Due to contract alone I'd expect every team aside from Chicago to choose Scheifle. He seems like a great young player with plenty of potential himself and a much better contract situation.
Proposal: Scheifele for Toews?
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Due to contract alone I'd expect every team aside from Chicago to choose Scheifle. He seems like a great young player with plenty of potential himself and a much better contract situation.
Andreas Ferrari
Dale is the GOAT!!!
CorgisPer60
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Jets fans are approaching an interesting level of arrogance and obnoxiousness for a team that just picked 2nd overall...
Andreas Ferrari
Dale is the GOAT!!!
When Laine,Connor,Elhers,Roslovic,Stanley,etc are in their prime Toews will be checking out retirement communities in Florida.
If Toews was 20 I'd give Scheifele and our next 5 unprotected 1st in a heartbeat.
Imagine Toews on a float at Portage and Main holding the Cup above his head.I wouldn't care if we never won the Cup again.
CorgisPer60
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And what do you think in this topic even belies arrogance or obnoxiousness? That some fans are arguing that Toews and Scheifele are closer in effectiveness than people believe? That somone decided to make a hypothetical topic? The topic was a hypothetical born from casual Jets discussion that was unfortunately carried over to the main board. Nearly every Jets fan doesn't want to give up Scheifele because his age fits the team better. There is no question that Toews is better than Fefe, but the age and cap hit are counter-intuitive to what the Jets are trying to accomplish. 28 isn't that old, but he's going to start declining soon. The Jets want to be on an upward arc at that time.
Also, Jets got the 2nd overall pick by way of lottery, so while the Jets were crappy this year, they weren't 29th in the league crappy.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
At 4,375,000.00 cheap I am sure you could upgrade your D and be a better team . Toews is great but he is not worth another C that is producing at the same rate and a top 4 D that could be signed using the almost 4 and a 1/2 million dollars in saving .
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
Comparing Toews worst season and Souffle's best and saying they are comparable players for one.
Base on cap hit and the age of Winnipegs core I would agree . I bet you not one Jet fan would say this if they were the same age and cap hit . Chicago knows better then any team about cap problems . How many good players have they lost do to cap space ? Their system will run dry sooner or later and then they are screwed .
As for the question whats in the water in Winnipeg I say it more in the air and the Jets fans are airing logical opinions . They best player always does not = the best option to a team . Winnipeg being the smallest market in the NHL needs to build their team thru the draft and make a trade when they are 1 or 2 pieces away from winning a cup . They aren't there yet but they probably got the deepest pool of prospects in the NHL .
For the record I am not a Jets fan in the lease but i get tired of how people knock other fan bases for a statement that goes deeper then just the players involve . Jets fans know their situation better then any other fans and if they say the value Laine over OV there a reason because everyone knows OV is the better player right now . Fans of other teams need to understand where Jets fans are coming from and not mock their statements
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CorgisPer60
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Yes, one season doesn't carry a trend, and I myself remain skeptical that Scheifele can continue the way he exploded in the final 25 games of last season. He rode an almost 20% SH% in that time frame, so I'm not expecting that level of production out of him all season. However, he did take over the 1C duties when Little went down in early Feb of last season, returing the Jets to what we effectively enjoyed for the first 3 years - a first line, 2 3rds, and a 4th. He also crushed those assignments by being a defensively responsible center that could handle playing against the top lines of the league. We are excited for that Scheifele, and want to see him continue doing that.
Also, while Toews is still a _really_ good center, it's not farfetched to think that we may be seeing him begin the downward slide of his effectiveness. He's played a lot of hockey over the last 5 years, and they can't all be Hossa or Jagr.
I'd like to know where this idea that Jets fans consider Laine better than Ovechkin came from. You guys took the arguments in the Laine thread where Laine out-produced Ovechkin in pre-draft years and decided to boil it down to Laine > Ovechkin, didn't you? The most disingenuous of all conclusions to take from that thread. It's not even Jets fans doing the arguing there, but Finnish fans who were fending off the constant assault on Laine's skill by Leafs fans who couldn't handle Laine being considered as good as Auston Matthews by more than a few people.
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This is the second time the Leafs have been brought up in a thread that has nothing to do with them.
FYI, It was Matthews being constantly targeted because certain people couldn't handle that Laine wasn't the BPA. Inform yourself next time.
Oh, and Chicago declines, pretty easily.
CorgisPer60
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1: Yes, which is exactly why a bunch of Laine fans went over to the Matthews thread to bicker and argue about it. Oh, wait.
2: I'm sure they do. So does Winnipeg. This thread should have never been made.
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If arrogance and obnoxiousness means not showing interest to trading the most important and the most untouchable pieces from your organization for whatever crap gets offered (or, in this case, a superior player who doesn't fit the direction we are going), then you're right.
But I guess it's better be arrogant and obnoxious than not consider both teams' needs and then blaming the fans for not co-operating.
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Bingo.
Toews was night and day better at Scheifele's age now. Toews is better now, though statistically the gap may be close from here on out, we will see. But, in 3-4-5 years? good chance Scheifele is the superior player and that is what a deal like this comes down to for Winnipeg.
Ideally for Winnipeg and in terms of their trajectory as an organization, they should be contending/winning a Stanley Cup within 3-4 years (and if they aren't then this core they have now won't be getting the job done).
This deal makes zero sense for either organization, no sense getting in a pissing match over it.
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lol at jets fans suggesting schiefele has a higher trade value.
this is toews we are talking about. a lock for canada, one of the best 2 way centers in the league, 3 rings etc. he is 28 as well, not like he is 33. schiefele isnt even close to toews. this is equal to a leafs fan saying he wouldnt move rielly for doughty. get real
this is toews we are talking about. a lock for canada, one of the best 2 way centers in the league, 3 rings etc. he is 28 as well, not like he is 33. schiefele isnt even close to toews. this is equal to a leafs fan saying he wouldnt move rielly for doughty. get real
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GoJetsGo55
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Hawks would murder Jets in this trade.
You can't just say one player is better than the other and pretend they are the same age.
You can't just say one player is better than the other and pretend they are the same age.
Please show me the resource you used where they show the metric that Scheifele has comparable intangibles to Toews. I'll wait...
Romang67
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Contracts are important but man...
Laine- Toews - Wheeler
Winnipeg structure your cap.
Toews + Kempney = 11.3 on cap
What's Enstrom + Schief = ??????
Laine- Toews - Wheeler
Winnipeg structure your cap.
Toews + Kempney = 11.3 on cap
What's Enstrom + Schief = ??????
AvsGuy
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Interesting trade idea. It's the kind of Subban-for-Weber trade that never happens, except those happen now.
Scheifle would be hard to give up for Winnipeg, but you'd have to think with all things considered that Toews would be hard to pass up on.
Scheifle would be hard to give up for Winnipeg, but you'd have to think with all things considered that Toews would be hard to pass up on.
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