Proposal: Scheifele for Toews?
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JetsHomer
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3 more points in 9 less games facing the same compitition with similar defensive numbers would disagree. Why do you think it's unlikely that Scheifele will hit 60+ points or 30+goals again when he scored 29 goals and 61 points in 71 games as a 23 year old?
I watch Scheifele and I see a highly skilled big two-way centre with an amazing shot. What don't you like about his game if I may ask?
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Except everyone who watched Chicago every game knew Toews was Chicagos best player during that run. He had almost as many points as Kane, but PKed, played the tougher competition, and was a huge reason why we won. LOL @ he was carried by vets!! LOL
Everyone knows Toews is one of the best defensive players in the league, that's why he goes up against the best from the other teams, and that's why he does it in the Olympics as well.
Numbers don't always tell the story, I bet even Scheifele would say he isn't as good as Toews.
And I never said I don't like his game, he's just not as good as Toews.
oilerbear
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Those crediting the likes of towers and kane for all the cup wins.
Just list the core players that were plus players in all three cup wins that Talon got.
Hjarlmasson
Sharp
Hossa
Keith
Bickell last 2 full
Plus in 2 cup runs
Seabrook
Toews
Kane
Versteeg
Rosival
Just list the core players that were plus players in all three cup wins that Talon got.
Hjarlmasson
Sharp
Hossa
Keith
Bickell last 2 full
Plus in 2 cup runs
Seabrook
Toews
Kane
Versteeg
Rosival
oilerbear
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As the guy who came up with high scoring chance areas.
I Recognized the fact 75% of goals come from that area.
By watching the flin flon bombers of Clarke, leach, stoughton.
Looked at shot charts of players on the ice.
Show me your shot chart that suggests toews prevented the elite scoring even.
It does not exist.
The conn smythe that year was Hjarlmasson.
Was not even close.
Toews is one of the best PvP c in the game right now.
Schiefle is a much cheaper hit.
GE choice comes down to cap hit for elite play.
And I think he will be better.
But one season gets you nothing. Just like Panarin - both look amazing, but both need to play this coming season and continue their strong play. That is how you put yourself next to the other guys.
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You're actually going to tell me if you could add either Toews or McDavid to the Devils you'd choose Toews?
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Wow. I mean its not like McDavid has the potential to be better than Toews. He's already much much better.
Hawkaholic
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I have no idea what you are talking about in this post.
But if the bolded is your conclusion, it was nice talking to ya.
GoJetsGo55
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Maybe so, but one good season gets you nothing. If he comes back and does well, then maybe.
There are too many examples of one trick ponies in sports history. I am sure McDavid will be a great, but until he PROVES it for more than one season, im taking the proven winner.
Sheesh
No i would take McDavid based on age and the Devils situation.
If it is a fresh team I am taking Toews, McDavid has Played one season , that isnt enough for me to pick him before Toews. Same with Panarin.
As soon as halfway through his year he can change my mind, but so many people just think potential is a given. Daigle amongst others have shown that sometimes things just dont work out.
as I said before i am sure McDavid will be amazing - but if the team is in my hands (not NJ) and im starting a squad I am taking Toews as of today.
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Jets fans...sorry but you're honoring yourself.
It would take a huge package from the jets to get Toews. One season of not going to the finals doesn't change that.
I'm not ******** in Schiefele, but he has not had the level of achievement Toews has. Sure maybe he could, but he hasn't.
When jets make some noise in the playoffs then you can talk about stealing the leagues most complete player. And I am in no way a Toews or Hawks fan.
It would take a huge package from the jets to get Toews. One season of not going to the finals doesn't change that.
I'm not ******** in Schiefele, but he has not had the level of achievement Toews has. Sure maybe he could, but he hasn't.
When jets make some noise in the playoffs then you can talk about stealing the leagues most complete player. And I am in no way a Toews or Hawks fan.
Lmao
You might be the only person with at least some sort of hockey knowledge who would take JT over McDavid
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Uh, Scheifele hasn't had the level of achievement relative to Toews because Scheifele just completed his third year in the league while Toews has played nine full seasons; that is hardly an apt comparison.
Additionally, Scheifele played on a team that was transitioning its roster, rebuilding essentially, while Toews conversely played on a stacked team and with complementary line-mates. In his first-year Scheifele played #3C, in his second and over most of his third-year he played #2C, and he graduated to #1C over the final 1/3 of that third season. After taking over at #1C, all he did was lead the league in scoring from that point. Despite playing alongside a weaker cast, his output and play was arguably equal to Toews' last season.
To your last comment, when the Jets are finally competitive in the playoffs and when Scheifele is playing with a comparative cast, they will likely have little interest in Toews - given that he has already played 645 regular season games and in another 124 playoff games. Those playoff games are hard driven miles that will soon show up on his chassis. FYI, Jets fans aren't interested in a comparison of the past accomplishments of our newer model vehicle versus an older model that will soon be showing its age. Our newer model car is also leased for another 8 years and is just now having its motor broken in.
I wouldn't trade Scheifele for Toews today, given that Scheif fits perfectly into the young roster the Jets are constructing and that Toews is getting on in years now. Not saying Scheifele is the superior player today, but he is a better fit for this franchise today.
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Why would you take Toews? He is 28 while McDavid is 19. McDavid is a 1st overall pick with so much hype and had over a point per game right out of the draft. Taking Toews on a brand new team is not smart that team will need many drafts before they are good enough to be a contending team and Toews will be in his mid 30's by then while McDavid will be in his mid 20's. McDavid > Toews. I would hate to have you as my GM of a brand new team.
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Yeah why would Winnipeg want a proven winner, they would rather have the best prospect pool every year.
Well I mean its a fantasy idea about picking a team. If im taking Toews at 28 then I assume I can take others as well.
Maybe id get both
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Don't know what you've been reading but they aren't offering Scheifele for Toews, they don't want to do that trade which makes sense.
Try to make a case why this trade makes sense for Winnipeg.
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Why would the Jets want Toews at this point in his career and at this stage in the teams evolution?
No sense from Jets POV, this doesn't mean Toews isn't a great player just a bad fit for us at this time.
