Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[Zippity]

There are five currently five 2018 Canadian WJ players that are not signed in the NHL. Not to draw a parallel to your statement, but just clarifying your number.

Well I guess that jives with the numbers the police said they have evidence to charge

 

[MVP Zacha]

You really think that? See earlier post from Westheads twitter referring to league official assuming there will be defamation suits and 3rd party arbitration.

Do you really believe an employer can use any overly broad employment clause and "do whatever it wants"? Do you have any experience/involvement in litigation.

Saying thing aggressively doesn't make it smarter...

I have plenty of experience in this. I have been a Union Official for over 12 years and most every corporation has an Ethics Policy. They can and do terminate people for violating the Ethics Policy as it is a condition of your employment. I have arbitrated more than a few of these cases and I will say that a neutral arbitrator does not usually look too kindly on these types of cases.

 

[Seanaconda]

He Did? I didn't know that

Car crash i believe a dui he went to jail for a year or so I think

He is good friends with the persons family ,

but yeah lots of players have done worse and have been able to redeem themselves or just keep working.

Depending on when these things happened tho society was at a different place of what is right or wrong and the internet was either not a thing or not as widely used

 

[Slats432]

Well I guess that jives with the numbers the police said they have evidence to charge

And I wanted to make sure that doesn't drive people's opinions since it is possible that the two numbers are not related.

 

[Troy McClure]

That’s a separate issue. You can be suspended with or without pay. You can also mutually agree on various things. The point is, you said he was suspended, he wasnt.

I really don't get what you guys are going for here. Jared was canned before the completion of his criminal due process. He was suspended and then fired all based solely on the court of public opinion. That's exactly why he was a bad example for the "due process" crowd to point to.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I have plenty of experience in this. I have been a Union Official for over 12 years and most every corporation has an Ethics Policy. They can and do terminate people for violating the Ethics Policy as it is a condition of your employment. I have arbitrated more than a few of these cases and I will say that a neutral arbitrator does not usually look too kindly on these types of cases.

Cases without an arrest or a charge? For an offence that didnt happen at work?

I work in corporate governance and operations for one of the largest private equity firms in the world. In my current role, I sit on the other side of the table from you for an entity with many thousands of employees.

I can guarantee you that we would never try to suspend or exit an employee under the above conditions. If we felt that we had no choice due to outside pressure, we would come to agreement and pay out. Granted this is in UK, DACHNL and UAE but it would be the same at most of our NA entities.

We have lots of money, like the NHL, and are a huge target for litigation. Council is always risk adverse with labour relations. We would also never try to be so overly broad in non-compete or morality clauses. Courts hate it and we prefer specific and enforceable clauses.

If you actually believe what you wrote, I will personally give you a recommendation to work at one of the unions that represent our employees!

 

[MVP Zacha]

Cases without an arrest or a charge? For an offence that didnt happen at work?

I work in corporate governance and operations for one of the largest private equity firms in the world. In my current role, I sit on the other side of the table from you for an entity with many thousands of employees.

I can guarantee you that we would never try to suspend or exit an employee under the above conditions. If we felt that we had no choice due to outside pressure, we would come to agreement and pay out. Granted this is in UK, DACHNL and UAE but it would be the same at most of our NA entities.

We have lots of money, like the NHL, and are a huge target for litigation. Council is always risk adverse with labour relations. We would also never try to be so overly broad in non-compete or morality clauses. Courts hate it and we prefer specific and enforceable clauses.

If you actually believe what you wrote, I will personally give you a recommendation to work at one of the unions that represent our employees!

Yes, people have been terminated as a result of violating the Ethics Policy while not at work.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Yes, people have been terminated as a result of violating the Ethics Policy while not at work.

For an unproven incident with no charge or arrest through an employment clause that overly broad...

You must be very good at your job...

 

[Melrose Munch]

Cases without an arrest or a charge? For an offence that didnt happen at work?

I work in corporate governance and operations for one of the largest private equity firms in the world. In my current role, I sit on the other side of the table from you for an entity with many thousands of employees.

I can guarantee you that we would never try to suspend or exit an employee under the above conditions. If we felt that we had no choice due to outside pressure, we would come to agreement and pay out. Granted this is in UK, DACHNL and UAE but it would be the same at most of our NA entities.

We have lots of money, like the NHL, and are a huge target for litigation. Council is always risk adverse with labour relations. We would also never try to be so overly broad in non-compete or morality clauses. Courts hate it and we prefer specific and enforceable clauses.

If you actually believe what you wrote, I will personally give you a recommendation to work at one of the unions that represent our employees!

In the UK Huw Edwards was put on leave and Phil Schofield was fired from ITV for improper behaviour, no criminal charges had been filed against either.

 

[MVP Zacha]

For an unproven incident with no charge or arrest through an employment clause that overly broad...

You must be very good at your job...

I didn't say the allegations were not proven. You asked if they were arrested or not at work when the alleged incident occurred and I responded that they were not at work. Most of these terminations were a violation of the Social Media section of the Ethics Policy. Companies are really starting to take that very seriously.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

The mob shows its virtue by clamoring for harsh and speedy justice, that the law is too slow, too lenient, and will not prevent this from happening.

Speedy? My brother in Christ, this shit went down in 2018. That was five years ago. The players who were involved haven’t even been named yet. What about that seems speedy to you?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

As one of the senior staffers here, I can't wait until the parties all get named and this thread gets a lot less contentious.

(It obviously will get less contentious, right?)

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

As one of the senior staffers here, I can't wait until the parties all get named and this thread gets a lot less contentious.

