Teams expecting suspensions as 2018 Hockey Canada investigation concludes (update 7/13) up to 8 players from Team Canada to be named

[cowboy82nd]

Isn't the first step the release of police charges before the league report?

You don't need to be charged by the police for the league to enforce their own policies.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

I think if those were our sons coming into the hotel room we would want them to call a cab and take the lady home safely or call an ambulance if she’s too intoxicated. Didn’t happen - bad judgement. But the absolute conviction of some folks that we are dealing with gang rapists here although nobody knows anything is astonishing. I remember Duke lacrosse. Let’s see it play out before we’re baying for blood.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Mmm, as a woman, I know I sure love reading threads of posts from old white dudes (and I know that's what most people on this forum are) saying actually rape isn't a crime and those boys didn't mean it. I had to give up after page eight.



I agree with this comment SO much, especially the edit. The most damning thing, even if it isn't specifically criminal, is the fact they realized "oh, shit, we might have done something bad here" and not only had her record that video but they MADE HER SHOWER AWAY ANY EVIDENCE.

I don't care if the perpetrators never see legal criminal justice. As a woman, I am fully aware convictions for rape are vanishingly rare. I don't need to see them tarred and feathered and strung up on pikes. But getting to play in the NHL is a privilege you earn and which can (and should) be denied you for character reasons just as much as a lack of skill on a sheet of ice. Participating in a gang rape of a woman intoxicated to the point of semi-consiousness, especially if you are unwise enough to participate in such an act on camera, should absolutely be just cause to never get to play another minute of NHL hockey. There are hundreds and thousands of other men who deserve that roster spot who didn't rape someone and get caught.

Some of you need to really search your souls if you think otherwise.

I may not know that detail. Do we know they made her take a shower? Honest question. If not then you’re jumping to conclusions. Some women like a shower after intercourse. I think a lot of men in here know that. And I am pretty sure that if someone close to you was accused of a disgusting crime like that you wouldn’t for one second accept “the girl took a shower after” as any way of determining guilt. If they are guilty of rape then ban them for years or for life.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

They can’t be both suspended and not named.

Don't underestimate the NHL (and hockey in general). Being stuck in old ways and not using any logic whatsoever is right up their alley, lol.

 

[squashmaple]

I may not know that detail. Do we know they made her take a shower? Honest question. If not then you’re jumping to conclusions. Some women like a shower after intercourse. I think a lot of men in here know that. And I am pretty sure that if someone close to you was accused of a disgusting crime like that you wouldn’t for one second accept “the girl took a shower after” as any way of determining guilt. If they are guilty of rape then ban them for years or for life.

I’m not re-traumatizing myself by looking up every piece of media that has been released about this case. I do not owe you that. I invite you to educate yourself on the matter. Google is free, and the details are stomach-turning. But after all, we have to make sure we know all the facts before we deny these boys what are apparently their god-given rights to an NHL roster spot. Imploring everyone to stay extremely neutral over a rape no one disagrees happened is as bad as the freaks here loudly declaring that the woke mob wants to cancel these kids forever.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I think if those were our sons coming into the hotel room we would want them to call a cab and take the lady home safely or call an ambulance if she’s too intoxicated. Didn’t happen - bad judgement. But the absolute conviction of some folks that we are dealing with gang rapists here although nobody knows anything is astonishing. I remember Duke lacrosse. Let’s see it play out before we’re baying for blood.

You should read up on Missoula. Or any other college place where rapes happened on the norm but nothing was done.

 

[BlueOil]

I think if those were our sons coming into the hotel room we would want them to call a cab and take the lady home safely or call an ambulance if she’s too intoxicated. Didn’t happen - bad judgement. But the absolute conviction of some folks that we are dealing with gang rapists here although nobody knows anything is astonishing. I remember Duke lacrosse. Let’s see it play out before we’re baying for blood.

