Tavares signing
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On pace for 25 goals. This guy is severely underperforming his contract. Is there anyway we could convince him to waive his NMC? It's sad watching him out there.
Let's not be part of revisionist historians here with regards to Naz.
The feeling by a large swath of the fanbase, and obviously from management was that he needed to go due to getting ejected in 2 straight playoff series.
There was little to no consideration made for the contract of either Naz or how it related to the returning players or to the others in the team.
Let's not throw shade on a player who had 0 impact on the departure of Naz.
Stephen
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We are just soft landing the contract at this point. It’s a 6 year old contract, we’ve seen some great hockey, some meh hockey and I don’t think we can still have those 2018 expectations…
GoonieFace
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Yeah but he got an assist and was a plus 2 yesterday…I didn’t even know he was in the lineup
Yeah, he didn't show up often. Had the nice effort on the Kampf goal.
His other +, the Marner from Rielly and Brodie goal had absolutely nothing to do with John. My kids goldfish could've gotten a + if you'd laid the tank in the corner.
Drytoast
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Tavares isn't my concern. His contract is up in a year and he's gonna likely sign in for half it's current value. (or if he doesn't...f*** off)
My concern is Matthews coming in next year at 13.5 and he is CLEARLY not to that value. My concern is that we are likely to overpay for Nylander. My concern is what Marner is going to demand.
I hate this core. It's over paid and underperforming since its inception.
My concern is Matthews coming in next year at 13.5 and he is CLEARLY not to that value. My concern is that we are likely to overpay for Nylander. My concern is what Marner is going to demand.
I hate this core. It's over paid and underperforming since its inception.
WillyC
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The man has been consistent for his whole career… pretty much exactly what I expected.
Hometown star coming home to play for the team he idolized growing up… yeah, I’m on board with that.
I remember first hearing Joe Bowen coin the phrase “Johnny Toronto”… thinking, yes, welcome home John Tavares.
Hometown star coming home to play for the team he idolized growing up… yeah, I’m on board with that.
I remember first hearing Joe Bowen coin the phrase “Johnny Toronto”… thinking, yes, welcome home John Tavares.
RunItBackAgain
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He was right.
Imagine this team with Naz and Pietrangelo and the RFA stars not demanding more money than Tavares received. He f***ed us in multiple ways.
PROUD PAPA
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If only the GM could participate in negotiations. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten so overpaid.
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ACC1224
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How do we know Pietrangelo signs with us? Everything is hindsight. You can make decisions based on a hope and prayer. Could you imagine how mediocre this team probably is without Naz who was getting traded anyway, without Tavares, and no Pietrangelo.
The only thing in our control was to sign the RFA’s to bridge contracts to maximize your cup window. That’s where they went wrong. Tavares was the right play, overpaying on RFA deals single handedly cost us.
hamzarocks
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Think he is talking about Nylander being dealt when holding out
Rumors that the Blues were looking at Pietrangelo for Nylander deal in Nov/Dec 2018 when Nylander sat
Its been way to long since, and maybe that move would have lined up and worked but idk, would have had a lot of changes to our team to make and who knows how Dubas would have done
Matthews4Calder
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I've been saying that for years. Core needs to be broken up. Unfortunately management are clueless and keep caving in to their demands. We aren't winning anything with this bunch but MLSE are ok with regular season success.
hotpaws
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The team was young and on the upswing , had 105 pts with Willie and M and M just in their 2nd season so no the team would have not been anywhere near mediocre had they not signed JT .
Even if they did decide to trade Naz they would have looked for a different deal instead of the 2fer Dubas did to try to plug two holes since they would have had much more cap space to work . Hell they may have just decided to keep him since they wouldn't have spent 11m on a second line center .
The Tavares signing did nothing to improve the team and just pushed M and M's ask up as it rightfully should have since both are head and shoulders better that Dubas' captain .
