Summer '15 Thread (All Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[EspenK]

don't ya Oduya sign him?

 

[EspenK]

We still have 2 years before Johansen becomes an issue. Jenner and Murray are coming up, and given our GM's history of bridge deals, they'll likely sign those at a smaller clip (they won't get 4 million like Johansen. So say in the 2 million range for both). Wennberg and Dano in the same boat as Jenner and Murray, just two years down the line. In this same time period Boll, Anisimov, Bourque among others come off the books. We're fine, unless Jenner and Murray absolute explode and have Johansen/Hedman esc seasons this year. All of this is not even factoring in the eventual rise in cap.

I think you are right on here. Barring adding another Lee Majors we are fine relative to the cap for years to come assuming it rises 4% a year. At 3% it gets a bit close in 18-19, 19-20 but after that we're ok.

This is assuming Joey is signed long term at 9 mill per. Even at 10 there is still 1-2 mill spare in the seasons I mentioned.

 

[Jaxs]

Ah, yes, the famous "Meat Loaf" strategy.

Haha, I had the same thought after reading post.

 

[pete goegan]

Ah, yes, the famous "Meat Loaf" strategy.

As devised by Jim Steinman and articulated by Meat!

 

[niflheim]

On the main boards there is a proposal of 8th + Clarkson for 15th + Raymond. Clarkson = 5.25m @ 5 years. Raymond = 3.15m @ 2 years

Welcome aboard, cap relief

 

[Viqsi]

Expected to, not guaranteed to. 2M in cap space could go a long way when it comes time to sign the plethora of guys that will come due. Going to be several important contracts to be negotiated and most won't come cheap. Any wiggle room we can make for ourselves seems necessary to me. Oh and in this case it means we could send Clarkson packing so a good bonus there.

Could we get a key piece at 8? Of course. But keep in mind who our GM is...we got Wennberg and Dano in the 2nd half of a much weaker 1st round. We could pick at 15 and make out like bandits with JK at the helm. Nothing not to like about the deal from my perspective.

2013 is actually looking like one of the stronger drafts in recent memory, in retrospect.

 

[major major]

2013 is actually looking like one of the stronger drafts in recent memory, in retrospect.

We have no reason to believe it was a weaker draft, even in comparison to this year.

 

[stevo61]

We have no reason to believe it was a weaker draft, even in comparison to this year.

Pretty much. All that draft was lacking was a Connor McDavid at the top. Pretty deep and highly rated draft

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

As devised by Jim Steinman and articulated by Meat!

Steinman is the man.

 

[pete goegan]

Steinman is the man.

"Dance in My Pants"!

 

[Fro]

i really don't know why, but I keep thinking Phaneuf will be a blue jacket by September...

 

[Jackets16]

i really don't know why, but I keep thinking Phaneuf will be a blue jacket by September...

I am very confident he won't be.

 

[blahblah]

I am very confident he won't be.

Already ate one of the massive Toronto contracts. No idea why we would want to eat another.

 

[Fro]

I am very confident he won't be.

you're confident no one will be...and if they hold salary...who knows...obviously we're not taking on a $7m contract...but $5m, I think he's worth it (in the right deal, which I don't know what it would be)

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 19m19 minutes ago
NHL GM over the weekend, noting teams' salary cap woes: "You can get a hell of a player with a second-round pick (at this year's draft)."

 

[Fro]

this is....underwhelming?

As Kekalainen told The Dispatch last week: “Oh, we’ll be active. We’ll definitely be active. Now, productive … I don’t know.”

the last part here is encouraging

Now they go looking for another bright prospect, via the draft (likely) or trade (likely) or free agency (not likely).

hmmmm

The Blue Jackets are sniffing around the trade options of goaltenders who are known to be available: Vancouver’s Eddie Lack makes sense, right? It doesn’t appear the Blue Jackets are in on talks with the NY Rangers regarding Cam Talbot, but I’m sure they’ve inquired.

If the Blue Jackets can’t swing a deal that would improve the No. 2 spot on the roster, look for them to resign McElhinney shortly after the draft and before July 1.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2015/06/the-landscape.html

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

i really don't know why, but I keep thinking Phaneuf will be a blue jacket by September...

We didn't want him anyways

 

[Kev22]

i really don't know why, but I keep thinking Phaneuf will be a blue jacket by September...

Phaneuf is still in his prime, he just turned 30 in April. There's worse options in terms of play out there. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which this deal makes sense. I can't make the numbers jive. It would only make sense if Toronto would take a Rychel, Boll, Bourque and #38 and even then I'm not sure I'd do it. Now if the Leafs want to retain 50% of Phaneuf's remaining salary, that might change things.

My hang up is not his cap number, it's his actual salary. Dion makes 8M cash this season, 7.5M next, 7M the following and 6.5M for the final two. Not sure he's the biggest bang for our buck. I think there might be better, potentially cheaper options available.

I think if San Jose might be embarking on a rebuild, Brent Burns might make a lot of sense. Cheaper and more effective than Phaneuf. Still under contract for this year and next at 5.76M cap hit.

