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DALLER66 said:
If Tavares is an elite number 1 than why did your stats say otherwise ? PP from 2nd to 18th once he arrived ? .. also note the islanders team hasn’t changed that much over the last 5 years and all of a sudden once Tavares leAves they are a top 3 team in the NHL ? Seems to be a lot of headscratching here ..
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Uh, no? They literally had the Cup champ coach fall into their laps with the only vacancy. He completely revamped their systems. Problem they'll have is they can win games but not having game breakers will be their undoing over the long haul. Polar opposite of Toronto. Let's see if Keefe can fix that.
 
The leagues changed. It’s not worth paying 30 year olds 11 million per year anymore. Tavares is a great player but the kids are better than than the veterans with the way the rules are now. Look at the top 20 scorers, only three are over 30 years old: Kane, Ovi & Marchand.
 
Matthews34 said:
Is everybody still loving this signing? I was against it from day one and it's looking like I was right! This deal is going to be bad! It might even be the reason this Leafs team never wins a cup.
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You make that move 11 times out of 10. Ask yourself what is easier to find, a number one centre or depth? Also look back at how many years Leaf fans cried about not having a top center.
 
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JohnnyBerts said:
The leagues changed. It’s not worth paying 30 year olds 11 million per year anymore. Tavares is a great player but the kids are better than than the veterans with the way the rules are now. Look at the top 20 scorers, only three are over 30 years old: Kane, Ovi & Marchand.
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Tavares had 47 goals last year and one of the best goal scoring seasons in leafs history.

Stamkos is the only center with more goals than him since he entered the league and Ovechkin is the only other player with more goals.

He's worth $11M any day of the week and guys like this usually play well into their mid-30's easily.

He's 29 now. After July 1st going into his last 3 seasons he's only owed $16.81M total or an average of $5.61 per year. Even if he regresses substancially and we need the cap space, that's an easily movable figure.
 
JT has looked much slower this year. He will still put up good numbers for the next few years but I could see the last couple years being ugly
 
LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Tavares had 47 goals last year and one of the best goal scoring seasons in leafs history.

Stamkos is the only center with more goals than him since he entered the league and Ovechkin is the only other player with more goals.

He's worth $11M any day of the week and guys like this usually play well into their mid-30's easily.

He's 29 now. After July 1st going into his last 3 seasons he's only owed $16.81M total or an average of $5.61 per year. Even if he regresses substancially and we need the cap space, that's an easily movable figure.
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I get your justification for the figures but the cap hit is always going to be 11 mill. It doesn’t matter if he’s only getting 1 mill in year 7 when the cap hit is still 11.

Doesn’t address what I said though. Only three players over 30 are in the top 20 in scoring. The league has changed to favour speed and skill. So when you’re 29 maybe you can still skate with the 22 year olds but that cliffs coming for you quickly and for Johnny it’s right around the corner. He’ll be 30 when the season starts next year and for years 3-7 of his contract you’re paying 11 mill per season for a non top 20 scorer. Too much.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player by any stretch but at his age he wasn’t the player I would have spent 11 million of my cap on to turn this team into a contender is all I’m saying.
 
I absolutely believe if a GM has the chance to get legit first line player in his prime without having to give anything up (i.e. as a free agent vs. via trade), then it's a move you have to make.

However, in the Leafs case they have had to "give up" as his contract contributed directly to their cap crunch last summer. For example, no Tavares and no need to move Marleau and give up a first in the process. I get that Dubas didn't know then that Marner was going to go crazy and push $11M/per but that was the risk.

The bigger concern was that the Leafs were not able to seriously address a blue line that was been weak for years (and years and years). Having Tavares' $11M available would have given the Leafs options, if not through free agency then the ability to trade for a contract with term and not have to bring in possible stop-gap players like Barrie and Ceci.

Not exactly the same situation but similar was the Kessel trade. The Leafs had an urgent need at center but instead used two very valuable firsts to get a winger. After the trade they still had the same problem and now less options to address it without the picks.

With signing Tavares, the Leafs still need blueline help (if not this year then next and beyond), have one less first from having to move Marleau and absolutely no cap space to do anything and with 5 of their current roster d-men UFA this summer, the other (Dermott) an RFA.

Looking back, if I'm Dubas, I still make the deal but with a lot of concern about how I'm going to address that blue line and navigate a serious cap crunch for years to come.
 
Aome.of.the tskes in this thread are going to age like warm milk left out in the sun on a scoarchibg hot day...

The ides of a top 10 centre in the league as being "not needed" or "non essential" is nonsensical. Its one of the most important positions, if not THE most important one in hockey nd also happens to be one of the rarest ones to find.

I get that some people are concemred about thr cap position of the team - which is fair - but if paying a 1st round pick is the price to add a player like him than so be it (imagong trying tl offer Marleau + 1st) as a trade package for a comparable player -its be laughable

Its also fair to say he hasnt played at his best -but lets also notnprrtend hebisnt dealing with some fsirky substantial perosnal life stuff right here - ie a first time father with a newborn right at the start ofnthr season is hardly ideal for anyone trying to concentrate on their game...
 
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I absolutely believe if a GM has the chance to get legit first line player in his prime without having to give anything up (i.e. as a free agent vs. via trade), then it's a move you have to make.

However, in the Leafs case they have had to "give up" as his contract contributed directly to their cap crunch last summer. For example, no Tavares and no need to move Marleau and give up a first in the process. I get that Dubas didn't know then that Marner was going to go crazy and push $11M/per but that was the risk.