I may not know that detail. Do we know they made her take a shower? Honest question. If not then you’re jumping to conclusions. Some women like a shower after intercourse. I think a lot of men in here know that. And I am pretty sure that if someone close to you was accused of a disgusting crime like that you wouldn’t for one second accept “the girl took a shower after” as any way of determining guilt. If they are guilty of rape then ban them for years or for life.

what a shit sandwich you put out here

if this was an honest question, you would've stopped typing after that. the answer would've mattered.

don't pretend to play both sides if you're clearly on one side

 

[Coaches Coroner]

If we are going to run our justice system around the personal and (understandably) highly biased feelings of alleged victims families we are in trouble.

In fact we are already there. What do you say to the MANY wrongly convicted black men who did additional time for rape and murder because of the victim impact statement of parents?

Justice should be dispassionate.

You say all of this while being oblivious to how clearly biased in favour of accused persons in cases of sexual assault, and demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how things actually work. Bravo.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Pray tell.....how do you know everyone commenting here is old white guys? I am guessing most of the people here are young and what does the color of their skin matter??? I bet you wouldn't say that about other colors!!!

I think people know because you all sound the same on the internet and have the same concern whenever these topics come up (and you're posting on a website that skews older, in a sport that skews toward that demographic, especially in older demographics); get outraged when anyone makes fun of white men, while either thinking making fun of other races or cultures or simply people you disagree with ideologically is funny/joking (and whine that everyone else is just too dang sensitive, but not you) or are ambivalent about it at best.

 

[NyQuil]

I think people know because you all sound the same on the internet and have the same concern whenever these topics come up (and you're posting on a website that skews older, in a sport that skews toward that demographic, especially in older demographics); get outraged when anyone makes fun of white men, while either thinking making fun of other races or cultures or simply people you disagree with ideologically is funny/joking (and whine that everyone else is just too dang sensitive, but not you) or are ambivalent about it at best.

We should round these bastards up and lecture them en masse for the sake of efficiency.

 

[Voight]

Cole already broke up an engagement. Not the hill to die on.

Which is scummy but not something one would lose his career over.

 

[Il Stugotz]

"If NHL names and suspends players allegedly involved, affected players would likely appeal any sanctions to an arbitrator, as per CBA, and may pursue defamation lawsuits vs league, said agent of one player who attended 2018 Hockey Canada gala."

 

[NyQuil]

Lots of bracing going on.

Not a lot of report.

 

[Shad]

Expecting 20 pages of:

Hang them all! Bankrupt their families! Ensure a treacherous life for the next three generations!

Did you see the way they looked at that girl?!

 

[boredmale]

Feel free to reference Article 18-A and 18.19 of the CBA, as well as exhibit 1 - the Standard Player Contract, specifically paragraph 2(e).

This may be an argument if the player had a signed contract at the point this incident happened but if they didn't at the time how would it be legal to use this as a reason to suspend them

 

[Melrose Munch]

"If NHL names and suspends players allegedly involved, affected players would likely appeal any sanctions to an arbitrator, as per CBA, and may pursue defamation lawsuits vs league, said agent of one player who attended 2018 Hockey Canada gala."
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Amazing there are actual people who feel the same way @Silky Johnson does. Hockey culture needs a clean up badly.

There are so many rumors and whispers that even if some of them are unfounded, there is enough to think there is truth to the perceived culture. I’d imagine it is deeply ingrained and I’m not sure how effective oversight would be because I’m sure many of these coaches and higher ups try to be buddy with the kids or “protect” them or look the other way

Will have to be provincial labour authorities and perhaps federal involvement. The monopoly over minor and junior hockey needs to be broken up.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

what a shit sandwich you put out here

if this was an honest question, you would've stopped typing after that. the answer would've mattered.

don't pretend to play both sides if you're clearly on one side

How you can be so certain of what happened and cry wolf when the public information is that limited is peculiar.

