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If everything with Brown was a-ok, would they be taking a 2nd look at Pitlick?

I try to not read too much into things but it’d really only make sense to consider Pitlick again if there was a possible roster spot for him. Someone going to IR would do it…

I think they planned this the entire time. He was looking like a lock to make the team, and it always made sense to announce it post-LTIR moves. Him being injured just delayed the process by a week.

Also, Leivo has already cleared waivers, so I’d assume he goes down to Springfield whenever Brown is healthy.
 
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I think they planned this the entire time. He was looking like a lock to make the team, and it always made sense to announce it post-LTIR moves. Him being injured just delayed the process by a week.

Also, Leivo has already cleared waivers, so I’d assume he goes down to Springfield whenever Brown is healthy.
I expected the Blues to sign Pitlick once he was healthy because it was a safe play; nobody else was likely to sign him and he played to a sufficient level to contribute during the season at some point. The injury obviously wasn't something major to cause concern but it was enough to derail getting signed right away.
 
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Korac said it's just a maintenance day.
Here’s the actual tweet:


He must be slightly banged up.

Interesting that Pitlick is going on the trip. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of these days he’s simply signed and then he’s in the game a few hours later.

No mention of Brown going on the trip though… 🤔
 
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Glad I haven't heard any talk about Thomas's being hurt. He looked like he was in pain and laboring and falling often after that awkward fall at the blueline.
 

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Army was on Jeff Marek's radio show yesterday and mentioned that Torpo's shoulder surgery was performed in Vail. That is the location of the Steadman clinic where Tarasenko got his 3rd surgery done and I find it very unlikely that Torpo went to a different doctor in Vail. For anyone concerned or making jokes about our doctors, that should be good news.

We will almost certainly never hear the details about how that came to be, but I'd guess that the team was 100% okay with him doing whatever they recommended given the success of their procedure on Tarasenko. I have to imagine that Tarasenko was in Torpo's ear about it.
 

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Army was on Jeff Marek's radio show yesterday and mentioned that Torpo's shoulder surgery was performed in Vail. That is the location of the Steadman clinic where Tarasenko got his 3rd surgery done and I find it very unlikely that Torpo went to a different doctor in Vail. For anyone concerned or making jokes about our doctors, that should be good news.

We will almost certainly never hear the details about how that came to be, but I'd guess that the team was 100% okay with him doing whatever they recommended given the success of their procedure on Tarasenko. I have to imagine that Tarasenko was in Torpo's ear about it.
Did he have anything else interesting to say?
 

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Did he have anything else interesting to say?
Not a ton for those of us who follow the team regularly. Pretty standard GM speak about the schedule. Praise of Thomas/Kyrou and a bit of a defense of their extensions. He differentiated them from some of the speculative deals given out to guys coming off an ELC and talked about how these contracts will age just fine even if they don't develop any further. He praises Neighbours and talked about how he will stay here if he can stick in the top 9 but they don't want to stunt his development by siting him if not. Some discussion about how a flat cap creates tough decisions, but he ducked the question about the future of ROR and Tarasenko.

He did joke about Binner being 'more bark than bite' when Marek asked about whether this was the year he would drop the gloves. Pretty clear that the organization has talked to him about not risking injury in a fight.
 
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Not a ton for those of us who follow the team regularly. Pretty standard GM speak about the schedule. Praise of Thomas/Kyrou and a bit of a defense of their extensions. He differentiated them from some of the speculative deals given out to guys coming off an ELC and talked about how these contracts will age just fine even if they don't develop any further. He praises Neighbours and talked about how he will stay here if he can stick in the top 9 but they don't want to stunt his development by siting him if not. Some discussion about how a flat cap creates tough decisions, but he ducked the question about the future of ROR and Tarasenko.

He did joke about Binner being 'more bark than bite' when Marek asked about whether this was the year he would drop the gloves. Pretty clear that the organization has talked to him about not risking injury in a fight.
I don’t want my goalie fighting even if it was entertaining at one point in time (CuJo v Chevelde anyone?), but especially when our backup isn’t a tandem guy.
 

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He did joke about Binner being 'more bark than bite' when Marek asked about whether this was the year he would drop the gloves. Pretty clear that the organization has talked to him about not risking injury in a fight.
It's clear Binnington is one of the most hated players in the NHL, but he hasn't actually delivered cheap shots or hit anyone. There isn't some grudge of actual damage behind all the hate. It's just that his flavor of self-confidence is like nails on a chalkboard to some people, so his ordinary goalie struggles get amplified and dogpiled by enemies and Blues fans themselves. If Binnington's opening move hadn't been "I'm super confident and I'm bringing the Cup to St. Louis" and then doing it, I might not be on his side. But it was and I am.
 
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He did joke about Binner being 'more bark than bite' when Marek asked about whether this was the year he would drop the gloves. Pretty clear that the organization has talked to him about not risking injury in a fight.
Jeff Marek already missed the year Binnington dropped the gloves
 
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It's clear Binnington is one of the most hated players in the NHL, but he hasn't actually delivered cheap shots or hit anyone. There isn't some grudge of actual damage behind all the hate. It's just that his flavor of self-confidence is like nails on a chalkboard to some people, so his ordinary goalie struggles get amplified and dogpiled by enemies and Blues fans themselves. If Binnington's opening move hadn't been "I'm super confident and I'm bringing the Cup to St. Louis" and then doing it, I might not be on his side. But it was and I am.
This shit is not just a flavor of self-confidence.