(It obviously will get less contentious, right?)

Oh honey

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Yes. Many people believe in the conventional definitions of justice and fairness.

I think you have prejudged the players with limited information - I think that makes you wrong.

You think I don't care about victims and want to enable rapists. - you think that makes me wrong and a bad person.

I don't think it possible to engage in a good faith discussion with someone like you. I suggest we just ignore each other

Dude. We've been reading your posts defending these predatory degenerates for over a year now. It's ok, we know what you think.

You don't have to pretend you're outraged and misunderstood.

 

[God]

As one of the senior staffers here, I can't wait until the parties all get named and this thread gets a lot less contentious.

(It obviously will get less contentious, right?)

no because then the discourse will shift from "you weren't there so you don't know what happened and the courts haven't decided anything" to "it was 5 years ago, people make mistakes, time to move on"

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I hope we see some big punishments. Possible terminations.

It's a privilege to make millions playing hockey.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

no because then the discourse will shift from "you weren't there so you don't know what happened and the courts haven't decided anything" to "it was 5 years ago, people make mistakes, time to move on"

I figured you've been here long enough to know that my primary coping mechanism is to be a smartass.

And sitcom memes.

 

[Slats432]

As one of the senior staffers here, I can't wait until the parties all get named and this thread gets a lot less contentious.

(It obviously will get less contentious, right?)

I think the problem with the thread is there are a bunch who have read a ton of it, and feel like it walks like a duck and talks like a duck. Assuming it is a duck, I don't want it to be lenient.

The other bunch are optimistic/hopeful that they aren't guilty and they don't get punished.

If they aren't guilty, then great. Based on all the things I have read, it doesn't look good to that being the case.

 

[Silky Johnson]

In the UK Huw Edwards was put on leave and Phil Schofield was fired from ITV for improper behaviour, no criminal charges had been filed against either.

Schofield admitted what he did (Lying to management) and RESIGNED himself - nothing to do with a morality clause.

The Edwards case is what...a couple weeks old? Both the Sun and BBC are already trying to cover their tracks for the incoming defamation case. He is suspended, with pay and a settlement or suit for damages are certainly not off the table.

Both are on air personalities and I believe are not unionised and covered by a CBA.

It's very possible that the BBC, in this political climate, may be fine with improperly terminating Edwards in the future and eating the lawsuit.

So your examples are one guy who was not fired or suspended and another where the situation is far from being played out....

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

The mob shows its virtue by clamoring for harsh and speedy justice, that the law is too slow, too lenient, and will not prevent this from happening.

The mob can kill, maim, and destroy with impunity because they will slink back to their homes and bear no responsibility for their actions when they acted out of turn and destroyed an innocent. The allegations are that a young woman was raped by a group of men and she will carry those physical and emotional traumas for the rest of her life. Is the mob so virtuous that they would risk destroying the livelihood and reputation of an innocent young man in response?

Society shows its virtue by letting the law and due process work. May the guilty rot and the innocent continue their hockey careers with reputations intact.

Applause to those who are desperately trying to demonstrate how committed to "justice" they are in this thread, but I don't really mean that. There isn't a single person on this f***ing website who advocates for covering up for rapists, and to decry those who defend due process as doing such is pure madness.

Uh oh, another crusader against the woke mob and cancel culture.

And yes, despite how much you deny it, there are people who advocated to cover up the rape.

Keep crusading the imaginary fight brother!

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

As one of the senior staffers here, I can't wait until the parties all get named and this thread gets a lot less contentious.

(It obviously will get less contentious, right?)

40 pages incoming of either:

"The league bowed to the pressure of the woke mob and ruined these guys lives!!!"

or

"Just another example of the toxic hockey boys club protecting their own! Burn it all down!!!!!"

Meanwhile, every single person on this board will continue religiously watch the WJC and fawning over the "character and leadership" of the 18 year old prospect their favorite team drafted despite knowing nothing about them.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I didn't say the allegations were not proven. You asked if they were arrested or not at work when the alleged incident occurred and I responded that they were not at work. Most of these terminations were a violation of the Social Media section of the Ethics Policy. Companies are really starting to take that very seriously.

"Cases without an arrest or a charge? For an offence that didnt happen at work?"

Above is my original question.

So really your point was not analogous to what we are taking about...

 

[Silky Johnson]

Dude. We've been reading your posts defending these predatory degenerates for over a year now. It's ok, we know what you think.

You don't have to pretend you're outraged and misunderstood.

Then stop responding to my posts.

The fact that you are reduced to Ad Hominen attacks tells me all I need to know about you argument.

But since you went there, I'm pretty tired of your virtue signaling a false moral outrage.

 

[GeoRox89]

no because then the discourse will shift from "you weren't there so you don't know what happened and the courts haven't decided anything" to "it was 5 years ago, people make mistakes, time to move on"

This is depressingly accurate about what will happen if the investigation finds misconduct. A mistake is forgetting your relative’s birthday or not noticing the cashier didn’t ring an item up. What happened here (in the context of the investigation conclusion being it’s more likely than not it wasn’t consensual) would not be as trivial as a mistake and defending it as such would be alarming

 

[Silky Johnson]

40 pages incoming of either:

"The league bowed to the pressure of the woke mob and ruined these guys lives!!!"

or

"Just another example of the toxic hockey boys club protecting their own! Burn it all down!!!!!"

Meanwhile, every single person on this board will continue religiously watch the WJC and fawning over the "character and leadership" of the 18 year old prospect their favorite team drafted despite knowing nothing about them.

Yup, because watching hockey is great.