Sweden is not a hockey power anymore

[jonlin]

I mean, do you seriously believe that Hakanpää & Lindell are better stay at home D-men than Brodin, H. Lindholm & Ekholm?

I answered this post. Going with theese 5 as your countryman suggested isnt going to work:

#3 Hedman 11+39 = 50 points
#13 Dahlin 8+25 = 33 points
#28 Andersson 2025 = 27 points
#28 EK 8+18 = 26 points
#32 Klingberg 1+25 = 26 points

 

[jonlin]

Canada
Sweden
USA
Finland
Russia

This is how it is. Sweden is better than Finland(Defense and forward depth), than Russia(Centers, forward depth, defense). As for USA, roster of USA is better but they consistently underperform as a group.

Are you suggesting Sweden is better at forwards, because your 3-4th lines are marginally better than Finland? Even though Finlands top6 and center-depth is better than yours.

 

[kirppu]

I mean, do you seriously believe that Hakanpää & Lindell are better stay at home D-men than Brodin, H. Lindholm & Ekholm?

 

[kirppu]

Yes, that's what he really means. Both defenders are perfectly suited to the Finnish way of playing for the national team.

 

[Filip Karlsson]

Yes, that's what he really means. Both defenders are perfectly suited to the Finnish way of playing for the national team.

Sure, but that doesn't make them better players?

 

[Snowsii]

As for young players, Sweden has more top prospects than Finland and Russia. The only weakness is probably the fact that Sweden doesn't have Michkov-esque prospects, but Sweden is a rather small country, such prospects are not often.

Finland has better Centers than Sweden..

Or show me better Centers than; Barkov, Aho, Hintz, Lundell.. Also Rantanen has played Center when Mackinnon were hurt, and didnt lose a step..

 

[jonlin]

Sure, but that doesn't make them better players?

No, but that makes them a better TEAM. Hockey is a teamgame, not an individual sport as Finland has shown the last 10yrs.

 

[Filip Karlsson]

No, but that makes them a better TEAM. Hockey is a teamgame, not an individual sport as Finland has shown the last 10yrs.

This is a direct quote from your earlier post
”I`d argue that Lindell and Hakanpää are better at defence than 4 of thoose”

My point is that them being better at defense than Erik Karlsson or Rasmus Dahlin is 100% irrelevant cause their different player types. Then you said Sweden can't have 5 PPQB’s. But with Ekholm, Lindholm & Brodin we could easily have a shutdown option per pair.

So what is your point? If we stick to the players, not what team has had recent success. Cause you know, you said Lindell and Hakanpää were better at defending

 

[Mestaruus]

Sweden just needs to find their own gold finger like Jukka Jalonen is for Finland. Grönborg was that, but I guess that Sweden didn't give him high enough raise in salary so he slipped away. Get Grönborg back if Sam Hallam doesn't work out.

Jukka Jalonen has done the same thing. He left and came back. Same will happen with Kari Jalonen he left once and he will most likely come back at some point. Same could happen with Grönborg who is younger than the pair of Jalonens.

 

[Onehitwonder]

It depends on what you call a superpower. Sweden just have been overtaken by finns, but they are surely 4th or 5th best nation with Russia. It is true that they are not producing as much talent as they used to, but it will fix in time.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Sweden just needs to find their own gold finger like Jukka Jalonen is for Finland. Grönborg was that, but I guess that Sweden didn't give him high enough raise in salary so he slipped away. Get Grönborg back if Sam Hallam doesn't work out.

Jukka Jalonen has done the same thing. He left and came back. Same will happen with Kari Jalonen he left once and he will most likely come back at some point. Same could happen with Grönborg who is younger than the pair of Jalonens.

Adding only that for Jukka Jalonen those years of absence from NT hockey were crucial for him to become what he is now. Time period to get new experiences from and perspectives to his profession.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

It depends on what you call a superpower. Sweden just have been overtaken by finns, but they are surely 4th or 5th best nation with Russia. It is true that they are not producing as much talent as they used to, but it will fix in time.

I mean the drafts the last years has beem very good for sweden, 6 first rounders last year etc

Sweden should hire Mikko Manner, he's been assisting coach to Jalonen and is coaching Brynäs right now

 

[MNRube]

Its undeniably a Top 5 team in best on best hockey who still produces top picks almost every year. This thread is dumb.

 

[peconcan]

You can’t judge a team based on results where their best players weren’t even playing. You are crazy if you think Sweden is worse than Germany Czech, Slovakia when NHLers are involved. Canada USA Russia Sweden and Finland are still the top 5

 

[Snauen]

I answered this post. Going with theese 5 as your countryman suggested isnt going to work:

#3 Hedman 11+39 = 50 points
#13 Dahlin 8+25 = 33 points
#28 Andersson 2025 = 27 points
#28 EK 8+18 = 26 points
#32 Klingberg 1+25 = 26 points

"Countryman" ? You think its odd with Swedish posters in this thread..?