Neither was this.

Neither was this.

Whether it is calculated to try and fire the team up or just him throwing temper tantrums, it absolutely isn't just a self confidence that rubs people the wrong way. As a whole, NHL players have very little respect for players who act tough and refuse to back it up. When it is skaters doing that stuff, they generally get called rats. And those skaters are forced to answer for nonsense a lot more than the guy behind a cage and rules that specifically prevent them from contact.

I don't like when Binner does that because it just forces our skaters to answer the bell for him. I don't hate him for it, but I roll my eyes at it. It's the little guy from high school who's constantly starting crap and then acting like the only reason he's not kicking your ass is because his friends are holding him back. It's the dude in men's league who wears a cage but is quick to throw gloved punches on the guys who aren't wearing a cage.

His reputation is well deserved and isn't just because he is self-confident.
 

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Jeff Marek already missed the year Binnington dropped the gloves

Not for nothing, but there is a pretty big difference between a half-assed AHL fight against your old roommate and an NHL fight. I had agreements with two former goalie partners (turned opponents) that we would drop the gloves at center ice if the game was out of hand and our new teams got into a big scrum. We were still friends and wouldn't have been trying to hurt each other, but what crowd doesn't love a goalie fight? Our fights would have looked like that one and that is definitely different than dropping the gloves against a random opponent in the show.
 

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It's clear Binnington is one of the most hated players in the NHL, but he hasn't actually delivered cheap shots or hit anyone. There isn't some grudge of actual damage behind all the hate. It's just that his flavor of self-confidence is like nails on a chalkboard to some people, so his ordinary goalie struggles get amplified and dogpiled by enemies and Blues fans themselves. If Binnington's opening move hadn't been "I'm super confident and I'm bringing the Cup to St. Louis" and then doing it, I might not be on his side. But it was and I am.
But he pretended to try to hit a guy with his stick! And he threw a water bottle in someone's vicinity!!
 

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This shit is not just a flavor of self-confidence.

Neither was this.

Neither was this.

Whether it is calculated to try and fire the team up or just him throwing temper tantrums, it absolutely isn't just a self confidence that rubs people the wrong way. As a whole, NHL players have very little respect for players who act tough and refuse to back it up. When it is skaters doing that stuff, they generally get called rats. And those skaters are forced to answer for nonsense a lot more than the guy behind a cage and rules that specifically prevent them from contact.

I don't like when Binner does that because it just forces our skaters to answer the bell for him. I don't hate him for it, but I roll my eyes at it. It's the little guy from high school who's constantly starting crap and then acting like the only reason he's not kicking your ass is because his friends are holding him back. It's the dude in men's league who wears a cage but is quick to throw gloved punches on the guys who aren't wearing a cage.

His reputation is well deserved and isn't just because he is self-confident.
You played the position, I have not. But I can't get excited about someone popping Jamie Been in the side of the head, or a "get your attention" slash on Bishop's stick. I've never seen anything that was a cheapshot or intent to injure. Those are the kinds of guys that I think belong in the 'hated player' category.

I think Binnington just doesn't like to take shit from people. You may be right that he has thrown some temper tantrums, but I have never seen him look like he's lost control to me. I also get a strong sense that the rest of the team (and his head coach) actually like this quality from him. Maybe I'm misreading the room.
 

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You played the position, I have not. But I can't get excited about someone popping Jamie Been in the side of the head, or a "get your attention" slash on Bishop's stick. I've never seen anything that was a cheapshot or intent to injure. Those are the kinds of guys that I think belong in the 'hated player' category.

I think Binnington just doesn't like to take shit from people. You may be right that he has thrown some temper tantrums, but I have never seen him look like he's lost control to me. I also get a strong sense that the rest of the team (and his head coach) actually like this quality from him. Maybe I'm misreading the room.
Usually when you do that stuff as a goalie, it leads to one of your teammates getting punched in the face several times. Coaches ask skaters to take a lot of pain in order to 'protect our goalie.' Guys lay down to block shots while wearing a hell of a lot less gear than I have on. Guys take a lot of punches, cross checks, and slashes pulling attackers away from me when they crash the crease or jam at loose pucks. When I go out and start shit with an opposing skater, there is an expectation that my teammates are going to jump in and aggressively have my back. And the guy I'm going after knows damn well that if he retaliates in kind, he is likely going to get immediately mugged by multiple guys and is likely to get the extra penalty unless I was way over the top.

Starting shit that you know you won't have to finish is somewhere between childish and selfish. So is the 'made you flinch' stuff.

Again, I'm far away from hating Binner and I agree that a lot of people blow the stuff out of proportion (same with Marchand, same with Ott, same with Lappiere, etc). But I do roll my eyes at anyone acting tough and then hiding behind the multiple layers of protection they have. I fully agreed with Dubnyk's interview where he was laughing at Binner and noting that he would have throttled him in a real fight. People don't just hate him because he is confident.
 