The funniest part of the "without Tavares the world would end" narrative is how we've done nothing but spin our wheels with him and the Islanders who were supposed to be a group of AHLers JT had to drag around on his back instantly had the most success they've had in 4 decades without him .
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RunItBackAgain
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You can’t click the button to see previous post? You said OP was wrong but years later we can now see he was most certainly right.
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That says more about the organization than it does about JT. What that tells me is the players they drafted and developed don’t have those character traits to be successful. Again it comes back down to overpaying RFA. Are we forgetting that Dubas gave Andreas Johnsson a 4.5 million dollar contract? And Kapanen a 3.5. And they really didn’t do much. The guy was consistently overpaying. Look at Pittsburgh right now, he blew through their cap instantly.
Also JT scored the game winner that sent the Islanders past the first round, I don’t think that group of Ahlers were dragging anything.
therealkoho
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Easier I suppose to apply the lash to the team captain than to dare criticize you know whom!
hamzarocks
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Johnson got 3.4M x 4 after being a 45-50 pt guy at 24ish was a good deal
Kapa got 3.2 x 3 after a 45-50 pt year at 23ish another solid deal
Dubas screwed up by keeping both at the cost of our 2020 1st to Dump Marleau and then trading Kadri for a offense only UFA D who was looking to make money not win games
Had we dealth Marleau + Johnson for mid pick we save our 2020 1st, we can assess a kadri deal in season and we don't put our eggs all on Tyson Barrie
The 2019 offseason was terrible by Dubas.
Signing Tavares/the core 3 to overpayments did cost us L/T ability to retain our surplus of top 5 frward depth
Hyman, Brown, Kap, AJ, Moore, Kadri all gone with 2 years of the JT signing and subsequent big 3 signings fiasco
How far do you think you can go with 5 million of wasted cap? Panthers proved you can at least get to the finals.
hotpaws
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JT was on the Island for almost a decade , they made the playoffs 4 times while advancing to the second rd once and all you heard was how poor Johnny was stuck carrying around a bunch of AHL'ers . Johnny's been gone for 5 yrs , they've made the playoffs 4 times while winning a rd 3 times and going to the conference finals twice .
What that tells me is that Johnny was grossly overrated and was holding back the team and not someone you hand the highest salary in the game too at that time .
Why Tavares keeps getting a free pass while everyone else gets shit on is beyond me . The guys never done shit team wise but he's always above being criticized regardless of how poorly he plays
Dubas is incompetent and should have never been hired but his mistakes started by signing Tavares which led to everyone else upping there ask . Thankfully he's no longer our problem , i was really hopping he'd have gone to Boston . had enough of those f***ers losing core pieces and still putting out competitive teams!
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hamzarocks
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What wasted cap space did the Panthers have in that run?
Bobrovsky played like a 11M goalie not the 5M goalie he was in the reg season
He provided major value even outplaying his crazy cap hit in that run
Tavares provides negative value of 4-5M on his contract in the playoffs.
If tavares was a 1.2-1.4 ppg player in the playoffs for us he'd be giving us that type of value that Bob gave and we might have won a cup/made the finals
Him giving us 0.70 ppg over his leafs playoff career while being poor defensively and not able to provide physicality/big moment hits holds back our team. We can't win in the playoffs with a 11M playing like a 6M one
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hotpaws
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Lou got Brown/Hyman signed much cheaper and putting up a few extra points on a high scoring team shouldn't escalate your salary that much .
One of Dubies many problems is he's always making moves for the short term . Had he traded Kap and Mango a yr earlier he would have saved himself from being squeezed on cap space and wouldn't have had to give up what turned out to be a fairly high 1st to dump Marleau , hell it shouldn't have taken a 1st to dump Marleau regardless . Dubas is just a weak incompetent bitch and while i would love nothing more than watching Pitt plummet in the standing this year i take no joy in watching Sid and Geno playing on a bottom feeder .
