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Proposal: Scheifele for Toews?

Without going back through all 10 pages, are Jets fans really rating Scheifele higher than Toews right now?

Toews is much better right now.

That being said, Winnipeg would be silly to trade Scheifele for Toews, due to the age disparity.

It would be as insane as trading Subban for Weber.
 
RebelBully said:
Without going back through all 10 pages, are Jets fans really rating Scheifele higher than Toews right now?
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No they aren't , they are stating it makes no sense for the Jets to trade for Toews at this point in his career and the teams evolution
 
Hunter368 said:
No they aren't , they are stating it makes no sense for the Jets to trade for Toews at this point in his career and the teams evolution
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That I agree with. However, from quick glances through, there are a few posts claiming Scheifele is a better player or on par.

This just 15 months or so after Toews had a 10 goal, 21 point playoff run and won his 3rd Cup while Scheifele recorded 1 assist while getting swept in 4 games.

Let's keep some perspective. Playoffs DO matter. So does being proven.
 
Hunter368 said:
Why would the Jets want Toews at this point in his career and at this stage in the teams evolution?

No sense from Jets POV, this doesn't mean Toews isn't a great player just a bad fit for us at this time.
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I can see why the Jets may want the younger and cheaper Scheifele...that makes sense.

To say you don't want Toews, that is silly.
 
Hawkaholic said:
I can see why the Jets may want the younger and cheaper Scheifele...that makes sense.

To say you don't want Toews, that is silly.
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Love to have Toews if he was 5 years younger and about 4 million dollars per year cheaper. As it is now, he's a better fit on a team like the Hawks who are in a win now mode before their current window closes
 
Hunter368 said:
Love to have Toews if he was 5 years younger and about 4 million dollars per year cheaper. As it is now, he's a better fit on a team like the Hawks who are in a win now mode before their current window closes
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I think the posters point is the Jets would take Toews if he was offered.

28 and 10.5m doesnt stop you from taking one of the most complete winners in the league
 
Group Chat Legend said:
I think the posters point is the Jets would take Toews if he was offered.

28 and 10.5m doesnt stop you from taking one of the most complete winners in the league
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Easy to say, but in a salary cap Era much harder to do. 10.5 mil cap hit till he's 35-36 old? Pass


He's good now yes, but when he hits that magic 30 range the last 4-5 years of his contract he won't be worth his cap hit. No thx
 
Lol this is why i have a tough time looking at proposals on Hfboards. Winnipeg gets the hometown boy, a superior hockey player in every sense of the word all the while Chicago gets worse. No way are the Blackhawks as good with Schiefele in their line-up. It's really that simple.
 
Hunter368 said:
Easy to say, but in a salary cap Era much harder to do. 10.5 mil cap hit till he's 35-36 old? Pass


He's good now yes, but when he hits that magic 30 range the last 4-5 years of his contract he won't be worth his cap hit. No thx
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Just the bonus money still due Toews alone nearly equals Scheifele's entire salary over the same period.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jonathan-toews

LOL

Jets say thanks, but no thanks!
 
Hunter368 said:
Love to have Toews if he was 5 years younger and about 4 million dollars per year cheaper. As it is now, he's a better fit on a team like the Hawks who are in a win now mode before their current window closes
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Yet your team just signed an older Byfuglein to a 7.6mil contract.

If Toews became a UFA next year, Winnipeg would be at it's knees wanting to sign him to a contract that is similar or even more than he is currently making. No one will convince me otherwise.
 
Hawkaholic said:
Yet your team just signed an older Byfuglein to a 7.6mil contract.

If Toews became a UFA next year, Winnipeg would be at it's knees wanting to sign him to a contract that is similar or even more than he is currently making. No one will convince me otherwise.
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Of course we want Toews. Don't let 1 poster make you think otherwise.

There are a thousand reasons to trade for Toews.

There are also a thousand reasons that we want to keep Scheifele.

