SSM Greyhounds 2022-23 Season Thread

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[Generalsupdates]

FWIW I saw a clear slew foot. Pinned him against the boards as he kicked his feet out so he falls back and lands on his head. Did it at full speed though so Boucher could argue there was no intent, but it looks like a clear slew foot to me

6 games makes sense. Thought it was a more viscous slew foot than the average one even without factoring in the injury so 3/4 games then 2/3 games added for the injury severity

 

[DeletedAccountt]

Was definitely dirty..

 

[DeletedAccountt]

This angle is wild

 

[HockeyPops]

Certainly looks like a slew foot here. Even lifts his knee up into the back of the legs to ensure Brzustowski had no chance.

 

[Fischhaber]

If anyone remembers the Keeghan Howdeshell 'slewfoot' from a couple of years ago, then they will know that the league has an extremely broad definition of that call and will punish anything resembling it.

In this case, the lifting of the left leg is a very unnatural movement and an extremely obvious intent to injure.

 

[DWI Dale]

that angle definitely shows i was wrong in my assessment of the hit. suspension is definitely warranted. but that hit should be called and suspendable even when there isn't an injury on the play. it shouldn't take an on-ice seizure to act if they want that kind of hit out of the game.

 

[HockeyPops]

To be fair to the refs, they probably didn't have the reverse angle at the time. The other angles were inconclusive.

 

[DWI Dale]

To be fair to the refs, they probably didn't have the reverse angle at the time. The other angles were inconclusive.

totally fair. i guess i'm referring to the bigger picture. imo if we're being honest this type of hit is fairly common and shouldn't only be addressed when a player has seizure. i fully acknowledge that i initially said the hit was clean. but i'm also just some schmoe, not an OHL official. is that fair?

 

[dirty12]

totally fair. i guess i'm referring to the bigger picture. imo if we're being honest this type of hit is fairly common and shouldn't only be addressed when a player has seizure. i fully acknowledge that i initially said the hit was clean. but i'm also just some schmoe, not an OHL official. is that fair?

That’s fair imo. I’ve softened my stance given posts by others about other angles. My initial reaction seeing only the reverse angle was 17 games (1/4 season) because the precision with which that slew foot was executed had me convinced that there is no way Boucher is a first time offender.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

That’s fair imo. I’ve softened my stance given posts by others about other angles. My initial reaction seeing only the reverse angle was 17 games (1/4 season) because the precision with which that slew foot was executed had me convinced that there is no way Boucher is a first time offender.

It's how he hits, and many others

I saw a Guelph player try to literally kick a Greyhound players feet from under him last night.

 

[Riverfront]

through 15 ohl games this season for both teams :
the windsor spitfires have scored 75 goals for
the soo greyhounds have scored 39 goals for
( 36 goal difference )
offensive production will be a challenge all year for the hounds.

 

[shot caller]

through 15 ohl games this season for both teams :
the windsor spitfires have scored 75 goals for
the soo greyhounds have scored 39 goals for
( 36 goal difference )
offensive production will be a challenge all year for the hounds.

I don’t believe anyone ever considered the lack of Hound scoring as a debatable issue.
How come you are comparing apples and oranges? Our 7th seeded counterpart in the east (Oshawa) has a similar goal output after the same amount of wins in 1 less game played. Seems like a more appropriate comparison rather than using the stats from the top team in the west.

 

[HockeyPops]

Currently, the Hounds are basically tied with Hamilton for last place in the scoring race (Soo has 2.60 goals for per game, Hamilton has 2.58).

Interestingly, the Hounds are a very respectable 6th in the league for goals against per game (Soo has 3.40 GA per game, Ottawa and Peterborough absolutely killing it at 2.42/2.50 respectively).

League average is 3.62 per game (same for both for and against, obviously).

Definitely our lack of scoring is the majority of this team's issues so far this year. It is starting to tick upwards (16 goals for over the last 5 games), but still need more. In 10 of our 15 games we have scored no more than 2 goals.

 

[DWI Dale]

definitely a lack of scoring. that said, isn't our results so far exactly what most of us predicted for this year?

it seems that we are right where most of us thought we would be in the standings with a young core and no veteran star power. i'm not sure there's any solution to our lack of scoring other than waiting until next year lol.

 

[HockeyPops]

I think we're actually doing a lot better than expected. Sorted by points percentage, our .500 is tied for 7th in the conference. I think our defense and goaltending is stronger than I expected this season. We are doing a good job of keeping pucks out. If we can add a bit of scoring we should make the playoffs and could even play spoiler in the first round.

 

[DWI Dale]

I think we're actually doing a lot better than expected. Sorted by points percentage, our .500 is tied for 7th in the conference. I think our defense and goaltending is stronger than I expected this season. We are doing a good job of keeping pucks out. If we can add a bit of scoring we should make the playoffs and could even play spoiler in the first round.

i have a feeling London passes us in the near future. I could see us and kitchener battling it out for 8th all year.

our .500 is deceiving because we have 5 extra time losses so I would consider our record 5-10 right now. London also has 2 games in hand on us.

i only speak for myself but that's what I predicted at the beginning of the year, battling for a playoff spot right until the end of the season.

