Summer '15 Thread (All Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[Kev22]

i just remember Oshie's 70ft skate and try to take out Nash move and quietly say I don't want him...but I understand the appeal...

The second that Nash left this organization is exactly the time I stopped worrying about people taking runs at him. Oshie is a guy that would fit perfectly on this team. The possibilities for our top nine would be endless.

Foligno-Johansen-Oshie
Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Hartnell-Wennberg-Dano
Calvert-Letestu-Anisimov

 

[blahblah]

This has nothing to do with poking bears or other large critters.

What did I ask you to do? Leave this one topic alone with me. I don't agree with you and I have no desire to discuss it with you. I'll give you this one piece and I'm done.


Yes, their playoff performance was a real disappointment and I'm mildly surprised he's back. Having said that they were 11-6-2 down the stretch and their minutes distribution was no uneven. They only had 1 forward above 19 minutes and I would hardly call their defense utilization strange based on other teams across the league. Do your research next time you post as you write books most of the time.

Oshie has a lot of playoff history and it's all the same - 4th line production.

 

[Mayor Bee]

i don't see much wrong with that line of thinking MB

The disclaimer is that I'm a firm believer in the player usage of Gregg Popovich, which in itself directly derives from the Gospel of Earl Weaver.

As fans, we tend to love guys who play every single game like it's Game 7 of the Cup Final. The problem is that every game isn't Game 7 of the Cup Final. The guys who tend to play the game this way usually don't come close to hitting their potential, either because they're constantly injured or because they burn out early.

A coach's job is to ration out playing time to not only give their team the best chance of winning today, but into the future. Weaver had very clearly defined roles for every play on the bench and in the lineup, and in so doing was able to get more out of his pitchers than anyone could, extend the careers of several other players, and piece together a lineup spot that would have huge production even if a single individual player wasn't doing a ton. Popovich will give his top players extended rest in the regular season, not just to reduce physical and mental wear and tear but to give the guys on the bench more time. And in games of great importance, he'll use his timeouts at weird spots; using one with two minutes left in the first quarter will cost Tim Duncan two minutes of playing time, but combined with the break after the quarter means that he's actually getting more than that.

 

[EspenK]

The disclaimer is that I'm a firm believer in the player usage of Gregg Popovich, which in itself directly derives from the Gospel of Earl Weaver.

As fans, we tend to love guys who play every single game like it's Game 7 of the Cup Final. The problem is that every game isn't Game 7 of the Cup Final. The guys who tend to play the game this way usually don't come close to hitting their potential, either because they're constantly injured or because they burn out early.

A coach's job is to ration out playing time to not only give their team the best chance of winning today, but into the future. Weaver had very clearly defined roles for every play on the bench and in the lineup, and in so doing was able to get more out of his pitchers than anyone could, extend the careers of several other players, and piece together a lineup spot that would have huge production even if a single individual player wasn't doing a ton. Popovich will give his top players extended rest in the regular season, not just to reduce physical and mental wear and tear but to give the guys on the bench more time. And in games of great importance, he'll use his timeouts at weird spots; using one with two minutes left in the first quarter will cost Tim Duncan two minutes of playing time, but combined with the break after the quarter means that he's actually getting more than that.

I think Tampa Bay somewhat fell victim to this over exertion thing. I have no stats to back it up but it just seemed as the Finals progressed they were a half step slower than in the earlier games. Funny even though Chicago played with essentially 4 D the entire series they seemed like they could have played more at the end.

 

[Kev22]

I'm not sure what the draft strategy is, but I wonder if Jarmo is considering trading down with one of the teams with two picks in the first round to increase his "ammo". The only way to make a real big impact would be on the trade market and first round picks from this year might be real tempting in a deal.

Winnipeg has picks 17 and 25. Would you trade the 8th for those two picks? Is the 8th even enough to make a deal like this happen?

 

[EspenK]

I'm not sure what the draft strategy is, but I wonder if Jarmo is considering trading down with one of the teams with two picks in the first round to increase his "ammo". The only way to make a real big impact would be on the trade market and first round picks from this year might be real tempting in a deal.

