Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[Adele Dazeem]

5 x 7.5M would be extremely tough to match.

Doubt anyone goes that high for Pinto, but even if they did Ottawa would match and move a guy like Joseph for example.

and 3 wouldn't?

Reported that team has been discussing 5/6 year term which makes the most sense.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don’t like bridging players to their last RFA year, it gives the player far too much leverage to simply go to arbitration and hit UFA.

I see.. its a good stance

Doubt anyone goes that high for Pinto, but even if they did Ottawa would match and move a guy like Joseph for example.



Reported that team has been discussing 5/6 year term which makes the most sense.

I don't see it below 5x5 , higher AAV for more UFA years

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Yeah, I guess Jarventie can do a good Kubalik impression by being a shy perimeter player with a good shot, but ideally I want someone better. Someone I can plug into the top 6 who can push Pinto down to the third line. I dream of a Greig - Pinto - Joseph third line.

Personally I think you're selling Jarventie short a bit, but regardless of what your assessment of the player is, I don't think we're adding a player with a salary of more than $2M to replace Kubalik. More likely it will be Crookshank.

A line of Greig - Pinto - Joseph would be great but even if Norris is healthy I think that one of Pinto or Greig will be in the top 6.

I think a third line of Crook - Greig - Joseph could be really effective.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

This is all valid and it gives me pause, but ultimately I think we need a new start. ANUSTART, for short.

If you know you know

 

[Ice-Tray]

This is a risky but interesting idea.

The risk is that we stall out and Pinto becomes a top line player (or close to top line)... basically Stone 2.0... and then walks to UFA/isn't willing to extend. And if Norris is permanently compromised and immovable, we will need to navigate very carefully.

On the other hand, the cap is tight and will go up significantly in the next 3-5 years. If Pinto tops out as a $6m player and wants to stick around, this is probably the best option.

I would rather go at least 5yrs but this move should tell us a bit about how Staois et al will operate moving forward

It’s a dumb idea. Yours is far superior. Are we really going to walk pinto to the ultimate leverage situation?

This is a player that we buy into; he’s a core player that we don’t want to nickle and dime, all the way to one year out from FA.

Have we not learned our lesson?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I worry a bit that Pinto played this season guilty. Only playing a half season and in a contract year...I think it's screwing projections of him a fair bit.

I do like Pinto and think he is going to be like Pageau, as in a superstar 3rd liner type of guy who can plug into the second line and be good enough to almost stick there full time.

He's the exact type of player who we should bridge. If it means he gets more money in his next contract 3 years down the road, that's ok. It means he will have earned it.

 

[PlayOn]

I worry a bit that Pinto played this season guilty. Only playing a half season and in a contract year...I think it's screwing projections of him a fair bit.

I do like Pinto and think he is going to be like Pageau, as in a superstar 3rd liner type of guy who can plug into the second line and be good enough to almost stick there full time.

He's the exact type of player who we should bridge. If it means he gets more money in his next contract 3 years down the road, that's ok. It means he will have earned it.

I’m higher on Pinto than you but I don’t see a long-term deal of 5.5-6 mil as much of a risk. Even if he’s an elite 3C rather than a top 6 guy that’s about the going rate for one with cap increases.

The other thing about a 3 year deal is that Zub and Batherson are up, and in 4 years it’s Brady and Chabot. I don’t think we keep them all anyway, but regardless let’s say you keep Batherson and Brady, between them you could be adding 6 million to your cap. Having Pinto locked up is probably important for our cap flexibility.

If this thing all unravels before then, you’re probably not so worried about cap allocation. So a long-term deal makes more sense to me.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I think it will be under 6 mil. This isn't Pierre Dorion negotiating the contracts, I'm guessing Staios won't be as willing to throw big money at these guys until they can prove they are gamers.

 

[SensHulk]

Bridge him. Half of our problems are because the young guns got too much security too fast. That’s actually not a knock on Dorion, with our history of losing talent it made sense but it showed in effort levels the last couple seasons

 

[KevinRedkey]

I would rather bridge him if we're in the range of 6 per. That seems like way too much IMO

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think it will be under 6 mil. This isn't Pierre Dorion negotiating the contracts, I'm guessing Staios won't be as willing to throw big money at these guys until they can prove they are gamers.

Pierre would sign a couple UFAs and leave Pinto dangling in the wind... Sounds far fetched I know.

 

[JungleBeat]

Bridge deal. Why go long-term on someone who was suspended half the season and played just one full season.

 

[aragorn]

Pinto finished the yr as the #1 centre between Tkachuk & Batherson, he was contantly on the #1 PP for his shot off the faceoff circle & not only is a very good two way 200' centre, but also good at faceoffs. IMO he is a complete player who will only get better & I suspect he will be in the top six next yr one way or another.