 

[Deas]

Finland have better defenders than Sweden. A lot better. Swedish defenders are good offensivly but utter shit in their own zone unlik the finnish defenders who are great in their own zone. Being a defender is after all 90 % about defending.

I feel your anger, haha. Also, I’ll send out the memo so action can be taken. ”Dear Swedish hockey management. Hedman, Brodin, Lindholm and Ekholm are utter shit in their own zone.”

 

[Husqvarna]

Yellow, yellow sjunkande submarine .

 

[Mestaruus]

Sweden will bounce back. Soon I'll be mad as a Finn about Sweden winning everything again.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Sweden will bounce back. Soon I'll be mad as a Finn about Sweden winning everything again.

Yes, indeed. It's kinda funny, fluffy, cute, and rather weird that Finns try convince their Nordic brothers "Everything is OK" in this topic, when we all are pretty sure that when the time comes again when Svea-Mamma spanks Maiden of Finland it can be everything else than funny, fluffy, and cute. Weird.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I mean, do you seriously believe that Hakanpää & Lindell are better stay at home D-men than Brodin, H. Lindholm & Ekholm?

well they are. brodin, lindholm and ekholm are 2-way. eazy stressed and not that physical. while lindell and hakanpää strenght is defensivly and physciality and calmness.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Sweden just needs to find their own gold finger like Jukka Jalonen is for Finland. Grönborg was that, but I guess that Sweden didn't give him high enough raise in salary so he slipped away. Get Grönborg back if Sam Hallam doesn't work out.

Jukka Jalonen has done the same thing. He left and came back. Same will happen with Kari Jalonen he left once and he will most likely come back at some point. Same could happen with Grönborg who is younger than the pair of Jalonens.

grönborg:

lost to team europe in world cup 2016
lost to germany in olympics qf
lost to team finland Ö/Z in 2019 wc
struggled in wc 2017 and 2018 with monster rosters
swedish always looked slow and tired with his as the coach.
go and ask zurich fans what they think about grönborg. is not positive.

this guy is supposed to be good? i think not. there is few good swedish coaches. i dont think hallam is anything special. roger rönnberg is the best we have.

 

[Mestaruus]

grönborg:

lost to team europe in world cup 2016
lost to germany in olympics qf
lost to team finland Ö/Z in 2019 wc
struggled in wc 2017 and 2018 with monster rosters
swedish always looked slow and tired with his as the coach.
go and ask zurich fans what they think about grönborg. is not positive.

this guy is supposed to be good? i think not. there is few good swedish coaches. i dont think hallam is anything special. roger rönnberg is the best we have.

Didn't he make Sweden get 3 WHC golds in a row. That's a very good accomplishment.

Also some coaches are good club team coaches and can't coach national teams in tournaments and vice versa. Jukka Jalonen did get fired from SKA St. Petersburg if I remember right. In Jalonen's case he is not a bad club team coach though.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

For whatever reason, it at least seemed NHLers were excited to join Grönborg’s national team, which in turn made the WHCs more engaging, fun and interesting for fans.

 

[Snauen]

grönborg:

lost to team europe in world cup 2016
lost to germany in olympics qf
lost to team finland Ö/Z in 2019 wc
struggled in wc 2017 and 2018 with monster rosters
swedish always looked slow and tired with his as the coach.
go and ask zurich fans what they think about grönborg. is not positive.

this guy is supposed to be good? i think not. there is few good swedish coaches. i dont think hallam is anything special. roger rönnberg is the best we have.

"Struggled in wc 2017 and 2018, with monster rosters" ..... If I'd been in other mood I merely would have been laughing at you. Im not though. They won thoose wc-tournaments in -17 and -18, you know(?)! You are mocking every other hockey country by whining over Swedens state of hockey, calling it "struggling" after winning the wc two years in a row. We have access to "monster rosters" yet we are "not a hockey power anymore".
Shut up already , or stop trolling the Finns, or what ever this is

 

[Love]

I'm guessing this is a troll thread? Or just some kind of weird hatred/bias against Sweden?

Landeskog-Backstrom-Lindholm
Bratt-Zibanejad-Nylander
Arvidsson-Pettersson-Forsberg
Kempe-Eriksson Ek-Raymond

Hedman-Klingberg
Ekholm-Karlsson
Lindholm-Dahlin

Markstrom
Lehner

This roster competes with any country in a best on best. This team literally has no weaknesses.