Summer '15 Thread (All Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[WannabeFinn]

Yes to Buff, no to Sharp. Don't think we can take on both contracts.

Anisimov + Atkinson = ~6.7m in cap hit. We could take both contracts on if we move those 2 but we'd likely have to make more cap-related moves next offseason i.e. moving Hartnell. Bourque's contract is only on the books for 1 more season as well.

Anyways, I don't really want Sharp. Mostly for cap reasons.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

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I think you are right on here. Barring adding another Lee Majors we are fine relative to the cap for years to come assuming it rises 4% a year. At 3% it gets a bit close in 18-19, 19-20 but after that we're ok.

This is assuming Joey is signed long term at 9 mill per. Even at 10 there is still 1-2 mill spare in the seasons I mentioned.

I get concern over our good young players wanting more money, on the other hand it is very important that they earn those big money contracts, nothing is guaranteed. if they earn it, good things have happened for this club, and I personally will be willing to see prices go up, & even to attend more games than the half dozen I generally attend each season. Plus I have a family of 6 so that means I will buy more than 3 dozen seats to watch a good team.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I think Buff and Sharp will end up on CBJ's roster and will end up costing, in some form or another, Rychel, Atkinson, Anisimov, and 2 second round picks.

Does Burmistrov come with Byfuglien? If two forwards off the roster are leaving, I'd want one coming back.

 

[Kev22]

A package deal would be the biggest bang for our buck. The odds the Hawks would package Seabrook with Sharp are pretty much nill, but if they did, that's the kind of deal I would spend assets on. Rychel, Atkinson, Tyutin, #34 and a second next year.

If Winnipeg wants to package Byfuglien and Burmistrov together, that would be another package worth spending assets to acquire.

 

[WannabeFinn]

over the past few weeks I've really warmed up to the thought of adding Byfuglien, even if he has 1 year left on his contract.. I've got faith we could re-sign him

 

[EspenK]

over the past few weeks I've really warmed up to the thought of adding Byfuglien, even if he has 1 year left on his contract.. I've got faith we could re-sign him

There's that optimism again.... Only way I would trade a lot for a guy with one year left is if he gets extended prior to the deal so I know what is happening. I'd do Anisimov and a lower pick(s) for Buff because the players are both 1 yr left guys. To trade a lot for a guy who may not want to stay is silly in my mind.

I think you need at least 2 years of certainty to make a deal worthwhile.

 

[Tony Quinn]

There's that optimism again.... Only way I would trade a lot for a guy with one year left is if he gets extended prior to the deal so I know what is happening. I'd do Anisimov and a lower pick(s) for Buff because the players are both 1 yr left guys. To trade a lot for a guy who may not want to stay is silly in my mind.

I think you need at least 2 years of certainty to make a deal worthwhile.

I think there is risk both ways. What if you sign him to an extension and, for whatever reason, he doesn't fit or doesn't work out? Then your stuck that way as well.

Having him for 1 year is not a big deal to me. If he likes it and fits in, an extension can be worked out. If he did leave after 1 year, at least he gives the younger guys another year to develop and mature, which would somewhat offset his loss.

 

[EspenK]

I think there is risk both ways. What if you sign him to an extension and, for whatever reason, he doesn't fit or doesn't work out? Then your stuck that way as well.

Having him for 1 year is not a big deal to me. If he likes it and fits in, an extension can be worked out. If he did leave after 1 year, at least he gives the younger guys another year to develop and mature, which would somewhat offset his loss.

I don't disagree if what you give up for such a player is something that you don't care if you lose or will almost certainly lose anyway (Anisimov due to cap constraints). If you trade, say Rychel, #8 or 34 and Cam then to me the risk outweighs the potential benefit. All personnel decisions come with risk. I'm just saying don't give away the ranch for a guy who can walk a year later or break the bank.

 

[Jackets16]

Yes to Buff, no to Sharp. Don't think we can take on both contracts.

No to Buff, BIG NO to Sharp.

 

[Jackets16]

Atkinson is 7 years younger than Sharp and scored 6 more goals than him. Why would we want to trade Atkinson (let alone add on to him) for Sharp? Sometimes I think Blue Jackets fans underrate Columbus players and overrate players on other teams (just because they aren't on Columbus).

 

[major major]

A package deal would be the biggest bang for our buck. The odds the Hawks would package Seabrook with Sharp are pretty much nill, but if they did, that's the kind of deal I would spend assets on. Rychel, Atkinson, Tyutin, #34 and a second next year.

