Tavares signing

[LaPlante94]

People really believe that JT's contract had no effect on Matthews' contract? Do you really think Matthew's would've been ok with making less than a player who he is better than that was brought in as a free agent to a team that was supposed to be Matthews' team?

Why would anyone want to trade Nylander to keep JT? The vast majority of forwards in the NHL have already started to decline by the time they hit 30, and if JT hasn't already lost a step there's a good chance it's going to happen soon. Starting this year or next year we could paying JT 11 mil to put up 70 points.

1) JT was a UFA and Matthews was a RFA. Tavares had leverage while Matthews did not.

2) Tavares earned his contract after playing on terrible teams for 9 seasons and still producing at a PPG. Matthews highest point total was 63 points in 62 games and then he had his highest point total season the year Tavares signed here and after he already signed his extension.

3) Once again, point is proven if Matthews puts himself over the team by thinking he deserves more because he had 63 points in 62 games.

4) Tavares has shown he can drive his linemates to be better and has done it his entire career by making bottom 6 players look like 1st line wingers. Marner doesn't do that as well as Tavares, even though he's younger. So I agree, I wouldn't trade Nylander, I would trade Marner over the other 3 mainly because having 2 elite Centers is much better for the team and Nylander can also play C so that's also be valuable.

 

[hotpaws]

1) JT was a UFA and Matthews was a RFA. Tavares had leverage while Matthews did not.

2) Tavares earned his contract after playing on terrible teams for 9 seasons and still producing at a PPG. Matthews highest point total was 63 points in 62 games and then he had his highest point total season the year Tavares signed here and after he already signed his extension.

3) Once again, point is proven if Matthews puts himself over the team by thinking he deserves more because he had 63 points in 62 games.

4) Tavares has shown he can drive his linemates to be better and has done it his entire career by making bottom 6 players look like 1st line wingers. Marner doesn't do that as well as Tavares, even though he's younger. So I agree, I wouldn't trade Nylander, I would trade Marner over the other 3 mainly because having 2 elite Centers is much better for the team and Nylander can also play C so that's also be valuable.

that terrible team poor Johnny had to carry on his back for 9 years did better than we did last year as well as going deeper in the playoffs and has the best record in the league this year while adding no players of significance

and all JT has proven is he can be a ppg if the entire team caters to padding his stats while never leading a team anywhere

 

[colchar]

Is everybody still loving this signing?

I am.

I was against it from day one and it's looking like I was right!

How dafuq were you right?????????

 

[Hustlr]

that terrible team poor Johnny had to carry on his back for 9 years did better than we did last year as well as going deeper in the playoffs and has the best record in the league this year while adding no players of significance

and all JT has proven is he can be a ppg if the entire team caters to padding his stats while never leading a team anywhere

I think it just goes to show we most certainly have the talent. That Isles team on paper is... to be nice... not on our level.

 

[AvroArrow]

Yeah we are stupid for signing an elite 1C for 3M less than other teams offered in FA. Tavares is the problem, we should totally trade him, maybe bring back Bozak the cup winner.

 

[hotpaws]

I think it just goes to show we most certainly have the talent. That Isles team on paper is... to be nice... not on our level.

yup talent especially top end talent we have , unfortunately you also have to have the right pieces to complete the puzzle and we'll have to wait and to see if the pieces fit together but if they don't then that's on Dubas and he takes the fall for it

 

[flying v 604]

Well what examples would you suggest?

Well for starters you would still have your 1st, Kadri and Gardiner 2 players who bled for you guys and Gardiner would have taken a sweetheart deal and you wouldn't be stuck with Barrie whos gone July 1st. Also JT is not elite. He's had what 1 season of being a ppg player? And is proving that Marner helped him not the other way around. He is also not very good in his own end either. A rebuilding team with no depth no elite prospects and impending cap issues should be signing an 11 mill player that is redundant.

 

[hotpaws]

Yeah we are stupid for signing an elite 1C for 3M less than other teams offered in FA. Tavares is the problem, we should totally trade him, maybe bring back Bozak the cup winner.

now it's up too 14m and it went from SJ rumored to have offered 13m to multiple teams offering 14m , lol

if he continues to play like crap it'll be the entire league offered him the full 20% but the great Dube talked him down to 11

the funniest thing is almost every ufa that signs for big money including Clarkson say they were offered more , it's a built in excuse when they know they'll be hard pressed to live up to the deal they signed and i'm always shocked people still believe it , lol

 

[Leafs87]

I like the player. I dislike the timing, cap hit and the implications it had on our internal cap

 

[flying v 604]

I think it just goes to show we most certainly have the talent. That Isles team on paper is... to be nice... not on our level.

Hockey isn't played on paper. Something Dubas hasn't figured out yet. If he doesn't sign JT, at the very least, you still have your 1st Kadri and Gardiner. Having a talented team on paper that plays terrible, is really telling of the character of the team. Now that Babs is gone a lot of leaf fans will be eating crow when things don't change. I mean cuz it's Babs fault against the Isles that with the goalie pulled JT and AM both coupled up the puck in their own zone or the team plays with zero commitment on D.

 

[Hclass47]

Awesome signing. Allowed Leafs to trade one of Matthews, Nylander, Marner for RHD, but this was not done. The "We can and we will" line was nice, but not at those cap hits.

