Sweden is not a hockey power anymore

[SoundAndFury]

you are mocking every other hockey country by whining over Swedens state of hockey, calling it "struggling" after winning the wc two years in a row.

This is the best explanation yet. Maybe Eye of Ra is a secret genius after all.

 

[fredligh]

[MOD] the 2018/2022 olympics is basically a glorified euro hockey tour/spengler cup hybrid. Take a pen and a paper, now count lines of five of how many ice hockey players that could take anybodys place in this tournament. I get that for a fringe country like slovakia or denmark, this is their time to shine, because the american, swedish and canadian team is playing their F-team, Russia and Finland are the clearcut favorites because of their KHL talent.

 

[Svedu]

This is so stupid i must report this thread for trolling, the 2018/2022 olympics is basically a glorified euro hockey tour/spengler cup hybrid. Take a pen and a paper, now count lines of five of how many ice hockey players that could take anybodys place in this tournament. I get that for a fringe country like slovakia or denmark, this is their time to shine, because the american, swedish and canadian team is playing their F-team, Russia and Finland are the clearcut favorites because of their KHL talent.

2021 MEN'S WORLD RANKING

RANK	TEAM	POINTS	MOVEMENT
1	Canada	3235	0
2	Finland	3125	+1
3	Russia	3050	-1
4	United States	2945	+2
5	Germany	2905	+2
6	Czechia	2895	-1
7	Sweden	2880	-3

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2021 WOMEN'S WORLD RANKING

RANK	TEAM	POINTS	MOVEMENT
1	United States	3260	0
2	Canada	3210	0
3	Finland	3100	0
4	Russia	2985	0
5	Switzerland	2955	0
6	Japan	2840	0
7	Czechia	2795	0
8	Germany	2740	0
9	Sweden	2640	0

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It's quite easy to understand and claim that Finland overall would be better than Sweden in hockey right now. Put your F-team in your a*se

 

[Hasa92]

2021 MEN'S WORLD RANKING

RANK	TEAM	POINTS	MOVEMENT
1	Canada	3235	0
2	Finland	3125	+1
3	Russia	3050	-1
4	United States	2945	+2
5	Germany	2905	+2
6	Czechia	2895	-1
7	Sweden	2880	-3

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2021 WOMEN'S WORLD RANKING

RANK	TEAM	POINTS	MOVEMENT
1	United States	3260	0
2	Canada	3210	0
3	Finland	3100	0
4	Russia	2985	0
5	Switzerland	2955	0
6	Japan	2840	0
7	Czechia	2795	0
8	Germany	2740	0
9	Sweden	2640	0

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It's quite easy to understand and claim that Finland overall would be better than Sweden in hockey right now. Put your F-team in your a*se

It is a solid argument that Sweden has played their D-F teams in recent tournaments and thus these results shouldn't be read like the bible.

However, Finland has now won: Olympic Gold, WC silver and Gold in recent tournaments using basically our F team as well.

So... what does that tell?

 

[Svedu]

It is a solid argument that Sweden has played their D-F teams in recent tournaments and thus these results shouldn't be read like the bible.

However, Finland has now won: Olympic Gold, WC silver and Gold in recent tournaments using basically our F team as well.

So... what does that tell?

That Sweden have more depth and are better than Finland in accordance to AB13´s opinion. Of course

 

[Lawrence Slewfoote]

It is a solid argument that Sweden has played their D-F teams in recent tournaments and thus these results shouldn't be read like the bible.

However, Finland has now won: Olympic Gold, WC silver and Gold in recent tournaments using basically our F team as well.

So... what does that tell?

That we haven't seen a best-on-best tournament since 2014. and while Wc 2016 was a lot of fun to watch, it was more of a spectacle and advertisement for the leauge, like an nhl all star game.

About this olympics, This was a Karjala Cup, but under an olympic flag - doesn't mean much. The 600 best players in the world didn't participate. Didn't Germany win one of these fake olympics 4y ago? Lol, says a lot

 

[Svedu]

That we haven't seen a best-on-best tournament since 2014. and while Wc 2016 was a lot of fun to watch, it was more of a spectacle and advertisement for the leauge, like an nhl all star game.

