Should we go for Trotz

[DarkKnight]

Winning a round or two wouldn’t of saved ole leather face when the hangman’s gallows came calling, not with the toxic AF work environment he had built up in the room. If it was such an error why isn’t he employed yet and is instead is coaching Canadian college hockey

Was he fired for that or the slow start? Revisionism.

 

[ACC1224]

i didn't know that Q abused people.
i am so tres sad

Part of the whole Chicago group. I think he skipped a meeting regarding the complaint to concentrate on coaching in the finals instead of taking the issue seriously.
I'd love him to Coach here as well but I'm pretty sure he's blackballed.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Was he fired for that or the slow start? Revisionism.

It was all of it, there’s no revisionist history there.

 

[Dreakmur]

Was he fired for that or the slow start? Revisionism.

He was fired because Dubas wanted Keefe and he just needed a public reason to make the change.

 

[danny90]

He isn't employed because we are still paying him what was the richest contract in hockey history until June 30 2023 . Any team wanting him will have to pay us that 5.875 million plus maybe more to get him , get a clue there bud , the fact he is coaching young players again should show you that is his strength and his name does come up as returning to the NHL in discussions about every team in the NHL that is looking to make a change .
Maybe before the name calling you might investigate what really happened from both sides instead of just swallowing the spagnum put out by the click bait media .

He can sign with whoever he wants, leafs will still owe him all the money. The reason he’s not coaching talent is because he’s a toxic loser who was gifted some of the best players in NHL history who allowed him to win, despite his best efforts to make things about himself.

 

[Kurtz]

No that's not how it works , Toronto owns him until the end of his contract , It could be done that way but Toronto has to agree to split his contract like that ,the other team and Babcock can't force that to happen . He seems pretty happy working with college kids and he also did a behind the scenes stint with Vermont where he was brought in to coach the coaches not the players . We gave him 50 million US , he doesn't need a job .

Yeah, pretty sure that's wrong. Toronto lost "ownership" of him the moment he was fired. If he wants to sign with any other team in the world, he doesn't need the Leafs permission.

 

[Al14]

You don't get to tune out Torts lol , thats not even an option , Torts would bench you then describe exactly why you got benched and what you need to change publicly in the post game presser . There's no pretending or hiding on his teams you play right and act right and he praises you , you play wrong and try to hide it and he will shine the light , thats what accountability means .

Benching highly paid players is never much of an option and rarely works long term. They'll take their guaranteed high money contract and happily sit and wait you out as their coach. This is EXACTLY what happened with Babcock.

They'll play the way they want to and tune out any comments from the coach they might not like or how they are coaching them. As soon as anything negative hits the airwaves, just watch what their agents have to say !!!

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah, pretty sure that's wrong. Toronto lost "ownership" of him the moment he was fired. If he wants to sign with any other team in the world, he doesn't need the Leafs permission.

He would have to forfeit the remainder of the money owed to him.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Nope cuz keefe is on his way to being a Hall of Fame coach.

 

[Zero1]

The dream is dead. Trotz will be hired by Vegas.

 

[tellermine]

Any team not named Islanders should try to get him.
Surely he had a bad season but we all do.

 

[saltming]

I've been begging for the Leafs to hire Trots for 5 years now. The problem is the Leaf brain trust think that they are just unlucky and they got everything they need to win the cup. That is a dangerous mindset.

I think Keefe is the problem.

We wont hire Trotz, Vegas will.

I hope you're wrong.

The dream is dead. Trotz will be hired by Vegas.

Wasn't Babcock hired by Buffalo?

 

[Kurtz]

He would have to forfeit the remainder of the money owed to him.

I haven't heard of that - do you have a link to this rule?

My understanding is if a coach is fired, he can negotiate with any team. I've never heard of a team blocking a fired coach from signing elsewhere.

The two teams do have to agree on the split of his salary - I'm not sure if there are any rules around that though.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I really really like Keefe, but Trotz knows how to get it done. Hard choice.

I really like swearing, especially throwing out F-bombs.

But I don't swear around family and professional environments the way Keefe does.

Is my point that Keefe should be fired for swearing so much?

Yes.

Because at this point, that's all I've got to go on.

I'll let the elite executives figure this out and see what's going on in October.

Yes as the most storied and wealthy franchise, we don’t need rookies as general managers, presidents and coaches. Fire them all

Not Shanny.

Come at me anyone but we should NOT fire Shanny, ever.

 

[ACC1224]

I haven't heard of that - do you have a link to this rule?

