Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[PK]

When your paychecks stop coming in, do you think you care what the press release said to describe why that is?

That’s a separate issue. You can be suspended with or without pay. You can also mutually agree on various things. The point is, you said he was suspended, he wasnt.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Defamation or not the NHL could still do whatever they want, just there will be potential consequences

No they can't. They have a CBA that includes binding arbitration.

Also courts can get involved through injuctive relief.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Do you mean the Krakauer book? Haven’t read it m, just heard of it. But I think that’s besides the point. We agree that every case should be taken seriously and investigated. Bury the perpetrators and enablers under the prison. Call out the people who shame the alleged victim, make it safer for them to come forward. What no one needs is a bunch of keyboard Roy Beans calling for frontier justice when emotions run the day and nobody knows what actually happened. Good that those folks aren’t in charge. A f***in nightmare and fascistoid beyond belief. That’s Roland Freisler-esque.

Everyone who says this is more emotionally driven in their opinions than most in my experience.
It's fascinating that so many have a knee jerk reaction to defend the honor and preserve the well being of the accused and alleged rapists (who've not been punished and only 1 has been named; hasn't stopped yours and others pearl clutching on their behalf) and get so mad at opinions more critical of theirs on a message board where those critical opinions have 0 authority or impact on the case that you start accusing everyone of being irrational or hysterical essentially...making desperate please invoking the sanctity of the "law in western countries"...and come away thinking your the cool headed one, rational, with robot-like-lack-of-emotions. This place always provides a truly interesting case study of this exact thing.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

I think you’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole that you can’t see the light anymore. You’re making accusations with absolutely 0 evidence to substantiate it

Of course I don't have evidence. I'm a person posting on an internet message board. I'm not a highly-paid investigator at a law firm in New York.

I'm just making a logical conclusion. Could I be wrong? Sure.

Players at both the AHL and NHL levels knew, to some level, what happened to Kyle Beach. Assistant coaches knew. The head coach knew. The assistant GM's and GM knew. The President knew. That's all been substantiated. But the owner? The owner's kids who were helping run the team? They didn't know anything! Didn't hear even a whisper about it!

Sure.

I bet 4 years ago, if someone had posted a comment that Hockey Canada had a toxic culture and its executives routinely covered up sexual assault allegations you would have come in and said "where's your evidence!!!".

Would it shock anyone if a commissioner employed by billionaire owners did what he could to protect said owners from consequences of scandals? Ever read about the reign of Dan Snyder in Washington?

If the NHL was serious about changing the way teams operate and sending a message, Wirtz would be out.

But I don't think they are all that serious. Which led me to my point back several pages ago. Unless these players are charged by police, I don't think there'll be severe suspensions. They'll do what they can to minimize it.

And again, maybe I'll be proven wrong.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Sexual assault is no joke but that would set a massive precedent for the league.

Craig MacTavish was allowed to continue playing, then coach, then GM in this league and he literally killed someone.

Complete ban was never going to happen and is a bit much.

He Did? I didn't know that

 

[NyQuil]

Unless these players are charged by police, I don't think there'll be severe suspensions. They'll do what they can to minimize it.

It doesn't appear as if the London police are very close to releasing the findings of their investigation.

 

[Xirik]

Checking in to ask if anyone's been named yet or if this thread is still just moral grandstanding?

 

[Slats432]

You really think that? See earlier post from Westheads twitter referring to league official assuming there will be defamation suits and 3rd party arbitration.

Do you really believe an employer can use any overly broad employment clause and "do whatever it wants"? Do you have any experience/involvement in litigation.

Saying thing aggressively doesn't make it smarter...

Mine is the document that supports the fact that the league has the ability to suspend indefinitely. Your opinion is just that, with nothing to support it.

 

[NyQuil]

Checking in to ask if anyone's been named yet or if this thread is still just moral grandstanding?

Some guy named "Xirik?"

Claims to be from Alberta?

 

[iCanada]

If you don’t think Rocky Wirtz knew about it and was complicit in doing nothing… I have a monorail to sell you. How much money do you think he’s made from Bedard jerseys already?

Idk why you'd sell a monorail or ocean front property.

If you're grifting, NFTs are easier to sell and it's basically impossible for you to be held liable for someone's link to a GIF not being with any money. Less effort, less liability.

Could I offer you a monorail or bridge NFT? I've got several available...

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He Did? I didn't know that

Vehicular homicide. He killed a young woman while driving drunk in the mid 80s. I don't know if he was actually suspended or if he only missed time because he was in prison... but he missed one season and then returned for the next one.

He has been sober for years, possibly dating back to the accident although I'm not certain. I just know its been at least two decades.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Nobody's getting banned lol.

People forget the league hasn't even technically banned Voynov for beating the living shit out of his girlfriend. They just suspended him for a half season and everybody decided between the PR and the half season suspension he wasn't worth signing. In this case, the players will already have been signed.

 

[Sweetpotato]

I’m curious why a GM would sign one of these guys a week ago if they knew the player was caught up in this ( looking at you NJ). Wouldn’t it make sense to wait until after the report (and consequences) was released? The GM must know something we don’t?

Locking down a 4th line guy ( I’m assuming easily replaced) making him a part of your plan knowing you might lose him seems premature.

Also, what a locker room distraction when your team thinks their cup window is opening.

I won't name players, but I think the one you mentioned was the only one to resign one of the alleged players this offseason with all the RFAs being free agents with no team yet or RFAs that are being retained but no new deal. I think most teams as you mentioned haven't extended for the reasons you mentioned.