About this olympics, This was a Karjala Cup, but under an olympic flag - doesn't mean much. The 600 best players in the world didn't participate. Didn't Germany win one of these fake olympics 4y ago? Lol, says a lot

I believe you forgot the fact that half of your roster 2019 were Swedens best NHL players at that time and look how that went. These never ending excuses... Twist and turn everything, that's what many of you do the best.

You seem to have growing problems and concerns with your hockey education as well. "The best in the world".

"Mängder med 15-åringar har precis valts ut till attraktiva gymnasieutbildningar.
Men ångrar ungdomarna sig kan deras familjer sedan pressas på hundratusentals kronor för att få hem sina barn igen.
Det händer i Sverige i dag och det är företag med omsättning på hundra miljoner kronor inom ishockeyn som står bakom affärsmodellen.
– Familjerna har pressats in i ett hörn av klubbarna och är väldigt stressade, säger hockeyagenten Michael Rosell."
Familjer pressas på jättebelopp för att få hem sina barn

 

[Lawrence Slewfoote]

I'll admit i didn't watch a sec of this tournament, but didn't Canada lay an egg against sweden? 0 goals,and out of the tournament just like that. Do ppl think that would happen in a best-on-best? Zero goals vs sweden, although with players like McDavid, Crosby, Stamkos, Point, MacKinnon, Tavares, Marchand etc etc? This tournament was a joke

i don’t know who has the best hockey team and we don’t know more now than before this tournament either.

 

[Lawrence Slewfoote]

Regarding this olympics (maybe OT) I'll watch the iifh wc every now and then - bc most of us know it's silly and fun from the getgo. "world cup with SOME eilte players,IF they decide to show, and IF they don't want to go golfing and don't have anything else to do." - I mean it always takes place during the Stanley Cup finals, where the best players are. It's funny to have a "world cup" planned at the same time as the best players are playing games that matters more somehere else. The whole setup is goofy and fun from the start. But the olympics is suppose to something entirely else, but it even had worse players than the iifh wc

 

[Svedu]

I'll admit i didn't watch a sec of this tournament, but didn't Canada lay an egg against sweden? 0 goals,and out of the tournament just like that. Do ppl think that would happen in a best-on-best? Zero goals vs sweden, although with players like McDavid, Crosby, Stamkos, Point, MacKinnon, Tavares, Marchand etc etc? This tournament was a joke

Are you trying to make a point? Lame excuse. Neither did you answer me regarding Swedens performance 2019... Surprised? No. More excuses or lame comparisons coming up?

 

[Snauen]

I believe you forgot the fact that half of your roster 2019 were Swedens best NHL players at that time and look how that went. These never ending excuses... Twist and turn everything, that's what many of you do the best.

You seem to have growing problems and concerns with your hockey education as well. "The best in the world".

"Mängder med 15-åringar har precis valts ut till attraktiva gymnasieutbildningar.
Men ångrar ungdomarna sig kan deras familjer sedan pressas på hundratusentals kronor för att få hem sina barn igen.
Det händer i Sverige i dag och det är företag med omsättning på hundra miljoner kronor inom ishockeyn som står bakom affärsmodellen.
– Familjerna har pressats in i ett hörn av klubbarna och är väldigt stressade, säger hockeyagenten Michael Rosell."
Familjer pressas på jättebelopp för att få hem sina barn

Jepp there are problems for sure. Its good to se them surface though. And that will be dealth with hopefully. Wich is a healthy sign.

What bothers me with this thread though is that I think it and its headline was made in affect of unhappyness about the 4th place in the olympics. The OP shows weakness, vulnerabillity and moodyness. And of course, in a second he got a bunch of Finnish bullies like you.to join in. Gloating about Finnish national-hockey and its soo succesfull flawless übergrind style. Whilst dumping and vomiting over Swedish hockey, when there is little reason for it really. Again congrats to the olympic gold in hockey Finland! Dont think you made many new fans from it though, especially "celebrating" it like this ( so charmfull and jolly as always) in a thread about Swedish hockey..