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This shit is not just a flavor of self-confidence.

Neither was this.

Neither was this.

Whether it is calculated to try and fire the team up or just him throwing temper tantrums, it absolutely isn't just a self confidence that rubs people the wrong way. As a whole, NHL players have very little respect for players who act tough and refuse to back it up. When it is skaters doing that stuff, they generally get called rats. And those skaters are forced to answer for nonsense a lot more than the guy behind a cage and rules that specifically prevent them from contact.

I don't like when Binner does that because it just forces our skaters to answer the bell for him. I don't hate him for it, but I roll my eyes at it. It's the little guy from high school who's constantly starting crap and then acting like the only reason he's not kicking your ass is because his friends are holding him back. It's the dude in men's league who wears a cage but is quick to throw gloved punches on the guys who aren't wearing a cage.

His reputation is well deserved and isn't just because he is self-confident.
The self-confidence came first. His overall demeanor and confidence was initially polarizing. He was hated by people well before his two incidents with Dubnyk and Kadri, a player who has deliberately injured multiple people.

Do you instead believe he was viewed neutrally by league fans until the Dubnyk/Sharks incident justifiably generated the league-wide hatred? I do not. I believe he was hated before this moment.

Binnington gets away with 0.0, is what I see. Nothing. Overreacting to Benn's antagonism was his first penalty in the NHL, as the announcers note. He did not get away with even one penalty with you.

Again, he has not actually done any physical damage. He didn't injure some team's player and knock them out of the lineup. He got into antagonism with antagonism and I said he has grated on people. True. I don't think he should swing his stick at anyone. But he hasn't gotten away with a single thing. All three of his incidents are at your fingertips.

Remember Corey Crawford? He is a 6'2" jumping little Robby Fabbri. There is no league-wide reviling of Crawford. There isn't even remembering of it. We can obviously think of many more examples. If I read your argument correctly, then him not jumping Kadri is the real issue.

So, as far as forcing our skaters to answer the bell for him, is that true? Which Blue got beat up by a Dallas Star for the incident with Benn & Bishop? Which Blue got beat up by a Shark? Which Blue got beat up by an Avs player after the Kadri incident? It sounds like a persuasive argument but I'd like to see the evidence behind it.
 

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This shit is not just a flavor of self-confidence.

Neither was this.

Neither was this.

Whether it is calculated to try and fire the team up or just him throwing temper tantrums, it absolutely isn't just a self confidence that rubs people the wrong way. As a whole, NHL players have very little respect for players who act tough and refuse to back it up. When it is skaters doing that stuff, they generally get called rats. And those skaters are forced to answer for nonsense a lot more than the guy behind a cage and rules that specifically prevent them from contact.

I don't like when Binner does that because it just forces our skaters to answer the bell for him. I don't hate him for it, but I roll my eyes at it. It's the little guy from high school who's constantly starting crap and then acting like the only reason he's not kicking your ass is because his friends are holding him back. It's the dude in men's league who wears a cage but is quick to throw gloved punches on the guys who aren't wearing a cage.

His reputation is well deserved and isn't just because he is self-confident.

Not for nothing, but there is a pretty big difference between a half-assed AHL fight against your old roommate and an NHL fight. I had agreements with two former goalie partners (turned opponents) that we would drop the gloves at center ice if the game was out of hand and our new teams got into a big scrum. We were still friends and wouldn't have been trying to hurt each other, but what crowd doesn't love a goalie fight? Our fights would have looked like that one and that is definitely different than dropping the gloves against a random opponent in the show.


I also played goal and sometimes you have to drag your team into the fight. If you watch those games you'll remember no one was doing shit until Binnington took it upon himself. Also, it's nice that you and your buddies wanted to do fake fights but maybe your heart wasn't as into it as the rest of your team? I respect mostly everything you have to say about the sport so don't take this the wrong way but it honestly sounds like you nuetered version of the game. I miss the Belfours and Hextals. Special mention for Ray Emery too.
 
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There’s a goalie in my men’s league that’s known that you can throw him off his game fairly easily. Buzz the crease a bit, score a couple goals on him, chirp him a bit, etc. Once he “goes Hextall” (that’s the actual term we use) we know we have him and he’ll start yelling at us, his teammates and himself and letting in almost any shot.

That’s my concern with goalies that are overly emotional, especially when the emotions are negative. I like that Binny has some swagger but I agree with Brian that his tough act sometimes likely comes off as insecurity that teams can exploit to throw him off his game.

I liked the article done on Binny in training camp where he talked about how he was fueled by anger, resentment and proving people wrong. But now it sounds like he’s going to try to use more positive emotions. I was glad to hear that. I’ve played one whopping hour of goalie in my life (side note: when your goalie friend says, “hey, let’s swap equipment for practice today. It’ll be fun!” don’t listen to him!) but I’d have to think that fueling off of positive emotions would be more sustainable than off of negative emotions.

Binny has looked good so far so glad to see it.
 
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