I don’t think you wanted to trade them from the get go. overpayment of the big 3 was the mistake. 3-5M savings gets you another d

 

[hotpaws]

I don’t think you wanted to trade them from the get go. overpayment of the big 3 was the mistake. 3-5M savings gets you another d

who hasn't Dubas overpaid starting with Tavares which started the dominoes to fall one by one

 

[Hustlr]

Hockey isn't played on paper. Something Dubas hasn't figured out yet. If he doesn't sign JT, at the very least, you still have your 1st Kadri and Gardiner. Having a talented team on paper that plays terrible, is really telling of the character of the team. Now that Babs is gone a lot of leaf fans will be eating crow when things don't change. I mean cuz it's Babs fault against the Isles that with the goalie pulled JT and AM both coupled up the puck in their own zone or the team plays with zero commitment on D.

I’ll be ready to eat it

 

[Hclass47]

who hasn't Dubas overpaid starting with Tavares which started the dominoes to fall one by one

Kerfoot Is the only one that comes to mind

 

[Cotton]

Tavares made bank on his 3rd contract - which has been the long established trend. Things got out of whack when the kids started demanding the big bucks coming out of their ELC's.

So no, I don't blame Tavares, and I don't think he's responsible for any of this nonsense.

 

[hotpaws]

Tavares made bank on his 3rd contract - which has been the long established trend. Things got out of whack when the kids started demanding the big bucks coming out of their ELC's.

So no, I don't blame Tavares, and I don't think he's responsible for any of this nonsense.

I don't blame Tavares for cashing in but his contract set an internal comparable that Mathews and Marner used to demand there contracts and i'd much rather pay a player who's entering there prime huge money than a player nearing there end

and giving out huge ufa deals tend to come back to bite you in the ass much more than handing out huge deals to high end younger playerscoming off there elc's

also there's no guarantee players that wait until there late 20's will get that huge deal so i don't blame them for trying to cash in when they can

 

[Ashdown2]

**facepalm**
comeing off 47 goals an hes not even 30 yet ..

 

[BayStreetBully]

I don't blame Tavares for cashing in but his contract set an internal comparable that Mathews and Marner used to demand there contracts and i'd much rather pay a player who's entering there prime huge money than a player nearing there end

and giving out huge ufa deals tend to come back to bite you in the ass much more than handing out huge deals to high end younger playerscoming off there elc's

also there's no guarantee players that wait until there late 20's will get that huge deal so i don't blame them for trying to cash in when they can

A smart and tough GM would’ve told the kids from the start that Tavares is not a comparable and that that was non-negotiable.

 

[hotpaws]

A smart and tough GM would’ve told the kids from the start that Tavares is not a comparable and that that was non-negotiable.

a smart tough GM would have understood that it was kids that led us out of the toilet and they were the top priority of the team so if the ufa wanted to join the up and coming team then he had to come in at a team friendly number

 

[BayStreetBully]

a smart tough GM would have understood that it was kids that led us out of the toilet and they were the top priority of the team so if the ufa wanted to join the up and coming team then he had to come in at a team friendly number

A smart and tough GM wouldn’t have let the kids bend him over, thereby leading the team back into the toilet.

 

[hotpaws]

A smart and tough GM wouldn’t have let the kids bend him over, thereby leading the team back into the toilet.

a smart tough GM doesn't let the kids or the ufa's bend him over

but who knows , maybe Dubas likes to get bent over and that's why everybody is taking there turn on him , he's probably developed an entire process on how he bends over to best maximize the experience and limit inefficiencies from different participants

 

[AreBe]

1) JT was a UFA and Matthews was a RFA. Tavares had leverage while Matthews did not.
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4) Tavares has shown he can drive his linemates to be better and has done it his entire career by making bottom 6 players look like 1st line wingers. Marner doesn't do that as well as Tavares, even though he's younger. So I agree, I wouldn't trade Nylander, I would trade Marner over the other 3 mainly because having 2 elite Centers is much better for the team and Nylander can also play C so that's also be valuable.

Absolutely correct.

You need to act cautiously with unrestricted free agents. Although Moron Man, chief Leafs Nation philosopher, vigorously disagrees but he sums up the disaster while praising the Leafs getting unrestricted free agents, "What you want to do, when you have money like the Leafs have, is get those proven veterans here to show the young guys how to do it. You need veterans who know how to play the right way, with grit, toughness, and know how to throw their weight around in a close game in the third period or in overtime during the playoffs. (NOTE: Code for penalty box parade for the Leafs as the fix is in against Canadian teams) It's stupid to pay these young guns who haven't won anything like Dubas has done. What you do is pay guys who won cups before. They have proven their worth, so you bring them here, as many as you can! Heck, half of them were born in the GTA and live in Muskoka in the off season, surely they would love to come here where they can be media stars! Stupid Dubas, paying these players who haven't earned it! Get rid of these selfish kids! Pay the veterans! They know how to win. "

And that is how you become older, slower, weaker, and more injury prone. Stupid, stupid, stupid, and what Leafs Nation demands.

No more paying players for cups won a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, which is what Moron Man wants.

Tavares is going to be OK but we need to surround him with skill guys.

New coach will unleash the skill.

Grind- it- out is out, let 'er rip is in, and Tavares will be better for it.

 

[AvroArrow]

now it's up too 14m and it went from SJ rumored to have offered 13m to multiple teams offering 14m , lol

if he continues to play like crap it'll be the entire league offered him the full 20% but the great Dube talked him down to 11

the funniest thing is almost every ufa that signs for big money including Clarkson say they were offered more , it's a built in excuse when they know they'll be hard pressed to live up to the deal they signed and i'm always shocked people still believe it , lol

LOL.

Edit: Oh god just saw your username, not surprised by the comment anymore

 

[hotpaws]

LOL.

you actually think JT is having a good season so far ?

 

[Walshy7]

anyone else think JT's return to toronto yesterday seems suspicious after we found out about Babs firing? like they got him out of the firing line?

tin foil hat stuff maybe but possible