Proposal: Scheifele for Toews?
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Brock Radunske
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Last season.
That's one season.
Laine>Ovi and Scheifele>Toews
What's in the water in Winnipeg?
thedoughboy
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Easy, quick, and resounding no from this hawks fan.
I'll keep toews, his cap hit, and the fact in toews worst year he was still only 3 points behind scheifele's break out year. While toews was taking 1:40 in PK time while scheifele taking only 24 seconds a game. Toews at 2:45 PP time per game while scheifele had 3:05.
Nevermind the fact Toews has been the best faceoff man in the NHL, has proven he can show up in the playoffs, can put a team on his back in the playoffs, has captained by example through 3 cups, and has had nearly .9 PPG as a defensive minded center playing at very least 50 seconds of PK per game each season since he was in the NHL (that was in 08/09 btw)
The peg can keep their overrated second line center.
I'll keep toews, his cap hit, and the fact in toews worst year he was still only 3 points behind scheifele's break out year. While toews was taking 1:40 in PK time while scheifele taking only 24 seconds a game. Toews at 2:45 PP time per game while scheifele had 3:05.
Nevermind the fact Toews has been the best faceoff man in the NHL, has proven he can show up in the playoffs, can put a team on his back in the playoffs, has captained by example through 3 cups, and has had nearly .9 PPG as a defensive minded center playing at very least 50 seconds of PK per game each season since he was in the NHL (that was in 08/09 btw)
The peg can keep their overrated second line center.
Did Bryan Little retire?
Nope. Scheifele and Little together cost about the same as Toews. The Hawks are built around a few core olayers. The Jets are being built around a deeper line-up that isn't as top-heavy. The Hawks model has worked in Chicago, but might not fit with the Jets overall roster composition.
Hurricane Hugo
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thedoughboy
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Except that toews had harder competition, played the PK a hell of a lot more, actually won face offs, was a #1 center throughout his career (which scheifele never has) , is defensively responsible at even strength, has produced in the playoffs since he was a rookie, has carried a team through the playoffs in a couple seasons, can be and has been counted on to be the best player on the ice on a multitude of occasions, has won at literally every level he has ever played at... has won a major award ( a smythe when he was younger than schielfe is)... Oh I got off track they were related somehow? Comparing Toews worst seasons since he was a rookie vs. schiefeles best which he could never repeat since he may actually have to play first line minutes.
Little is the Jets center that faces the opposing teams best lines, Scheifele is 2nd.
Toews is 2nd among centers that face the toughest competition (in the entire league) and perform well against them (2nd only to Bergeron, Bergeron is #1 by a pretty big margin tho).
I didn't say anything about Laine. Or are you one of those types that likes to generalize? Like I have to take ownership of anything ever said by anyone from Winnipeg. Lol.
You said Scheif couldn't carry Toews jockstrap, and then when confronted with facts to the contrary you resort to hyperbole. Good talk.
thedoughboy
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Schief is in no way shape or form a better player when you factor in more than last season, or last season a lone. Factor in how much more PK time, less PP time they played in respect to each other and you can come up with the 3 point difference.
I can understand if you want to say you'd rather have Schifele, but saying he is comparable for anything other than toews worst season, and schifeles best is plain wrong.
Does trajectory mean anything though? You say his last season was his best like it's a bad thing. He's 23.
thedoughboy
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When toews was 23 he had aleady won a stanley cup, a conn smythe, a gold medal, awarded the title of best forward at the olympics, 3 NHL all star teams, a U17 gold, 2 world junior golds, a world championship gold, had 324 points in 369 games, was a runner up in selke voting, another top 5 finish for the selke, finalist for the calder, and was captain of his team.
If either is more likely to have a better year than last, it's toews considering he isn't seen as a purely point producing forward and has actually produced at a high level consistently.
Anyone who watched Sheifele at the tail end of last year sees what he's capable of. He was the highest rising player last year, in my mind. He could be PPG this year and I wouldn't be surprised, I would be surprised if Toews did - but, Toews isn't just point totals.
EDIT: Unless Toews centered Kane and Panarin, would not be surprising at all, but I don't think that's the route Q will take.
EDIT: Unless Toews centered Kane and Panarin, would not be surprising at all, but I don't think that's the route Q will take.
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Hah this thread was meant to be a tire fire from the beginning. No one is saying that scheifele will have a better career or will be better next season even. It's going forward. As in season 3-5 from now. When scheif is in his prime and toews is starting to decline. I guess no one would trade Crosby for mcdavid
No executive GMs 3 to 5 years from now. Have time machines been invented this summer? Scheifele isn't Mcdavid. people are nuts. MS doesn't get you Toews period. Nothing surprises me anymore
thedoughboy
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Discluding McDavid, Eichel Panarin, Kuznetzov, Kucherov, Drouin (including playoffs), Barkov (2 less points, 5 less games, more responsible 2 way player) maybe you are right.
Neither will be PPG players, they will probably both have point totals going up, and toews will still be the far superior player on the entirety of a sheet of ice in every regard except points because he plays the PK too much.
GoJetsGo55
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Not a chance I trade our golden boy.
Toews is great but we've got a dude who's much cheaper, has one of the best winning attitudes I have ever seen, and is on a skyward trajectory.
Could he flop? Sure.
I am willing to take that risk.
Toews is great but we've got a dude who's much cheaper, has one of the best winning attitudes I have ever seen, and is on a skyward trajectory.
Could he flop? Sure.
I am willing to take that risk.
thedoughboy
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Except for the fact as rookies mcdavid has all the promise crosby did, mcdavid has actually performed as an 18 year old rookie, and the two actually are on the same level of play.
CorgisPer60
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God damnit, TC. Why couldn't you have just left this topic on HF Jets? We're all happy with Scheifele there, and for reasons due to age and trajectory of the club, would rather have him than Toews despite Toews being a better player.
GoJetsGo55
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So a late bloomer = can never be elite?
He's not even a late bloomer. Kids only 23.
Toews hit the league hard when he started. He's a beast.
That doesn't mean that everyone's career needs to follow the exact same path.
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copernicanrevolution
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Already discussed on the Jets board. It makes no sense for either team. If the Jets were trying to win right now obviously they take Toews, but their window won't be open for another 3-5 years. In 3-5 years I'd probably rather have Scheifele than Toews, but Chicago's window isn't 3-5 years away.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
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weve seen similar trades in history but they almost always involve guys who NEED a change of scenery. moves like this can easily get everyone fired if they go sideways.
value wise? to me toews has much more value on the ice and as a marketing tool... but that contract is very tough pill to swallow. it feels about right as value if chicago was actually going to trade toews.
cant really seriously consider it though under current conditions in chicago
value wise? to me toews has much more value on the ice and as a marketing tool... but that contract is very tough pill to swallow. it feels about right as value if chicago was actually going to trade toews.
cant really seriously consider it though under current conditions in chicago