The bigger concern was that the Leafs were not able to seriously address a blue line that was been weak for years (and years and years). Having Tavares' $11M available would have given the Leafs options, if not through free agency then the ability to trade for a contract with term and not have to bring in possible stop-gap players like Barrie and Ceci.

Not exactly the same situation but similar was the Kessel trade. The Leafs had an urgent need at center but instead used two very valuable firsts to get a winger. After the trade they still had the same problem and now less options to address it without the picks.

With signing Tavares, the Leafs still need blueline help (if not this year then next and beyond), have one less first from having to move Marleau and absolutely no cap space to do anything and with 5 of their current roster d-men UFA this summer, the other (Dermott) an RFA.

Looking back, if I'm Dubas, I still make the deal but with a lot of concern about how I'm going to address that blue line and navigate a serious cap crunch for years to come.
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Being firm in negotiations with the kids could’ve went a long way. That was completely within Dubas’ control. Too bad the kids couldn’t learn from how Tavares took a discount coming off his ELC years ago.

Great UFA Tavares signing, terrible RFA kid signings by Dubas.
 
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I’m sorry but The guy is void of any leadership qualities.

I know some players go about things in a lead by example kind of way, but as an observer I don’t get any captain qualities from him at all.

I hate how this team just handed him the Captaincy. Here we are 4 years later and we’re still a spineless team. Fukk.
 
fancy lad said:
I’m sorry but The guy is void of any leadership qualities.

I know some players go about things in a lead by example kind of way, but as an observer I don’t get any captain qualities from him at all.

I hate how this team just handed him the Captaincy. Here we are 4 years later and we’re still a spineless team. Fukk.
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No single player can change that. They either have balls or they don't.
 
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PROUD PAPA said:
No single player can change that. They either have balls or they don't.
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Tampa Bay signs Stamkos for 8.5m. Toronto signs Tavares for 11m.

Tampa questions resigning Stamkos at 33m....watch Toronto gonna re-signTavarss for 11m.

Taxes or not, all teams have the same cap ceiling to work with.
 
fancy lad said:
I’m sorry but The guy is void of any leadership qualities.

I know some players go about things in a lead by example kind of way, but as an observer I don’t get any captain qualities from him at all.

I hate how this team just handed him the Captaincy. Here we are 4 years later and we’re still a spineless team. Fukk.
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Johnny has tremendous leadership qualities , they're just not the type you'd associate with being a captain of a hockey team .

He taught M and M that you too can get overpaid before ever having team or even individual playoff success .

he also taught them or tried to that all you need to do to deflect criticism away from yourself due to being overpaid is have a good back story i.e. another team was rumored to have offered me 13/14/35 mil per yr

AM first tried the ''i wanted to sign longer but i wanted to help the teams cap so i signed for a shorter term and less dollars" which didn't gain any traction since his cap hit should have been for 8yrs so he then went with ''Phoenix was going to offer sheet him to 20% of the cap'' which enough fans bought hook line and sinker . Too bad the Yotes were evicted for not paying rent a short time after the signing which proves the story was a fairy tale .

unfortunately for Mitch his back story never caught on , he tried the another team offered him x dollars but he was so much higher than his comps few if any believed them , maybe he should have gone in front a camera and mumble ''um ahh yea'' in a monotone voice and with a blank stare and people will think there's something wrong with him like Johnny and leave him be
 
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People were so so so wrong about Tavares

He has been 2-3M overpaid in the reg season and 4-5M in the playoffs

He killed our contention chances. Underproduces and fails to perform both in reg season and playoffs.
 
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If another team signed Tavares to that contract they would get their stars signed for under what they got in Toronto. We see it with all the other teams signing their players for under what we get.

We’ll see what happens with petterson in Vancouver.
 
Just watched the interview with Shanahan about the state of the team. Not personally a Toronto fan, never have been, but as I've watched a lot of their guys in the juniors I've kept up with them. As a life-long Red Wings fan I remember growing up with him on the team, remember his exit from the team and how a lot of fans were fuming with him afterwards. Right out of the gates, he's was pointing to parity and the cap. Take the heat off himself and focus it towards somewhere else to try and divert criticism. Comes across like a cement head to mention the lack of cap-space growth when Matthews/Marner/Tavares take up over 40% of their cap space (and they just signed Matthews to a massive extension). Gets put on the spot about regulation wins and actually says "glass half full person in me says...".
 
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Just watched the interview with Shanahan about the state of the team. Not personally a Toronto fan, never have been, but as I've watched a lot of their guys in the juniors I've kept up with them. As a life-long Red Wings fan I remember growing up with him on the team, remember his exit from the team and how a lot of fans were fuming with him afterwards. Right out of the gates, he's was pointing to parity and the cap. Take the heat off himself and focus it towards somewhere else to try and divert criticism. Comes across like a cement head to mention the lack of cap-space growth when Matthews/Marner/Tavares take up over 40% of their cap space (and they just signed Matthews to a massive extension). Gets put on the spot about regulation wins and actually says "glass half full person in me says...".
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He's full of it. He said that the "stars" should all take a discount then folded when they wouldn't.
 
fancy lad said:
I’m sorry but The guy is void of any leadership qualities.

I know some players go about things in a lead by example kind of way, but as an observer I don’t get any captain qualities from him at all.

I hate how this team just handed him the Captaincy. Here we are 4 years later and we’re still a spineless team. Fukk.
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you need to bump a 4 year old thread to let everyone know this?
 
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