Svedu
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Exactly this. Expected. When they've already offered 5 excuses it's not a surprise that the sixth and seventh will follow...
Sweden is not a hockey power anymore
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Exactly this. Expected. When they've already offered 5 excuses it's not a surprise that the sixth and seventh will follow...
Svedu
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Play your Playstations with best on best tournaments as much as you wanna - but the Olympics is the Olympics.
Ancient Olympic games from the early Greeks until today: not a child play for NHL where they will attend when it suits them and their rather murky affairs.
In the Olympic games we trust - not so much in NHL.
Ancient Olympic games from the early Greeks until today: not a child play for NHL where they will attend when it suits them and their rather murky affairs.
In the Olympic games we trust - not so much in NHL.
I typed 5 players, but forgot about Landy.
But in the end, It doesn't matter, only best on best tournaments matter, and this karjala cup "Olympic" gold means nothing. It's suppose to be about best athletes in the world, and it wasn't. All posters here know this, so stop trying to make it something that it's not and go on trying to fool average Joe on the Street with this finish bias nonsense
"noone"? That's not what i said at all. But this was fun, I will post a sweden Dream Team later, and then you can compare it to the 2019team and find out that the 2019 wasn't a dream team at all. (Spoiler:loui Ericsson won't make it) Better players than Finlands 2019 roster for sure, but it wasn't Sweden best players down the lines. I think u all know this.Oh, so no one from that roster would make you A-team? Stop kidding yourself. Give up already
But in the end, It doesn't matter, only best on best tournaments matter, and this karjala cup "Olympic" gold means nothing. It's suppose to be about best athletes in the world, and it wasn't. All posters here know this, so stop trying to make it something that it's not and go on trying to fool average Joe on the Street with this finish bias nonsense
Except 100m sprint isnt team sport. And they all got recorded times for their runs..
And who cares, if you're the fastest runner, if you cant perform when it matters..
Not that big of a difference, maybe Arvy would be in a 2019 dream team, but not Bratt.
The IIHF wc, without the best players, doesn't mean much.we all know this. but there seems to be some confusion here about whether sweden had a stacked dream team 2019 or not. They did not. about 6 players out of that 2019 team would make a dream team. Then, and now.
What a swedish best-on-best roster would look like:
Forsberg(LW/RW) - Zibanejad(C) - E.Lindholm(C/RW)
Landeskog(LW/RW) - Backstrom(C) - Nylander(RW)
R. Rakell(W/C) - E.Pettersson(C) - Burakovsky(LW/R)
Backlund(C/W) - W.Karlsson(C) - Eriksson-Ek(C/W)
Hedman(L) - Klingberg(R)
Brodin(L) - R.Andersson(R)
Ekholm(L) - E.Karlsson(R)
swedish players that played in wc 2019, that wouldn't make a best-on-best team:
Patric Hörnqvist, Alexander Wennberg,Anton Lander,OEL, Adrian Kempe, Erik Gustafsson, Loui Eriksson,Marcus Krüger,Dennis Rasmus sen, Mario Kempe,Jesper Bratt,Philip Holm, Robert Hägg.
yes,6 skaters from that 2019 team that played that tournament would make a dream team, not the rest.
I do like Bratts game though, especially this season.but I've looked at a lot of roster ideas from swedish experts, and no one chooses him,even in this year.
"However, those tournaments don't matter, and this latest olympic "gold" doesn't either.
It's like watching one hundred meters sprint, but the 100 fastest can't participate.
Yes, the 101 fastest will get gold and the 102nd will get silver, but those medals don't prove which one is the fastest in the world. It means nothing"
It's like watching one hundred meters sprint, but the 100 fastest can't participate.
Yes, the 101 fastest will get gold and the 102nd will get silver, but those medals don't prove which one is the fastest in the world. It means nothing"
Would you watch that run ,and would you care who wins "gold"? would you consider that person the fastest in the world? Me neither,it wouldn't mean shit
Barkov.
Aho.
Hintz.
Granlund.
Then you only have to complete with deadly Finland mix with wingers like Laine, Teräväinen, Kapanen and the lot. That will kick you in the teeth, hey!
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RickyLafleur
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Barkov and Rantanen are Elite, i like them for a lot of reasons. Laine can be good, but there's a big risk he'll suck and becomes a liability and destroys for the team too. Depends on Which Laine who shows up. Granlund's got a good hockey sense/iq but not an elite player. Aho overrated. Teravainen, kapanen are fillers, nothing special at all. Hintz is awesome, speedy like bratt, but less hands, more kamikaze.
Defense : Heiskanen.
Back to my main point though: olympic hockey without nhlers mean nothing.
-2018: without nhlers, germany wins it/2nd place or whatever.
-The world, inlcuding finns: "yea, that's what happens without the best players - meaningless tournament."
-2022: 600 of the worlds best players can't play.Once again we get a donald duck tournament instead.
-Finland wins that tournament.
Finns: "wOrLd dOmInAtiOn!!!111!
The world: "ok..."