Maybe a lesser option might be Alexander Edler. 5M cap hit, but if the Canucks would take back a contract like Boll, this would fit pretty well. He's under contract for this season and three more. Only 29, so he's in his prime.

 

[Fro]

Phaneuf is still in his prime, he just turned 30 in April. There's worse options in terms of play out there. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which this deal makes sense. I can't make the numbers jive. It would only make sense if Toronto would take a Rychel, Boll, Bourque and #38 and even then I'm not sure I'd do it. Now if the Leafs want to retain 50% of Phaneuf's remaining salary, that might change things.

My hang up is not his cap number, it's his actual salary. Dion makes 8M cash this season, 7.5M next, 7M the following and 6.5M for the final two. Not sure he's the biggest bang for our buck. I think there might be better, potentially cheaper options available.

I think if San Jose might be embarking on a rebuild, Brent Burns might make a lot of sense. Cheaper and more effective than Phaneuf. Still under contract for this year and next at 5.76M cap hit.

Maybe a lesser option might be Alexander Edler. 5M cap hit, but if the Canucks would take back a contract like Boll, this would fit pretty well. He's under contract for this season and three more. Only 29, so he's in his prime.

don't disagree with that sentiment, but I think Burns and Edler would cost A LOOOOOT more in a trade than Phaneuf...so that was kinda where my thought process was taking me...but I also agree, I can't come up with a trade that makes sense considering the length on his contract vs that cap...

 

[Jackets16]

this is....underwhelming?



the last part here is encouraging



hmmmm





http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2015/06/the-landscape.html

The first one is what I would expect. He can't know if he will be productive making a trade, because he doesn't know if he will be able to make one. He can be as active as he wants, but if other teams aren't willing to trade what we want or are asking for too much, then we won't be productive in getting a trade done.

 

[Jackets16]

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 19m19 minutes ago
NHL GM over the weekend, noting teams' salary cap woes: "You can get a hell of a player with a second-round pick (at this year's draft)."

This is exactly why I don't like trading for (or signing) big money older players. Now, we may never get to that point, but it is something I would want to avoid. Now, a younger player? That is a different story. Teams are going to have to basically "give away" some players to get rid of salary.

 

[Jackets16]

don't disagree with that sentiment, but I think Burns and Edler would cost A LOOOOOT more in a trade than Phaneuf...so that was kinda where my thought process was taking me...but I also agree, I can't come up with a trade that makes sense considering the length on his contract vs that cap...

Depending on what it would take, I'd rather give up more to get one of them.

 

[Dizzay]

Any interest in a Eriksson for Calvert swap?

 

[WannabeFinn]

Any interest in a Eriksson for Calvert swap?

if Loui could play RW I'd be all over that

Foligno-Johansen-Eriksson
Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Hartnell-Wennberg-Dano

ooooooooo baby that's a nice looking top 9, even without Anisimov

 

[KeithBWhittington]

This is exactly why I don't like trading for (or signing) big money older players. Now, we may never get to that point, but it is something I would want to avoid. Now, a younger player? That is a different story. Teams are going to have to basically "give away" some players to get rid of salary.

Luckily, teams like the jackets have ample chips that can be moved to pry away those younger, proven guys, so they aren't sacrificing some of the meat of the draft, 3 2nds, for older guys that are on their last legs or close to it. I swear, if I read one more proposal where the CBJ cough up an asset for guy that wouldn't even be a "half fix", just another body, I'm going to flip out. The jackets of old mentality is to troll the scrap heaps, that Scott Howson CBJ because he had to build depth through the draft, which took years. CBJ finally can afford a little champagne on a champagne budget. Quantity for quality.

 

[Kev22]

Reading into Jarmo's comments in the Dispatch article, it looks like he's ready to make a splash regarding our defense. Everyone seems to be in agreement that we need a top end, right shot defenseman. I didn't really get into contract specifics like cap or no trade/move clauses, or if deals are even feasible, this is just simply a list of defensemen that would make a "splash" and change our defense. Just spitballin', if fact I'm not even sure I'd know what to offer for a lot of these guys, I just now they'd make the defense better. Fire away.

Dougie Hamilton
Brent Seabrook (my personal favorite)
Erik Johnson
Seth Jones
Ryan Ellis
Damon Severson
Dan Girardi
Luke Schenn
Brent Burns (another personal favorite)
Justin Braun
Kevin Shattenkirk
Christopher Tanev
John Carlson
Dustin Byfuglien

If you're not all caught up on which side a guy shoots, here's some left shooting "splash" defensemen.

Oliver Ekman Larsson
Niklas Hjarlmarsson
Trevor Daley
Dmitry Kulikov
Alec Martinez
Jake Muzzin
Alexei Emelin
Eric Gelinas
Keith Yandle
Jared Cowen
Braydon Coburn
Dion Phaneuf
Alexander Elder
Dan Hamhuis
Tobias Enstrom

Either list do anything for anyone?