 

[Svedu]

Jepp there are problems for sure. Its good to se them surface though. And that will be dealth with hopefully. Wich is a healthy sign.

What bothers me with this thread though is that I think it and its headline was made in affect of unhappyness about the 4th place in the olympics. The OP shows weakness, vulnerabillity and moodyness. And of course, in a second he got a bunch of Finnish bullies like you.to join in. Gloating about Finnish national-hockey and its soo succesfull flawless übergrind style. Whilst dumping and vomiting over Swedish hockey, when there is little reason for it really. Again congrats to the olympic gold in hockey Finland! Dont think you made many new fans from it though, especially "celebrating" it like this ( so charmfull and jolly as always) in a thread about Swedish hockey..

How am I a bully? Because your own stubbornness? Because of your own arrogance? Because after a defeat, after a couple bad years, you still want to claim that you would be superior to others? Where does that need come from? Instead of appreciating others success, or just shut it? I mean it's not that difficult. That's tragicomical and that typical humbleness I was expecting. Sadly, many of you confirmed my fears.
The funny thing is that a lot of Swedish hockey fans usually have excuses, especially after getting defeated by Russia or even worse, Finland. It's always something, always.
You seem to have the biggest majority when it comes to complaining about something, no matter if it's about the best players not participating, bad referees, "Lucky" wins etc. Like three year old kids, you cannot accept a defeat against the former underdogs.
After you've claimed that Sweden would be better you can offer us your congratulations? Is there anyone besides "Eye of Ra" who managed to accept and respect others victory before stating that Sweden would be superior? And after that, stating that nothing really matters? Has it ever struck you to reflect about your thoughts? Why bother playing national hockey at all then?
I´m actually amused because your comments confirm everything.

Gloating about Finnish national-hockey and its soo succesfull flawless übergrind style.

Lets focus on this sentence in particular, gloating? How? Because I´m stating that we should be considered just as good or actually better than Sweden? Does that hurt your confidence? Have I wrote that we were better than Canada? Russia or the US? Exactly. You are hurt and that's fine, but please stop creating bulls*it lies and excuses. My point is that very often do swedes have problems with feeling inferior to neighbors in the east, no matter if it's Russia or Finland, especially the latter one. Also, there is a long history of a big minority (at least) swedes having a sniffy view of eastern countries. Please convince me I´m wrong about this.

 

[Lawrence Slewfoote]

Are you trying to make a point? Lame excuse. Neither did you answer me regarding Swedens performance 2019... Surprised? No. More excuses or lame comparisons coming up?

That wasn't Sweden's best team, but yes, It was a poor performance nonetheless. However, by your reasoning - sweden won gold in 2017 and in 2018, i guess it was world domination by Sweden then. But then.. when it wasn't a hattrick of gold medals, they suck? Lol.

These tournaments don't mean anything and this latest olympics was even worse. I don't know why you try to make hockey fans believe something else,kinda hard. Best-on-best is all that matters

 

[Snauen]

How am I bully? Because your own stubbornness? Because of your own arrogance? Because after a defeat, after a couple bad years, you still want to claim that you would be superior to others? Where does that need come from? Instead of appreciating others success, or just shut it? I mean it's not that difficult. That's tragicomical and that typical humbleness I was expecting. Sadly, many of you confirmed my fears.
The funny thing is that a lot of Swedish hockey fans usually have excuses, especially after getting defeated by Russia or even worse, Finland. It's always something, always.
You seem to have the biggest majority when it comes to complaining about something, no matter if it's about the best players not participating, bad referees, "Lucky" wins etc. Like three year old kids, you cannot accept a defeat against the former underdogs.
After you've claimed that Sweden would be better you can offer us your congratulations? Is there anyone besides "Eye of Ra" who managed to accept and respect others victory before stating that Sweden would be superior? And after that stating that nothing really matters? Has it ever struck you to reflect about your thoughts? Why bother playing national hockey at all then?
I´m actually amused because your comments confirm everything.



