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Should the Leafs get Trotz of possible?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 74.6%

  • No

    Votes: 29 24.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Total voters
    118
Say what you want about Keefe but he's done a good job and the stats show that. With that said, Trotz is an all-time great and if the opportunity was there to bring in Trotz, I would have been happy if they did it.
 
horner said:
In the making is not what we needed when Babson was fired and not what we need today.
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In Lou speak: "We don't have time and cannot afford to wait" ...this is the big issue with not knowing if you can re-sign AM...if we had 5 more years...you could step back for one year and still not worry too much. Alas...we are where we are and need to deal with it.
 
ErnieLeafs said:
Naaa, I think the breakthrough is pretty close. He was a great coach in the AHL, and he continues to get better at the NHL level. We’re a bogus 5-on-3 in game 6 from going on a run, against a team that won back-to-back cups, and is in game 6 for another. It’s not like we pulled this guy outta the York-Simcoe Express program. He’s a damn good coach.


The Avs are about to win a cup built in much the same mould we are..
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The question is, is Trotz and upgrade? If the answer is yes and he is available and willing to come here, should we not upgrade?
 
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Getting Trotz to take over Keefe doesn’t mean Keefe sucks, it just means Trotz is better.
Like trading McD for AM, there is no slight to AM bc MCD is just the better player.
 
After the Dubas Babs fiasco you have to wonder if Dubas could work with a coach like Trotz, or if Trotz would want to work with Dubas. At least at first there would be some reservations to overcome on both sides.
 
I read Trotz's comments more like "I'd rather take a year off then move to Winnipeg."

If he had been hoping for the Vegas or Philly jobs, when he saw what was available after missing out on those it would make sense to wait to see if the right coaching situation is available next summer.

At least something better than cold, isolated, strange time zone Winnipeg.
 
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He'll take time off for family but also noted he'd keep himself informed of all situations.

Looks like he was impressed by Winnipeg's efforts but nothing conclusive.

One more year for Keefe, a year in which Trotz sits and watches for his preferred opportunity.

Sounds like a reasonable timeline for all involved to me.
 
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kevsh said:
I read Trotz's comments more like "I'd rather take a year off then move to Winnipeg."

If he had been hoping for the Vegas or Philly jobs, when he saw what was available after missing out on those it would make sense to wait to see if the right coaching situation is available next summer.

At least something better than cold, isolated, strange time zone Winnipeg.
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Didn’t he interview with Winnipeg ?
 
ACC1224 said:
That’s what I thought. He wouldn’t interview if the destination wouldn’t be considered
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Agreed. I think he would like to pick a more opportunistic spot, but that's just my opinion

rocketman588 said:
Crazy that he's from there and even he didn't want to move to Winnipeg lol
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I think it's more a statement to the team than the city tbh.
The jets are a good team with amazing players, but for some reason they don't accomplish to a level expected
 
If we don’t make some *hit shake this year, Keefe will be gone either way, so with Trotz taking time away, he may be there next offseason
 
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Timing is everything !!!.

He's likely waiting for the Toronto job to open up, and wants to make sure he will be available, and well relaxed to prepare for it. :wg:

Trotz has won 8 playoff rounds in the last 3 season including a pair of final 4 appearances, after coming off a Cup in Washington, while Keefe has won a measly 8 games total, which is mathematically just the minimum to win 2 playoff rounds combined, if you could steal playoff wins from previous years to make that fact happen.

The end is near, the writing already on the wall, and besides if he really wants to get paid well, then certainly Toronto is his best option for that.

However Leafs after all are paying Babcock $5.875 mil per season of his $50 million contract, until his eight-year contract expires on June 30, 2023. Dubas forced MLSE to eat that cost, just for the opportunity for him to have his boy Keefe coach the team to round #1 losses annually, while they double down on coaching costs for the organization. Babcock was already the highest paid coach at that time, so that cost gets factored in by adding in Keefe salary now, and then a new coach, would be paying 3 coaches on the books at the same time .. Since Trotz won't come cheap, they're basically pot committed to Keefe like it or not.

The Shan-a-plan never included paying 3 head coaches all at the same time, just to try and win a single playoff round, heading into his 9th year in charge of hockey operations.. Pretty soon someone in Ownership is going to start noticing the problem might be much higher up then just coaching, when that kind of financial investment starts showing up in the MLSE financial records.

So the timing in Toronto is all wrong at present. It will be good timing next summer, for when Leafs clear the books of all their financial obligations to former coaches, to bring in a winning coach like Trotz. IMO
 
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Mess said:
Timing is everything !!!.

He's likely waiting for the Toronto job to open up, and wants to make sure he will be available, and well relaxed to prepare for it. :wg:

Trotz has won 8 playoff rounds in the last 3 season including a pair of final 4 appearances, after coming off a Cup in Washington, while Keefe has won a measly 8 games total, which is mathematically just the minimum to win 2 playoff rounds combined, if you could steal playoff wins from previous years to make that fact happen.

The end is near, the writing already on the wall, and besides if he really wants to get paid well, then certainly Toronto is his best option for that.

However Leafs after all are paying Babcock $5.875 mil per season of his $50 million contract, until his eight-year contract expires on June 30, 2023. Dubas forced MLSE to eat that cost, just for the opportunity for him to have his boy Keefe coach the team to round #1 losses annually, while they double down on coaching costs for the organization. Babcock was already the highest paid coach at that time, so that cost gets factored in by adding in Keefe salary now, and then a new coach, would be paying 3 coaches on the books at the same time .. Since Trotz won't come cheap, they're basically pot committed to Keefe like it or not.

The Shan-a-plan never included paying 3 head coaches all at the same time, just to try and win a single playoff round, heading into his 9th year in charge of hockey operations.. Pretty soon someone in Ownership is going to start noticing the problem might be much higher up then just coaching, when that kind of financial investment starts showing up in the MLSE financial records.

So the timing in Toronto is all wrong at present. It will be good timing next summer, for when Leafs clear the books of all their financial obligations to former coaches, to bring in a winning coach like Trotz. IMO
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While I agree with the fiscal logic there is also the added pressure of winning that the media and fans put on the team.
At what point does it become a need to happen event? Will another fist round loss crate a cascade that wipes management out from the top down?
I mean if you bring in a proven coach like Trotz and still get knocked out in the first, optically speaking at least you tried something, otherwise you're in Einstein's definition of insanity.
Of course if Trotz doesn't want to coach this year, it would be prudent to stand pat and make the push for him next year for the reasons you've stated.
 
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