-2018: without nhlers, germany wins it/2nd place or whatever.
-The world, inlcuding finns: "yea, that's what happens without the best players - meaningless tournament."
-2022: 600 of the worlds best players can't play.Once again we get a donald duck tournament instead.
-Finland wins that tournament.
Finns: "wOrLd dOmInAtiOn!!!111!
The world: "ok..."
f*** No russia at three.
The best d-corps isn’t nearly enough to make up the forward advantage.
Canada
USA
Sweden/Finland
Russia
Finns might have passed Sweden though. Sure Sweden produces a f***-tonne of NHL-talent but the edge really isn’t there. While a significant portion of Finlands talent is top end. In the end what matters is how good your best goalie six best defensemen and twelve best forwards are.
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Dahlin and Kylington are so much better than Ekholm and especially klingberg right now its not even funny.
Well same to you, if you think this is as big of an accomplishment as 2010 and 2014 olympics, good for you man
next year we pretend that euro hockey tour is the shiet
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2019 Team Sweden was certainly a WHC dream team. Pointing to Loui Eriksson to downplay it is ridiculous, there were indeed a bunch of names who would have made a best on best-roster as well on there, including Sweden’s two leaders in points. However, calling it “half Sweden’s best players” is also pretty askew. Even if it would have been half the best players in 2019, it’s a flawed half.
Team was quite heavy on pre- or early-prime young guns with little to no experience of playoff hockey at the time. The fast, young, new NHL losers. A kid like Nylander has grown on me more recently, but he played every bit like the spoiled brat he had a reputation for being versus Finland in 2019. Iirc, Finland tied the game off a Nylander giveaway on some fancy bullshit he would have been benched for in Toronto. The Swedes should have walked home that gold, but they got too arrogant. They went to the WHCs to have fun and play, the Finns were there to compete. Sweden outplayed and outshot the gritty, structured Finns, but were punished for its arrogance, dropping the lead and losing in OT.
Team was quite heavy on pre- or early-prime young guns with little to no experience of playoff hockey at the time. The fast, young, new NHL losers. A kid like Nylander has grown on me more recently, but he played every bit like the spoiled brat he had a reputation for being versus Finland in 2019. Iirc, Finland tied the game off a Nylander giveaway on some fancy bullshit he would have been benched for in Toronto. The Swedes should have walked home that gold, but they got too arrogant. They went to the WHCs to have fun and play, the Finns were there to compete. Sweden outplayed and outshot the gritty, structured Finns, but were punished for its arrogance, dropping the lead and losing in OT.
Eye of Ra
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2021 MEN'S WORLD RANKING
2021 WOMEN'S WORLD RANKING[TBODY] [/TBODY]
RANK TEAM POINTS MOVEMENT 1 Canada 3235 0 2 Finland 3125 +1 3 Russia 3050 -1 4 United States 2945 +2 5 Germany 2905 +2 6 Czechia 2895 -1 7 Sweden 2880 -3
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It's quite easy to understand and claim that Finland overall would be better than Sweden in hockey right now. Put your F-team in your a*se[TBODY] [/TBODY]
RANK TEAM POINTS MOVEMENT 1 United States 3260 0 2 Canada 3210 0 3 Finland 3100 0 4 Russia 2985 0 5 Switzerland 2955 0 6 Japan 2840 0 7 Czechia 2795 0 8 Germany 2740 0 9 Sweden 2640 0
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sweden is ranked 5th now
Eye of Ra
Grandmaster General of the International boards
2021 MEN'S WORLD RANKING
2021 WOMEN'S WORLD RANKING[TBODY] [/TBODY]
RANK TEAM POINTS MOVEMENT 1 Canada 3235 0 2 Finland 3125 +1 3 Russia 3050 -1 4 United States 2945 +2 5 Germany 2905 +2 6 Czechia 2895 -1 7 Sweden 2880 -3
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
It's quite easy to understand and claim that Finland overall would be better than Sweden in hockey right now. Put your F-team in your a*se[TBODY] [/TBODY]
RANK TEAM POINTS MOVEMENT 1 United States 3260 0 2 Canada 3210 0 3 Finland 3100 0 4 Russia 2985 0 5 Switzerland 2955 0 6 Japan 2840 0 7 Czechia 2795 0 8 Germany 2740 0 9 Sweden 2640 0
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
sweden is ranked 5th now
Eye of Ra
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why do you keep bringing up the 2019 game? sweden dominated finland in that game. look at stats and rewatch the game. only reason finland won was becuse of lundqvist sucking in the net.
Eye of Ra
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And all those cherry picking the fact that Sweden is placed 5th-7th on iihf rankings, well guess what; finland was ranked at nr. 7th in 2005, right before they, for the first time ever, went on to be the second best team in a best on best tournament (olympics 2006).
Edit: what is also so fun, is that trolls in this thread is trying to prove their point by taking womens ice hockey into consideration, lmao
Edit: what is also so fun, is that trolls in this thread is trying to prove their point by taking womens ice hockey into consideration, lmao