Lets focus on this sentence in particular, gloating? How? Because I´m stating that we should be considered just as good or actually better than Sweden? Does that hurt your confidence? Have I wrote that we were better than Canada? Russia or the US? Exactly. You are hurt and that's fine, but please stop creating bulls*it lies and excuses. My point is that very often do you have problems with feeling inferior to neighbors in the east, no matter if it's Russia or Finland, especially the latter one.

Where have I said Swedish hockey is "superior"? Op said "Sweden is not an hockey power anymore" . There we are in the discussion.. Regarding Finland I think its pretty even Steven now Fin vs. Swe . We have different styles. Better on different things in hockey (And right at the top in the world of hockey booth of us).
You are still a bully though..

 

[Svedu]

That wasn't Sweden's best team, but yes, It was a poor performance nonetheless. However, by your reasoning - sweden won gold in 2017 and in 2018, i guess it was world domination by Sweden then. But then.. when it wasn't a hattrick of gold medals, they suck? Lol.

These tournaments don't mean anything and this latest olympics was even worse. I don't know why you try to make hockey fans believe something else,kinda hard. Best-on-best is all that matters

Half of Swedens roster contained of their best NHL-players. Did Finland have their "A-team"? Read between the lines. You cannot claim that Sweden lost just because you were not having the best names. That is nothing but a lame and dishonest excuse. Please, do yourself the favor and go check Swedens roster 2019 and then check Finlands. You guys are whining the most regarding tournaments lacking the best talent there is, like 2019 never happened.

 

[Svedu]

That wasn't Sweden's best team, but yes, It was a poor performance nonetheless. However, by your reasoning - sweden won gold in 2017 and in 2018, i guess it was world domination by Sweden then. But then.. when it wasn't a hattrick of gold medals, they suck? Lol.

These tournaments don't mean anything and this latest olympics was even worse. I don't know why you try to make hockey fans believe something else,kinda hard. Best-on-best is all that matters

Here, read the names.

1.	William Nylander (RW)	Sweden	8	5	13	18	2.25	0	16
2.	Nikita Kucherov (RW)	Russia	10	6	10	16	1.60	4	11
3.	Nikita Gusev (LW/RW)	Russia	10	4	12	16	1.60	0	12
4.	Jakub Voracek (RW)	Czechia	10	4	12	16	1.60	2	10
5.	Mark Stone (RW)	Canada	10	8	6	14	1.40	0	10
6.	Anthony Mantha (RW/LW)	Canada	9	7	7	14	1.56	16	9
7.	Michael Frolík (RW/LW)	Czechia	10	7	7	14	1.40	2	8
8.	Dominik Kubalik (LW)	Czechia	10	6	6	12	1.20	0	10
9.	Dominik Simon (C/W)	Czechia	10	4	8	12	1.20	2	10
10.	Patrick Kane (RW)	USA	8	2	10	12	1.50	4	0
11.	Yevgeni Dadonov (RW/LW)	Russia	10	7	4	11	1.10	0	3
12.	Filip Hronek (D)	Czechia	10	3	8	11	1.10	22	3
13.	Sakari Manninen (C/LW)	Finland	10	2	9	11	1.10	6	10
14.	Patric Hörnqvist (RW)	Sweden	8	7	3	10	1.25	14	11
15.	Jan Kovar (C)	Czechia	10	5	5	10	1.00	6	11
16.	Kyle Turris (C/RW)	Canada	10	4	6	10	1.00	8	11
17.	Alexander Wennberg (C)	Sweden	6	3	7	10	1.67	0	11
18.	Elias Pettersson (C/W)	Sweden	8	3	7	10	1.25	2	0
19.	Jonathan Marchessault (LW/RW)	Canada	10	3	7	10	1.00	8	6
20.	Alex DeBrincat (W/C)	USA	8	7	2	9	1.13	4	1
21.	Nico Hischier (C)	Switzerland	8	4	5	9	1.13	4	3
22.	Rudolfs Balcers (LW/RW)	Latvia	7	1	8	9	1.29	0	-4
23.	Leon Draisaitl (C/W)	Germany	8	5	3	8	1.00	0	-1

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No good names in that tournament because Finland won? Of course there weren't.