 

[Tuna99]

If Travis Green does a good job next year Pinto will be in top 15 Selke voting

And Sandy will be top 8 in Norris voting

 

[Crosside]

SHORT-TERM SOLUTION: Senators studying two-year deal for centre Shane Pinto

While the Senators would prefer to sign Pinto to a five- or six-year deal, league sources say the two sides are studying the option of a two-year term to get a contract in place.

ottawacitizen.com

 

[GCK]

Sure seems like Staios has a plan. Refreshing.

 

[Yak]

I see.. its a good stance


I don't see it below 5x5 , higher AAV for more UFA years

Yeah you don't give this kid a bridge. However you need to even the money out over the span of the contract to make them happy. He definitely going to have to give a discount as a punishment for his gambling incident. There is no way he's playing hard ball on this contract.

We see the projection on him and so does he and so does his agent but the numbers don't justify a big contract that we know he's worth but it's all subjective. We can always say he could be the next Colin White, which we know is not going to happen but it's a good card to play. I don't know if I see his ceiling as high as Batherson offensively but I think he definitely is going to be a more complete two-way player which definitely has its own value as well.

I am not too worried about this happening because the other thing is is that he wants to get paid he wants his fat payday just like everyone and he knows this team is already full of guys with getting their bag already. There's only so much that can go around and he's going to find that out a little bit. I think honestly for him he would be smarter to just take a one-year deal and blow the doors off of everybody in the next season and then look for a bigger deal.

Always fun to see how these contract negotiations go especially with a new GM. Everyone needs to be patient though this is a slam dunk in my eyes.

 

[Sun God Nika]

If Pinto is willing to sign long term at 5m per season and the ink hasn't touched the paper yet, i am not so sure I am as confident in this management team as I was since they were assembled 8 months ago.

The cap will likely be jumping up 5 mil a season for the foreseeable future this is basically Pinto signing at 3.5 by the half life of the deal. Pinto is a very safe bet to be your 20 goal 50-60pt middle 6 C.

Please let there be something with everything out there, we finally got rid of one moronic GM, please don't give me the other end of the pendulum. It almost feels like Steve is scared to make any kind of move that will give the sens any type of headline.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I think that it is possible that they want to wait to sign Pinto until after the draft and July 1st.

They have very little cap flexibility. There are a lot of moving parts. After July 1st, they will have a clearer picture of how everything fits together.

As in, because they cannot commit until they see how much cap space they have, they are going to play hardball in the meantime to see if they can get him to come off his number. It doesn't hurt them because the 5M offer will still be there a week or two from now (assuming no offer sheet), but maybe they get an extra concession by pushing.

It is also possible that maybe they are listening on Pinto in a trade, and this is their way of broadcasting what he would take on a long-term deal. I think this is very unlikely, but it's always possible.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Yeahhh, with the rising cap this could look pretty foolish in a couple years.

 

[bicboi64]

Not getting my hopes up for a deal that will work in the long run. If Pinto gets a higher aav, but a contract that looks good as the cap continues to rise, it'd be awesome, but we lose room to make improvements this season which is kind of a must.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I think that it is possible that they want to wait to sign Pinto until after the draft and July 1st.

They have very little cap flexibility. There are a lot of moving parts. After July 1st, they will have a clearer picture of how everything fits together.

As in, because they cannot commit until they see how much cap space they have, they are going to play hardball in the meantime to see if they can get him to come off his number. It doesn't hurt them because the 5M offer will still be there a week or two from now (assuming no offer sheet), but maybe they get an extra concession by pushing.

It is also possible that maybe they are listening on Pinto in a trade, and this is their way of broadcasting what he would take on a long-term deal. I think this is very unlikely, but it's always possible.

Conversely, they would probably also like to know how much money they really have to spend on free agents before Free Agency opens up.

It's a bit of an eye opener learning that $5/year on a longer contract has been (reportedly) a sticking point especially if they see him as a 2C.

 

[Cosmix]

Pinto finished the yr as the #1 centre between Tkachuk & Batherson, he was contantly on the #1 PP for his shot off the faceoff circle & not only is a very good two way 200' centre, but also good at faceoffs. IMO he is a complete player who will only get better & I suspect he will be in the top six next yr one way or another.

Only because Stutzle and Norris were injured. That cannot be overlooked. I like Pinto but I do not see a #1 center at anytime in the future. He might become a #2 center.

I agree he will likely play in the top 6 due to Norris' injury, centering the 2nd line.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Chytil signed for 4yrs at 4.438. He was coming off 22g / 45p in 72 games, and was the same age as Pinto, with a similar draft pedigree.

4 x 4.734 would be the same cap% today,a dn I think that's close to fair.

I am beginning to worry why he hasn't been signed already though. They had a long time to discuss all this in 2023.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Chytil signed for 4yrs at 4.438. He was coming off 22g / 45p in 72 games, and was the same age as Pinto, with a similar draft pedigree.

4 x 4.734 would be the same cap% today,a dn I think that's close to fair.

I am beginning to worry why he hasn't been signed already though. They had a long time to discuss all this in 2023.

I’d rather a bridge than a 4 year deal sending him straight to UFA, but Staios should jump all over the supposed 6 year offer for 5 mil per.