Playing the cap smart, for example, is a great reason why we would want to keep Scheifele. Look at the cap space issues that Chicago has. Now add the fact that they have one of the best d-men in the league playing for about 1/2 of what he should be making. We don't get that luxury.

Trouba, Ehlers, Laine, Connor, and Hellebuyck are going to get PAID should they pan out. Now. Do we want Toews and trade one of them, or do we want Scheif and have a really good chance at keeping them all. I value depth.

Speaking of which, how the hell are you guys supposed to keep Panarin?
 
GoJetsGo55 said:
Of course we want Toews. Don't let 1 poster make you think otherwise.

There are a thousand reasons to trade for Toews.

There are also a thousand reasons that we want to keep Scheifele.

Playing the cap smart, for example, is a great reason why we would want to keep Scheifele. Look at the cap space issues that Chicago has. Now add the fact that they have one of the best d-men in the league playing for about 1/2 of what he should be making. We don't get that luxury.

Trouba, Ehlers, Laine, Connor, and Hellebuyck are going to get PAID should they pan out. Now. Do we want Toews and trade one of them, or do we want Scheif and have a really good chance at keeping them all. I value depth.

Speaking of which, how the hell are you guys supposed to keep Panarin?
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I get that, I only have an issue with the guys saying "we don't want Toews". I'm not arguing the Scheifele for Toews trade argument.

As for Panarin, depends how much he wants. If he wants under 7mil, it's fairly easy to make work.
 
Hawkaholic said:
I get that, I only have an issue with the guys saying "we don't want Toews". I'm not arguing the Scheifele for Toews trade argument.

As for Panarin, depends how much he wants. If he wants under 7mil, it's fairly easy to make work.
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Ah. Sounds like we are on the same page.


Hmmm.......


Well. What do we do now?






Wanna....wanna hate on the Leafs?
 
Pretty sure Toews contract is partially because 3 Cups... Yes, sometimes players are paid for past accomplishments to offset winning while being on bargain contracts.
 
Xspyrit said:
Pretty sure Toews contract is partially because 3 Cups... Yes, sometimes players are paid for past accomplishments to offset winning while being on bargain contracts.
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I get the idea you're going for but if payers were paid based on passed accomplishments, Jagr would be getting a max contract right now. :laugh:
 
Players are most definitely paid on past accomplishments. They don't get those contracts if they didn't play well before they signed the contract. Jagr being over 40 and not as good as he once was is the reason he isn't one of the higher paid athletes in the game.
 
Hawkaholic said:
Players are most definitely paid on past accomplishments. They don't get those contracts if they didn't play well before they signed the contract. Jagr being over 40 and not as good as he once was is the reason he isn't one of the higher paid athletes in the game.
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No I get that but he said:

"Yes, sometimes players are paid for past accomplishments to offset winning while being on bargain contracts."

Which makes zero sense to me.

"Hey you're a $4mil player now but you were underpaid previously so we will give you 7!"
 
GoJetsGo55 said:
No I get that but he said:

"Yes, sometimes players are paid for past accomplishments to offset winning while being on bargain contracts."

Which makes zero sense to me.

"Hey you're a $4mil player now but you were underpaid previously so we will give you 7!"
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Of course, the first requirement would have to be on the same team you won with, which Toews did 3 thrice

Good job on the deduction!

Chicago is a modern dynasty. You don't play hardball with players that helped you win 3 Cups in 6 years. You reward them with a big contract and that is why Kane and Toews got paid, regarding future "production". Of course, it means they have faith that they can help them win again.
 
pensandcaps said:
Easy pass from WPG. cheaper, younger and schifele is producing just as much as toews, whos contract is bad.
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you cannot try and validate Toews without at least pointing out how is one of the best two way centers in the game.

I get why both teams would say no to this.
 
this is absolutely crazy. I like Scheifele. took him in a pool last year. Toews has a Mr T starter kit of gold medals and Stanley Cup rings. come on training camp its getting stupid out here
 
I always nought Toews was over rated blah blah blah leadership, if he was on EDM all these years he would not be so highly thought of
 
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