 

[Snowsii]

Regarding this olympics (maybe OT) I'll watch the iifh wc every now and then - bc most of us know it's silly and fun from the getgo. "world cup with SOME eilte players,IF they decide to show, and IF they don't want to go golfing and don't have anything else to do." - I mean it always takes place during the Stanley Cup finals, where the best players are. It's funny to have a "world cup" planned at the same time as the best players are playing games that matters more somehere else. The whole setup is goofy and fun from the start. But the olympics is suppose to something entirely else, but it even had worse players than the iifh wc

So if Oilers wont make to playoffs, then MacDavid and Draisatle arent "best players" by your logic..

Or maybe, it's the best TEAMS playing there

 

[Svedu]

I'll admit i didn't watch a sec of this tournament, but didn't Canada lay an egg against sweden? 0 goals,and out of the tournament just like that. Do ppl think that would happen in a best-on-best? Zero goals vs sweden, although with players like McDavid, Crosby, Stamkos, Point, MacKinnon, Tavares, Marchand etc etc? This tournament was a joke

i don’t know who has the best hockey team and we don’t know more now than before this tournament either.

This roster couldn't beat Finland without NHL and KHL players. Of these i´m pretty sure half of them were your best players then and at least 1/3 would be selected in your best-on-best.
Hörnqvist was better back then. Nylander is one of your biggest stars. Wennberg were probably at least one your top4 centers back then. EP is considered as one of your biggest talents? Elias Lindholm is one of your best players. Landeskog is your captain? Ekman Larsson is top6? Ekholm is top6? Klingberg as well? Is Kempe good enough for your top12? Bratt, top9? So all in all, you guys had 3 of your 6 best D´s, your well known super D´s that matter a lot more than good centers and goalies?
Let's not forget you had Markström and Lundqvist in goal as well. You do the math. Thank you, have a nice day.

1.	William Nylander (RW)	Sweden	8	5	13	18	2.25	0	16
2.	Patric Hörnqvist (RW)	Sweden	8	7	3	10	1.25	14	11
3.	Alexander Wennberg (C)	Sweden	6	3	7	10	1.67	0	11
4.	Elias Pettersson (C/W)	Sweden	8	3	7	10	1.25	2	0
5.	Anton Lander (C)	Sweden	8	4	4	8	1.00	4	2
6.	Oliver Ekman Larsson (D)	Sweden	8	3	5	8	1.00	4	7
7.	Gabriel Landeskog (LW/RW)	Sweden	5	2	5	7	1.40	0	3
8.	Adrian Kempe (C/W)	Sweden	8	3	3	6	0.75	2	1
9.	Elias Lindholm (C)	Sweden	8	1	5	6	0.75	2	2
10.	Oskar Lindblom (LW/RW)	Sweden	8	3	1	4	0.50	12	0
11.	John Klingberg (D)	Sweden	5	2	2	4	0.80	2	-1
12.	Erik Gustafsson (D)	Sweden	8	2	2	4	0.50	2	5
13.	Loui Eriksson (W/C)	Sweden	8	1	3	4	0.50	0	-8
14.	Adam Larsson (D)	Sweden	8	1	3	4	0.50	8	6
15.	Marcus Krüger (C)	Sweden	8	2	1	3	0.38	2	-3
16.	Dennis Rasmussen (C)	Sweden	8	2	1	3	0.38	2	0
17.	Mario Kempe (C/W)	Sweden	4	1	1	2	0.50	2	1
18.	Jesper Bratt (LW/RW)	Sweden	6	0	2	2	0.33	0	-2
19.	Mattias Ekholm (D)	Sweden	8	0	2	2	0.25	4	2
20.	Marcus Pettersson (D)	Sweden	8	0	1	1	0.13	4	4
21.	Philip Holm (D)	Sweden	0	0	0	0	-	0	0
22.	Robert Hägg (D)

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[Lawrence Slewfoote]

Half of Swedens roster contained of their best NHL-players. Did Finland have their "A-team"? Read between the lines. You cannot claim that Sweden loss just because of you were not having the best names. That is nothing but a lame and dishonest excuse. Please, do yourself the favor and go check Swedens roster 2019 and then check Finlands. You guys are whining the most regarding tournaments lacking the best talent there is, like 2019 never happened.

