the numerous investigations. There's no way it hasn't leaked.

And I'm not expecting him to say "these players did x, y and z", but why not report "these players were there"? As far as I know, there's no risk in reporting that a person was present in a specific location at a certain time.

Instead people are still trying to decipher statements drafted by lawyers...
Too much risk if you screw up.

An Oiler staffer was fired when he wrongly had someone involved in a trade before it was official, so something like this if you were wrong I'm sure you'd be in a lot of heat.

No one is really reporting on this either. Media seems to stay away from this kind of stuff. And while Westhead is all over stuff like this he's usually quite careful on how he releases things.
 
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Cant wait for these clowns to be out of the league for good. Send a strong message, and move on from these criminals.
And Bob Nicholson shouldn't get a pass for being the head of Hockey Canada and likely involved in the cover up. But we know he'll somehow get off scott free. Makes my blood boil how this is taking so long and these a-holes have still been making millions.
 
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