Sweden is not a hockey power anymore

[Stubu]

Only three things in life are certain: birth, death, and finnish little brother complex posts after placing better than sweden

There was a 'little brother' thing until the 1980s or so. Observe how some of it was simply economic. Finland had to rebuild everything after paying the largest war reparations in modern history while Sweden had been one of the few European countries that only commercially benefited from WW2 happening. Despite that disparity, relations were always good and cordial. Look at how the annual "Finnkampen" was a thing in Sweden too. Look at how the militaries (especially the navies and air forces) are in cahoots resembling the NORAD setup over the pond. Where it matters, the two countries are pretty darn tootin' close buddies. Yet... for the last couple of decades, looking at the daily news, there hasn't been anything to envy about Sweden, to put it politely. We need to rebuild our relationship with Estonia and the other Baltics anyway.

 

[ZEBROA]

I’m not sure I agree but they definately develop less talent overall

In NHL we got more depth but they more high end players. We are still ahead at D but they are closing in. We are getting better depth in goal then before. So i think we are equal there(could be wrong here, i know nothing about Finlands goalie prospects).

We need a Sundin, Forsberg, Loob etc. A couple of realy high end players.

 

[OskarOskarius]

In NHL we got more depth but they more high end players. We are still ahead at D but they are closing in. We are getting better depth in goal then before. So i think we are equal there(could be wrong here, i know nothing about Finlands goalie prospects).

We need a Sundin, Forsberg, Loob etc. A couple of realy high end players.

Well Sweden have 7 dmen in top 50 scorers in NHL. Finland have 1. We have 6 forwards in top 50. Finland have 4. So Finland can field a better top line but Sweden will wear them down. We have a stronger team.

 

[ZEBROA]

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Well Sweden have 7 dmen in top 50 scorers in NHL. Finland have 1. We have 6 forwards in top 50. Finland have 4. So Finland can field a better top line but Sweden will wear them down. We have a stronger team.

Seems like we will never know Would love to watch best on best.

 

[Snauen]

There was a 'little brother' thing until the 1980s or so. Observe how some of it was simply economic. Finland had to rebuild everything after paying the largest war reparations in modern history while Sweden had been one of the few European countries that only commercially benefited from WW2 happening. Despite that disparity, relations were always good and cordial. Look at how the annual "Finnkampen" was a thing in Sweden too. Look at how the militaries (especially the navies and air forces) are in cahoots resembling the NORAD setup over the pond. Where it matters, the two countries are pretty darn tootin' close buddies. Yet... for the last couple of decades, looking at the daily news, there hasn't been anything to envy about Sweden, to put it politely. We need to rebuild our relationship with Estonia and the other Baltics anyway.

I agree with this. Envy Finlands school-system. f.ex. In Finland a teacher is a respected profession. In Sweden not so much wich is a pity etc. YET this is a thread about Swedish hockey. One would have thought the welfunctioning Finnish schoolsystem should have taught you to keep none relevant subjects out and stick to the topic of the thread.

 

[Snowsii]

Well Sweden have 7 dmen in top 50 scorers in NHL. Finland have 1. We have 6 forwards in top 50. Finland have 4. So Finland can field a better top line but Sweden will wear them down. We have a stronger team.

3 to 4 favoring Swedes (top 50) though top 20 is 2 to 0 for us

 

[Stubu]

I agree with this. Envy Finlands school-system. f.ex. In Finland a teacher is a respected profession. In Sweden not so much wich is a pity etc. YET this is a thread about Swedish hockey. One would have thought the welfunctioning Finnish schoolsystem should have taught you to keep none relevant subjects out and stick to the topic of the thread.

Haha, fair point. It was in reply to someone from Iceland of all places who clearly hasn't visited abroad in a few decades... Yeah, back to hockey from that sidetrack.

Finland has had a good run of producing some top talent recently, but overall Sweden has relatively more NHL players, and the Swedish hockey system seems to keep them coming at a steady clip too. I don't see anything to worry about there. I've also noticed some of the younger Swedish NHL talents get underrated just because they happen to be in teams that are wholesale struggling right now, or otherwise just don't get in the limelight. The team situation affects individual performance too, and the image of a player, that's sort of inevitable if unfair...

 

[patnyrnyg]

yes finland is clearly much better than sweden. finland is so far ahead that finland without nhlers is stronger than swedens best possible team with nhlers. too many people live in the past. sweden where top 5 from 50s to 2018. so it makes sense people still think sweden is a power. but we are not.

Is this a serious post? Sweden's top possible team, including NHLers would NOT be better than Finland without their NHLers?

In actuality, is this entire thread meant to be satire?

 

[jfc64]

Well Sweden have 7 dmen in top 50 scorers in NHL. Finland have 1. We have 6 forwards in top 50. Finland have 4. So Finland can field a better top line but Sweden will wear them down. We have a stronger team.

Aye. Our second team kicks Team Finland's and russia's second team ass.

 

[Svedu]

Aye. Our second team kicks Team Finland's and russia's second team ass.

Yet again Finlands team with only one NHL & KHL player in Jokiharju won against a team with a bunch of your best NHL players 2019... I think you meant that Finlands fourth team would beat your second Corrected.

 

[KTE]

Sweden is a great hockey nation today by every possible criteria I can imagine and as strong as it ever has been. And just don´t get it what comparison to Finland has to do with the subject.

 

[OskarOskarius]

It’s quite obvious that you are wrong. Based on points Sweden have:

6 forwards in top 50
6 d-men in top 50

We are third after Canada and US.