Lol, are you serious - "best nhl players" even loui Ericsson made that goddamn team. 5 players would've made that roster in a best on best, D:ekholm, klingberg,
offense :Lindholm, nylander, e. Pettersson.
The rest wouldn't cut it.

It wasn't an all star team, but, Finlands hard defense checking line hockey was effective and they won fair and square. Finland also beat canada,doesn't make finland better at hockey bc iifh wc doesn't mean much.

 

[Svedu]

Lol, are you serious - "best nhl players" even loui Ericsson made that goddamn team. 5 players would've made that roster in a best on best, D:ekholm, klingberg,
offense :Lindholm, nylander, e. Pettersson.
The rest wouldn't cut it.

It wasn't an all star team, but, Finlands hard defense checking line hockey was effective and they won fair and square. Finland also beat canada,doesn't make finland better at hockey bc iifh wc doesn't mean much.

Landeskog? Markström? Ekman Larsson back then? Bratt? Do you have any other excuses or statements for us?

Okay, nothing matters that much? But you still feel the craving and need to explain that?

 

[Miro4Norris]

When will people wake up.

Kicked out in 2018 og by germany.

Kicked out by team finland f in wc qf 2019

could not even make it to qf in wc 2021, lost to belarus and denmark (twice).

destroyed by slovakia with 4-0 today.

wjc? dominated by slovakia. even lost to them in hlinka cup. got kicked by switzerland in qf. And in u18 wjc sweden where not better than belarus and latvia. canada crushed sweden with 11-0. not even italy and uk lose with those numbers.

worst team in eht year after year.

when was the last time sweden actually where better than opponent? even games against latvia, germany, slovakia, switzerland, czechia swedens gets outshoot.

nhlers...overated. becuse of good past generations they got the chance in nhl. there is nothing special with swedish nhl fowards. the d is horrible, good offensive skills sure but no good play in their own zone. Even with almost best on best team sweden struggled like hell in wc 2018 and wc 2017 , some luck we had there. could ended in qf.

If anyone think Sweden is top-10 in the world then you are extremely delusional and are living in the past.

But still you hit my dms demanding explanations when I said Germany is better than Sweden after you made a thread asking if they are? Why?

 

[Snowsii]

Landeskog? Markström? Ekman Larsson back then? Bratt? Do you have any other excuses or statements for us?

Okay, nothing matters that much? But you still feel the craving and need to explain that?

So he thinks Landeskog wouldnt make team Sweden, though being best swedish this season.. (He would captain that team)

And i wonder who would he put between pipes, if not Markström..

 

[Lawrence Slewfoote]

Landeskog? Markström? Ekman Larsson back then? Bratt? Do you have any other excuses or statements for us?

Okay, nothing matters that much? But you still feel the craving and need to explain that?

Bratt and OEL wouldn't make it,there's better defensemen than OEL nowadays, and I love Bratt, but there's too many other that goes before him. but I didn't remember Landeskog, i thought he only played 2017, I'll have to take your for word it. However, The 2018 Team was stacked, not the 2017 and 2019 teams. Those were B-teams. No one with Insight would suggest that the 2019 team was a best-on-best team.Only finns of course.

 

[Lawrence Slewfoote]

However, those tournaments don't matter, and this latest olympic "gold" doesn't either.
It's like watching one hundred meters sprint, but the 100 fastest can't participate.
Yes, the 101 fastest will get gold and the 102nd will get silver, but those medals don't prove which one is the fastest in the world. It means nothing.

 

[Svedu]

Bratt and OEL wouldn't make it,there's better defensemen than OEL nowadays, and I love Bratt, but there's too many other that goes before him. but I didn't remember Landeskog, i thought he only played 2017, I'll have to take your for word it. However, The 2018 Team was stacked, not the 2017 and 2019 teams. Those were B-teams. No one with Insight would suggest that the 2019 team was a best-on-best team.Only finns of course.

Oh, so no one from that roster would make you A-team? Stop kidding yourself. Give up already