Swapping Tyutin for Seabrook would cost us 2 to 4 times the price you laid out there.

 

[major major]

Does Burmistrov come with Byfuglien? If two forwards off the roster are leaving, I'd want one coming back.

So would you trade away Wennberg? I'm not sure how we end up with Burmi as 3c.

 

[major major]

I think you need at least 2 years of certainty to make a deal worthwhile.

Consider how Garth Snow acquired Leddy, Visnovsky, and Boychuk. No certainty, but a trial period for both parties, and it gave them three great d.

He also did that with Vanek and got lucky that Vanek refused to stay.

Anyways, I'd try to do a sign and trade with Buff.. it sounds like Winnipeg is open to teams negotiating with him. But I'd still offer a solid price, a bit lower, if he's not extended.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Consider how Garth Snow acquired Leddy, Visnovsky, and Boychuk. No certainty, but a trial period for both parties, and it gave them three great d.

He also did that with Vanek and got lucky that Vanek refused to stay.

Anyways, I'd try to do a sign and trade with Buff.. it sounds like Winnipeg is open to teams negotiating with him. But I'd still offer a solid price, a bit lower, if he's not extended.

Only thing is, I can see the Jets wanting the 8th overall pick in a package and you can't sign anyone until July 1st. Now Byfuglien and Columbus can have a deal in place and both can agree to make it official on the 1st but what if Byfuglien changes his mind after the trade? ANother tough thing is if the Blue Jackets and the Jets wants a different player with the 8th pick. Columbus won't pick the player the Jets want and wait till the first to complete the trade because if the trade falls apart, they are stuck with the player the Jets wanted, not who they wanted.

 

[major major]

Only thing is, I can see the Jets wanting the 8th overall pick in a package and you can't sign anyone until July 1st. Now Byfuglien and Columbus can have a deal in place and both can agree to make it official on the 1st but what if Byfuglien changes his mind after the trade? ANother tough thing is if the Blue Jackets and the Jets wants a different player with the 8th pick. Columbus won't pick the player the Jets want and wait till the first to complete the trade because if the trade falls apart, they are stuck with the player the Jets wanted, not who they wanted.

I can see the Jets actually wanting a few rfa age players instead of draft picks. They are about to lose a lot of free agents, and need forwards to step in this fall.

So that means Atkinson, Rychel, and if they know we worked out an extension with Buff, add in a second rounder and a cheap LHD like Connauton.

 

[Mayor Bee]

So would you trade away Wennberg? I'm not sure how we end up with Burmi as 3c.

Johansen-Foligno-Atkinson on the first line, Wennberg-Hartnell-Dano as the second line, Dubinsky-Jenner-Burmistrov on the third?

(Oh dear, I need to go change myself)

Only thing is, I can see the Jets wanting the 8th overall pick in a package and you can't sign anyone until July 1st. Now Byfuglien and Columbus can have a deal in place and both can agree to make it official on the 1st but what if Byfuglien changes his mind after the trade? ANother tough thing is if the Blue Jackets and the Jets wants a different player with the 8th pick. Columbus won't pick the player the Jets want and wait till the first to complete the trade because if the trade falls apart, they are stuck with the player the Jets wanted, not who they wanted.

Sign-and-trade is forbidden under the CBA anyway, and I'd have to believe that the league would immediately investigate a trade involving a player who was just re-signed.

That's to say nothing of every passing day from the re-signing date increasing the likelihood that someone backs out from it.

I can see the Jets actually wanting a few rfa age players instead of draft picks. They are about to lose a lot of free agents, and need forwards to step in this fall.

So that means Atkinson, Rychel, and if they know we worked out an extension with Buff, add in a second rounder and a cheap LHD like Connauton.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Calvert. Manitoba native, plays the sort of buzzsaw game that Paul Maurice likes. As of right now, Winnipeg has five wings under contract for next year, and two of them are Chris Thorburn and Anthony Peluso. Calvert would slot in on their second line by default.

I don't necessarily mean as part of a package deal like that, just in general.

 

[major major]

I'm not worried about the trade price for Buff.. we have plenty of pieces to get him if we want him, no doubt. But I'll admit I'm not sure about his next contract.. which could be something like 7m x 6yrs.