When you look at certain situations with the players it strikes me that the teams have to know exactly what happened. Some players were extended long term, some almost immediately released and some re-signed shortly before this concludes. The teams know who was involved and too what extent.

 

[MXD]

Nobody's getting banned lol.

People forget the league hasn't even technically banned Voynov for beating the living shit out of his girlfriend. They just suspended him for a half season and everybody decided between the PR and the half season suspension he wasn't worth signing. In this case, the players will already have been signed.

That was 8 years ago.

 

[Xirik]

Some guy named "Xirik?"

Claims to be from Alberta?

What are you suggesting? why are you being so vague?

 

[NyQuil]

What are you suggesting? why are you being so vague?

If they do the cowardly 5 pm report drop on a Friday, boy, someone at the NHL has been reading the PR 101 Handbook.

In the meantime, we can unearth new truths and generate exciting and novel new lines of argument through aggressive posting.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Mine is the document that supports the fact that the league has the ability to suspend indefinitely. Your opinion is just that, with nothing to support it.

Are you serious? The league has binding 3rd party arbitration in their CBA. See the Mike Richards case.

Beyond that, do you believe they are above injunctive relief from a court?

There are many examples of sports leagues, including the NHL, being corrected by CBA's and courts for over reaching their authority. This is the same for all employers, particularly with overly broad or vague rules.

 

[Slats432]

Are you serious? The league has binding 3rd party arbitration in their CBA. See the Mike Richards case.

Beyond that, do you believe they are above injunctive relief from a court?

There are many examples of sports leagues, including the NHL, being corrected by CBA's and courts for over reaching their authority. This is the same for all employers, particularly with overly broad or vague rules.

Like I said, other than your opinion, you really don't have much to say.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

The mob shows its virtue by clamoring for harsh and speedy justice, that the law is too slow, too lenient, and will not prevent this from happening.

The mob can kill, maim, and destroy with impunity because they will slink back to their homes and bear no responsibility for their actions when they acted out of turn and destroyed an innocent. The allegations are that a young woman was raped by a group of men and she will carry those physical and emotional traumas for the rest of her life. Is the mob so virtuous that they would risk destroying the livelihood and reputation of an innocent young man in response?

Society shows its virtue by letting the law and due process work. May the guilty rot and the innocent continue their hockey careers with reputations intact.

Applause to those who are desperately trying to demonstrate how committed to "justice" they are in this thread, but I don't really mean that. There isn't a single person on this f***ing website who advocates for covering up for rapists, and to decry those who defend due process as doing such is pure madness.

I see where you're coming from, but it must be acknowledged that the justice system has historically failed victims of such crimes with appalling frequency allowing society to carry on being awful to women. The snap judgement by some (somewhat ironically) is to call it virtue signaling, when it's likely just the natural reaction to much of society reaching an inflection point where it's painfully apparent that something is wrong, that the justice system is ill-equipped to handle it, and that there are no clear solutions.

As for your last sentence, that is statistically quite unlikely, and the tone of many comments suggests that some are rationalizing their own past behaviour.

 

[Zippity]

How many players from that team are playing in NHL? Who hasn’t signed yet this year? 2 for sure.
I read on Twitter that they have enough to charge 5 players

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I think you’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole that you can’t see the light anymore. You’re making accusations with absolutely 0 evidence to substantiate it

The accusations are not all that wild. Really the best case for a company with an org. structure like the Wirtz Corporation is that they have an unwritten policy of plausible deniability for senior executives. Saying that you didn't know about it because it is understood that you are not to be told bad things is not a good thing. And that's the best case.

 

[Slats432]

How many players from that team are playing in NHL? Who hasn’t signed yet this year? 2 for sure.
I read on Twitter that they have enough to charge 5 players

There are five currently five 2018 Canadian WJ players that are not signed in the NHL. Not to draw a parallel to your statement, but just clarifying your number.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Like I said, other than your opinion, you really don't have much to say.

Binding arbitration in the CBA is my opinion?

I understand if you don't have much experience in litigation but why be so confidently wrong?

Strong opinions weakly held may be a better look.

 

[Slats432]

Binding arbitration in the CBA is my opinion?

I understand if you don't have much experience in litigation but why be so confidently wrong?

Strong opinions weakly held may be a better look.

Sure, you want to say the NHLPA could file a grievance on behalf of a player that was showed in the results of the investigation to have broken article 18A of the CBA, I am sure they could. There are numerous examples of players/executives/coaches that would have to apply for reinstatement by the league meaning the league has no problem executing their right to exclude employees that show to have used bad judgement, without criminal charges. Most recently Maillioux, Bowman, Quennville, Voynov.

The league has long overlooked impropriety, and hopefully that has come to an end. I am not looking at vilifying those who are innocent. Just those who are guilty.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Not really. If GM's knew these players participated in a rape (i.e. a buddy of theirs at HC told them this accusation existed) and then proceeded to not say anything and pay them millions of dollars, that's a pretty big issue and speaks to rotten "hockey culture"... don't you think?

I'm not saying they should go to jail. But they shouldn't be in the league.

Rocky Wirtz shouldn't be an owner. I'm not saying he should go to jail.

And if you think that Rocky Wirtz was never told anything... well okay. I can cut you a really good deal on that Monorail. Just need a small deposit first.

Nobody ever mentions that Hawks President, John Mcdounagh, resined before Q was fired and Bowman fired

He was the 1st rat to run and hide