Winnipeg has picks 17 and 25. Would you trade the 8th for those two picks? Is the 8th even enough to make a deal like this happen?

No. And we'd probably have to throw in 34 or 38 if we did.

And I liked your top 9 if we acquired Oshie. My only question is how do you think that happens Anisimov + Rychel + ???.

 

[Fro]

I'm not sure what the draft strategy is, but I wonder if Jarmo is considering trading down with one of the teams with two picks in the first round to increase his "ammo". The only way to make a real big impact would be on the trade market and first round picks from this year might be real tempting in a deal.

Winnipeg has picks 17 and 25. Would you trade the 8th for those two picks? Is the 8th even enough to make a deal like this happen?

not sure i'd trade back in this draft at least in the 1st without gaining access to the defenseman we need...

 

[spintheblackcircle]

The disclaimer is that I'm a firm believer in the player usage of Gregg Popovich, which in itself directly derives from the Gospel of Earl Weaver.

As fans, we tend to love guys who play every single game like it's Game 7 of the Cup Final. The problem is that every game isn't Game 7 of the Cup Final. The guys who tend to play the game this way usually don't come close to hitting their potential, either because they're constantly injured or because they burn out early.

Spurs lost to the Clippers in game 7 because the Clippers had home court. By 1 win. If the Spurs had played their players and not sat out regular season games to "rest", they would have had home court against the Clips and probably won.

 

[Mayor Bee]

What did I ask you to do? Leave this one topic alone with me. I don't agree with you and I have no desire to discuss it with you. I'll give you this one piece and I'm done.


Yes, their playoff performance was a real disappointment and I'm mildly surprised he's back. Having said that they were 11-6-2 down the stretch and their minutes distribution was no uneven. They only had 1 forward above 19 minutes and I would hardly call their defense utilization strange based on other teams across the league. Do your research next time you post as you write books most of the time.

Oshie has a lot of playoff history and it's all the same - 4th line production.

I did my research, thank you. Among forwards, there weren't significant deviations from their regular ice time usage; among defensemen, there wasn't anything unusual there either.

All we can come back to is the eye test, which I've already brought up in the beginning. If I take my car to work and drive 85 the whole way, it's going to wear down faster than if I drive 70 the whole way.

Neither point really warrants a large summary of my entire findings.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'm not sure what the draft strategy is, but I wonder if Jarmo is considering trading down with one of the teams with two picks in the first round to increase his "ammo". The only way to make a real big impact would be on the trade market and first round picks from this year might be real tempting in a deal.

Winnipeg has picks 17 and 25. Would you trade the 8th for those two picks? Is the 8th even enough to make a deal like this happen?

Value may be there, but there's still a decent chance at 8 of picking up someone who will be NHL-ready next year; much less so with 17 and 25.

Now, if they want to throw in Burmistrov...

Spurs lost to the Clippers in game 7 because the Clippers had home court. By 1 win. If the Spurs had played their players and not sat out regular season games to "rest", they would have had home court against the Clips and probably won.

True, but if they'd run with the top roster most of the season, there's a decent possibility that they wouldn't have been in the playoffs at all.

 

[Kev22]

No. And we'd probably have to throw in 34 or 38 if we did.

And I liked your top 9 if we acquired Oshie. My only question is how do you think that happens Anisimov + Rychel + ???.

A poster on the trade board came up with the idea of #34, Anisimov and a third round pick. I didn't think that was too bad. Oshie's value I don't think is off the charts and sending them a top six/nine winger who is good on the specialty teams would be a pretty good shake up for the Blues. My only fear of trading Rychel to the Blues is he'll become a Keith Tkachuk type.

We'd really not be bringing on too much salary and would still have assets available to go fishing for a defenseman.

 

[Fro]

Eklund Alert!!!!

Update 225pm:

I'm hearing a very strong rumor right now that the Phil Kessel trade could go down as early as tonight. According to my source a few teams were close and while the price is very high, The leafs may move on that a bit to get this done so they can plan for the many other moves they have coming. The source went on to say the leafs will get multiple pieces and those pieces will help in some other deals. Also, don't rule out the New York Rangers. I wouldn't put them as a favorite, or even on the chart as of yet, but at least one source told me it's very possible

 

[Kev22]

Eklund Alert!!!!