 

[dirty12]

i have a feeling London passes us in the near future. I could see us and kitchener battling it out for 8th all year.

our .500 is deceiving because we have 5 extra time losses so I would consider our record 5-10 right now. London also has 2 games in hand on us.

i only speak for myself but that's what I predicted at the beginning of the year, battling for a playoff spot right until the end of the season.

i have a feeling London passes us in the near future. I could see us and kitchener battling it out for 8th all year.

our .500 is deceiving because we have 5 extra time losses so I would consider our record 5-10 right now. London also has 2 games in hand on us.

i only speak for myself but that's what I predicted at the beginning of the year, battling for a playoff spot right until the end of the season.

I can’t picture Kitchener any lower than 5-6. There could be a major shake up during the trade deadline, but for now I still think the bottom half will have Erie, (Guelph, London, Saginaw, SSM) in some order.

 

[DWI Dale]

I can’t picture Kitchener any lower than 5-6.

they've had a bit of crap start but there's still time to wake up.

 

[Savard18]

they've had a bit of crap start but there's still time to wake up.

They’ve recently added Constantini in net and Mesar to their forward group. They’re definitely gonna be trending upward.

 

[Fischhaber]

I think we're actually doing a lot better than expected. Sorted by points percentage, our .500 is tied for 7th in the conference. I think our defense and goaltending is stronger than I expected this season. We are doing a good job of keeping pucks out. If we can add a bit of scoring we should make the playoffs and could even play spoiler in the first round.

Our defensive play to this point should have been what everyone expected, given the strong depth and talent level going into the season. I'm mildly disappointed in the offense and mildly surprised by the goaltending. All in all, I predicted a .500 team and that's what we are seeing.

 

[mag1600]

Totally agree with Fischhaber in the previous post.

 

[HockeyPops]

Strongly disagree with Fischhaber and mag1600. Not disagreeing how good the d is. Disagreeing that it should have been expected.

In the offseason, our defense corps was looking like:
19 - Brzustowski
18 - Kudryavtsev
18 - Carlisle
18 - Toms. Spent time playing forward last year.

Then add in the following
20 - Thompson. Acquired for a 10th. Was just hoping he was capable of top 4 minutes.
17 - Gibson. Last defenseman we signed at 16 and sent to tbirds (Calisti) was still a defensive liability until he was 19.

It was looking pretty rough when we were trying to figure out who was going to play top 4. And that was just trying to have a serviceable d squad. But to go from serviceable to one of the best in the conference is a huge step and one that I never expected us to take. That is usually reserved for a core of four or five 19+ year olds. Never did I expect this core to actually be pushing to get there.

In fact, I would argue that our defense corps is actually stronger this season than it was last season, and that's after graduating Calisti, O'Rourke, Thompson. If anyone claims they expected that, I call BS.

Imagine how good they will be next season. Scary good.

 

[nelli27]

Nasty driving weather in parts of SW Ontario this morning. Do you know if Hounds headed to London after Saginaw game or stayed over in Saginaw?

 

[Fischhaber]

Strongly disagree with Fischhaber and mag1600. Not disagreeing how good the d is. Disagreeing that it should have been expected.

In the offseason, our defense corps was looking like:
19 - Brzustowski
18 - Kudryavtsev
18 - Carlisle
18 - Toms. Spent time playing forward last year.

Then add in the following
20 - Thompson. Acquired for a 10th. Was just hoping he was capable of top 4 minutes.
17 - Gibson. Last defenseman we signed at 16 and sent to tbirds (Calisti) was still a defensive liability until he was 19.

It was looking pretty rough when we were trying to figure out who was going to play top 4. And that was just trying to have a serviceable d squad. But to go from serviceable to one of the best in the conference is a huge step and one that I never expected us to take. That is usually reserved for a core of four or five 19+ year olds. Never did I expect this core to actually be pushing to get there.

In fact, I would argue that our defense corps is actually stronger this season than it was last season, and that's after graduating Calisti, O'Rourke, Thompson. If anyone claims they expected that, I call BS.

Imagine how good they will be next season. Scary good.

I don't think our defensemen are as good as they were last year but they will get there. We had 2 of the top 10 defensemen in the country eating up a lot of minutes and producing a ton. That's hard to replicate.

The play of our defensemen has not surprised me one bit. I'm on record praising the play of Caedan Carlisle on multiple occasions. I think he's our best defensive player and has more offensive potential to give.

I've also been very complimentary towards Kirill Kudryavtsev. Let's remember that he was a 6th overall pick in the import draft, who Kyle Raftis called an 'elite talent'. He placed third in rookie scoring last year and was solid defensively. A breakout year should be expected from a player like that. Is he playing better than you expected?

I don't really like the comparison of Gibson to Calisti. Gibson put up 51 points in 40 games with the Thunderbirds, including an astounding 21 goals. He also played very well defensively. Calisti played nowhere close to that same level in his time with the Thunderbirds (6-14-20 in 33 games).

The rest of the group is kind of where any reasonable person would have expected. Thompson is a nice addition and Virgilio looks every bit of the top 10 pick that the pundits projected him to be. I'd argue that Toms has disappointed after placing top 15 in rookie scoring last year, but there's still time for he and Brzustowski to make an impact.

 

[Fischhaber]

We sure got London'd today. Eight powerplays for them and just one for us.

The Greyhounds were the better team 5 on 5 and played very well defensively. They were actually pretty disciplined and deserved a better result.