Of course I’m playing both sides. That’s what due process is. You don’t seem to have grasped this concept if you’re talking about “playing both sides”. Sure I am. And you know who does too?! Judges when they gather intel and evidence and AFTER that they reach a verdict. You may have personal reason for your thinking I’m not aware of. But I think you’re too quick in your judgement.

 

[NyQuil]

Amazing there are actual people who feel the same way @Silky Johnson does. Hockey culture needs a clean up badly.

If the NHL was serious about hockey culture, they really should have started with cleaning up their own house, starting with the Chicago Blackhawks.

How does a team that hid systematic sexual abuse get to draft the top prospect in hockey within a couple years of the allegations?

It's pathetic.

 

[Melrose Munch]

If the NHL was serious about hockey culture, they really should have started with cleaning up their own house, starting with the Chicago Blackhawks.

How does a team that hid systematic sexual abuse get to draft the top prospect in hockey within a couple years of the allegations?

It's pathetic.

I know what you're saying about the extremities, but suing over bans for this stuff is an admission of guilt IMO.

 

[NyQuil]

I know what you're saying about the extremities, but suing over bans for this stuff is an admission of guilt IMO.

I was just doing that thing in this thread where you accuse people trying to discuss the issue of being just as bad as the perpetrators.

The players can try and sue but I suspect if the NHL pursues it, they will have done their due diligence and are pretty confident that the players won't have a leg to stand on.

The NHL is taking its time issuing the report because they are also undoubtedly preparing for the legal battle to come.

It would have to be the players themselves taking on the appeal and litigation, I can't imagine the optics of a team fighting on behalf of a suspended player working out so well.

 

[bcv]

I read it loud and clear. You went after the wannabe lawyers and how people don’t care about the due process.

It’s targeted to one group. Maybe you should re read what you wrote.

His bias is clear as day.

Same as a lot of people in here.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

You should read up on Missoula. Or any other college place where rapes happened on the norm but nothing was done.

Do you mean the Krakauer book? Haven’t read it m, just heard of it. But I think that’s besides the point. We agree that every case should be taken seriously and investigated. Bury the perpetrators and enablers under the prison. Call out the people who shame the alleged victim, make it safer for them to come forward. What no one needs is a bunch of keyboard Roy Beans calling for frontier justice when emotions run the day and nobody knows what actually happened. Good that those folks aren’t in charge. A f***in nightmare and fascistoid beyond belief. That’s Roland Freisler-esque.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Do you mean the Krakauer book? Haven’t read it m, just heard of it. But I think that’s besides the point. We agree that every case should be taken seriously and investigated. Bury the perpetrators and enablers under the prison. Call out the people who shame the alleged victim, make it safer for them to come forward. What no one needs is a bunch of keyboard Roy Beans calling for frontier justice when emotions run the day and nobody knows what actually happened. Good that those folks aren’t in charge. A f***in nightmare and fascistoid beyond belief. That’s Roland Freisler-esque.

Yet we have keyboard guys like you calling out against the woke mob. You’re doing no better.

There’s more people here crying to the sky about due process and defending the players than the woke mob that y’all are afraid of.

People want to see justice done. Especially in an area that has historically been stacked against the victims.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Did you see the way they looked at that girl?!

I missed that ? How ?

 

[BlueOil]

How you can be so certain of what happened and cry wolf when the public information is that limited is peculiar.

Of course I’m playing both sides. That’s what due process is. You don’t seem to have grasped this concept if you’re talking about “playing both sides”. Sure I am. And you know who does too?! Judges when they gather intel and evidence and AFTER that they reach a verdict. You may have personal reason for your thinking I’m not aware of. But I think you’re too quick in your judgement.

my personal reason is i smelled BS after reading your words. this post only doubles down on the BS.

you are not entertaining both sides at all, you have already judged this situation, and you are discounting parts of the story you admit you did not know about. i do not know how you do not see yourself as someone who is "too quick to judgement". stop using pretending you are being fair when you are so clearly not willing to be. it's not a shield to use when you post shit sandwiches meant to undermine things. take it seriously.