My understanding is if a coach is fired, he can negotiate with any team. I've never heard of a team blocking a fired coach from signing elsewhere.

The two teams do have to agree on the split of his salary - I'm not sure if there are any rules around that though.

I'm not sure the exact rule but he would be entitled to every penny of his contract unless he chooses to dissolve it.
Not sure when it's up but he'll certainly be back in the league again at some point.

 

[DarkKnight]

He was fired because Dubas wanted Keefe and he just needed a public reason to make the change.

No he was fired because we kept getting booted out of the first round and the team was awful to start the season. If he won he’d still be here and nobody would be talking about Mitch’s list, we’d be bronzing him with the cup.

It was all of it, there’s no revisionist history there.

No it was one thing LOSING. If we won, this conversation isn’t even happening. Look I thought it was time to fire the guy too at the end, and I’m not disputing all the stuff we learned, but he was fired because we lost.

 

[Dreakmur]

No he was fired because we kept getting booted out of the first round and the team was awful to start the season. If he won he’d still be here and nobody would be talking about Mitch’s list, we’d be bronzing him with the cup.

He lost one series that they arguable should have won. He had the team growing and improving... until the new GM was hired and they couldn't get along. No doubt in my mind Dubas deliberately sabotaged Babcock to create the narrative to support his firing.

 

[saltming]

What the actual F?
That better be pr speak because of they don't approach Trotz, I have no words

 

[Nylanderthal]

No he was fired because we kept getting booted out of the first round and the team was awful to start the season. If he won he’d still be here and nobody would be talking about Mitch’s list, we’d be bronzing him with the cup.


No it was one thing LOSING. If we won, this conversation isn’t even happening. Look I thought it was time to fire the guy too at the end, and I’m not disputing all the stuff we learned, but he was fired because we lost.

No, he was shit canned cause the players had tuned him out, if they beat Boston that post season and lost the subsequent round and came out at an 80pt pace through us thanksgiving with how the room was he’d of been gone.

 

[DarkKnight]

He lost one series that they arguable should have won. He had the team growing and improving... until the new GM was hired and they couldn't get along. No doubt in my mind Dubas deliberately sabotaged Babcock to create the narrative to support his firing.we lost three

We lost three series and stunk the next season? What a sabotage.

No, he was shit canned cause the players had tuned him out, if they beat Boston that post season and lost the subsequent round and came out at an 80pt pace through us thanksgiving with how the room was he’d of been gone.

Baseless speculation. We lost three straight years and stunk the next. Seems self evident to me.

 

[cannucky]

Yeah, pretty sure that's wrong. Toronto lost "ownership" of him the moment he was fired. If he wants to sign with any other team in the world, he doesn't need the Leafs permission.

Wrong they terminated his duties but not his actual contract ot was a guaranteed deal , they didn't even lump sum him , he's still making 5.875 USD per year and they still own him until it expires .

 

[Dreakmur]

We lost three series and stunk the next season? What a sabotage.

We were only expected to even compete in the 3rd series.

Dubas deliberately didn't get players Babcock needed and wanted, and he even got rid of players he did like and want. It was very clear they didn't get along, and that was permission for the players to quit without consequences.

 

[cannucky]

I'm not sure the exact rule but he would be entitled to every penny of his contract unless he chooses to dissolve it.
Not sure when it's up but he'll certainly be back in the league again at some point.

It expires June 30 2023 , His most recent interviews seem to say he's not really interested in coaching spoiled primma donna's , he did one a year or two ago where he wasn't even interested in coaching the Olympics again , He said it would be a great opportunity for one of the many great canadian coaches but he has been there done that twice plus a World Championship so it's time to let someone else experience it .

 

[Kurtz]

Wrong they terminated his duties but not his actual contract ot was a guaranteed deal , they didn't even lump sum him , he's still making 5.875 USD per year and they still own him until it expires .

Yes, off course he is entitled to his full compensation even if fired - but that would not prevent him from signing with any other team. No team has ever blocked their fired coach from signing elsewhere to my knowledge. I believe the signing team would give some financial relief to his former team as well in that scenario, though that part of it is murky.

 

[DarkKnight]

We were only expected to even compete in the 3rd series.

Dubas deliberately didn't get players Babcock needed and wanted, and he even got rid of players he did like and want. It was very clear they didn't get along, and that was permission for the players to quit without consequences.

Yes it was clear as day, also irrelevant as it relates to winning. And if you’re actually arguing Dubas deliberately sand bagged the team, I think we’re done here.