I watch a lot of Jets games and you could have persuaded me in January that Buff was one of the best players in the entire league. Then he got hurt down the stretch and was mediocre in the playoffs. It turned out he was playing through dislocated ribs.. Which would be encouraging that he could return to form, but it leaves him with a spotty track record. Since his late emergence, he's either been injured or playing at forward for half the time. If he'll be at his best, I'd gladly pay him 10m a season, but we don't know how good he'll be.

 

[Tony Quinn]

Atkinson is 7 years younger than Sharp and scored 6 more goals than him. Why would we want to trade Atkinson (let alone add on to him) for Sharp? Sometimes I think Blue Jackets fans underrate Columbus players and overrate players on other teams (just because they aren't on Columbus).

Or, maybe you're overrating a player because he plays for CBJ. Sharp had more points in less games, was more productive on the PP, played in the stronger conference, and was usually against a teams top 4 d-men while Atkinson saw some his production playing on the lower lines.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many people that think Atkinson is a better player than Sharp. He is younger and less expensive though.

 

[Jackets16]

Or, maybe you're overrating a player because he plays for CBJ. Sharp had more points in less games, was more productive on the PP, played in the stronger conference, and was usually against a teams top 4 d-men while Atkinson saw some his production playing on the lower lines.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many people that think Atkinson is a better player than Sharp. He is younger and less expensive though.

Right now? Probably not. But he will be and soon, IMO. Add on to that he is a lot younger and is cheaper and there is no way I'd trade him for Sharp.

 

[EspenK]

Consider how Garth Snow acquired Leddy, Visnovsky, and Boychuk. No certainty, but a trial period for both parties, and it gave them three great d.

You kinda (nod to grammar purists) cherry picked a statement there. Snow didn't give up much for any of them which I think I said in a follow up post was something I would be ok with. My point is you don't trade the farm (actually I said "give away the ranch")for a guy with one year left.

 

[cslebn]

Sticking just with RHD, I've narrowed your list down to my fave targets. The list would be splashes of various sizes, and the better players would require a higher price than we'd probably prefer to pay.

Just curious, with your list you kept Burns (probably the most offensive D on that list) but did not keep Braun. The rest of the list seems more similar to Braun. Mind if I ask why?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Just curious, with your list you kept Burns (probably the most offensive D on that list) but did not keep Braun. The rest of the list seems more similar to Braun. Mind if I ask why?

I find Braun meh.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Or, maybe you're overrating a player because he plays for CBJ. Sharp had more points in less games, was more productive on the PP, played in the stronger conference, and was usually against a teams top 4 d-men while Atkinson saw some his production playing on the lower lines.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many people that think Atkinson is a better player than Sharp. He is younger and less expensive though.

Largely agree with this. We overvalue our players until they leave then greatly over value whoever we traded for them. Stay tuned next week and I'm sure whoever gets traded will be "good luck but he sucked" and the new guy "ex-1st round pick, potential top 6 winger..."

I would love to have Sharp the player, but his potential/rumored off-ice issues I would assume would keep a lot of teams away unless they have a strong leadership core. That's why I don't think it would work out here.

 

[Kev22]

Right now? Probably not. But he will be and soon, IMO. Add on to that he is a lot younger and is cheaper and there is no way I'd trade him for Sharp.

I'll agree that when Cam is hot, he's as good a young player as there is, but he also goes long stretches where he is invisible. If he were more consistent, he wouldn't be the subject of trade rumors.

I think if the defensive upgrade is available, it's the only situation I'd use him in a trade, he'd definitely be gone. He's still a young, productive roster player and any significant upgrade to the defense will probably require he be involved. I like Cam, but if a player like Buff or Burns is available and Cam is necessary in the deal, he's gone. I agree with you though, if it's just for Patrick Sharp, it would not be good asset management to trade Cam.

I'll say the same thing I say pretty much at this point of every offseason. I hope the front office quits talking about making a splash and just jumps off the high dive and make a big splash. This club is close. I think there's some moves to be made that makes this club not only an annual entrant into the playoffs, but a Cup contender in pretty short order. The pieces are there and so is the effort, they need a couple of players to make everything come together.

 

[Viqsi]

So here's an idea from the mains that seems to be of interest... Artem Anisimov for Alec Martinez.

They're the same age, similar cap hit (Marty $4m/year versus Artie's $3.3m) for MUCH longer (for another six years), he's pretty decent in the defensive zone, and he's a Midwestern kid (born in Michigan, raised at least part of his life there, played college hockey at Miami).

I think there's possibilities here.