Nash is headed to the GTA?

 

[EspenK]

A poster on the trade board came up with the idea of #34, Anisimov and a third round pick. I didn't think that was too bad. Oshie's value I don't think is off the charts and sending them a top six/nine winger who is good on the specialty teams would be a pretty good shake up for the Blues. My only fear of trading Rychel to the Blues is he'll become a Keith Tkachuk type.

We'd really not be bringing on too much salary and would still have assets available to go fishing for a defenseman.

If St L would go for that I'd do it in a heartbeat. 2 picks and a guy who has less than a year as a Jacket for a .75 ppg guy? All day long.

 

[Jackets16]

I'm not sure what the draft strategy is, but I wonder if Jarmo is considering trading down with one of the teams with two picks in the first round to increase his "ammo". The only way to make a real big impact would be on the trade market and first round picks from this year might be real tempting in a deal.

Winnipeg has picks 17 and 25. Would you trade the 8th for those two picks? Is the 8th even enough to make a deal like this happen?

I have no problem trading back if the guy we want will still be there. I have no interest in trading from 8 to 17 and it would take more than just 25 to make me think about it.

 

[Jackets16]

hahahahahahahaha NO

Good luck with that Chicago.

 

[blahblah]

I did my research, thank you. Among forwards, there weren't significant deviations from their regular ice time usage; among defensemen, there wasn't anything unusual there either.

All we can come back to is the eye test, which I've already brought up in the beginning. If I take my car to work and drive 85 the whole way, it's going to wear down faster than if I drive 70 the whole way.

Neither point really warrants a large summary of my entire findings.

Sorry this is really I can say about this.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

hahahahahahahaha NO

Aim high I suppose

 

[Viqsi]

Aim high I suppose

That's supposed to mean "aim at a high target", not "aim while high".

Seriously, that's the sort of package I would assume they'd get for Patrick Kane, not Sharp. Kind of crazy.

 

[blahblah]

Good luck with that Chicago.

Yeah, if true that is way too much.

 

[Crede777]

That package would be overpayment for prime Sharp. Much less, current 16 goal, $5.9 million AAV Sharp who Chicago is basically being forced to move.

 

[CBJFan827]

Rumors have it that Ottawa wants to move a defenseman to make room for Chris Wideman, AHL Defenseman of the Year and soon to be UFA. The most likely guys they'd want to move would be Eric Gryba, Jared Cowen, or Patrick Wiercioch. I've not seen any of them, nor Wideman play, but fans/some media have said their play isn't much to see.

Has anyone seen these players in action and can give us some insight as to whether they would be of any value to the CBJ?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I'll throw this out here since I haven't seen his name mentioned.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/19/ufa-of-the-day-johnny-oduya/

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2297

The guy has 2 cups and will most likely be UFA with Chicago's cap crunch. Solid veteran presence on the blue line. Beginning the downslide of his career so he shouldn't break the bank and addition could lead to some flexibility to assist in rebuilding the blue line for next season.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'll throw this out here since I haven't seen his name mentioned.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/19/ufa-of-the-day-johnny-oduya/

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2297

The guy has 2 cups and will most likely be UFA with Chicago's cap crunch. Solid veteran presence on the blue line. Beginning the downslide of his career so he shouldn't break the bank and addition could lead to some flexibility to assist in rebuilding the blue line for next season.

Third pairing defenseman, zero offensive skill, and not too terribly bright on the ice. And by hitting the UFA market, it would take $4 mil at minimum to get him.

Let someone else make that mistake.

 

[Viqsi]

Third pairing defenseman, zero offensive skill, and not too terribly bright on the ice. And by hitting the UFA market, it would take $4 mil at minimum to get him.

Let someone else make that mistake.

Offensive skill isn't exactly a thing we're lacking on the blueline, so I'm not overly concerned about that myself.