Proposal: Scheifele for Toews?

[McSuper]

lol this is too funny Shef isn't that good.

Add Trouba and Chicago thinks about it.

Sorry buddy scoring a bunch of points at the end of the year when your team is crap , frankly don't mean crap.
See Joe Colborne

You lose all credibility with that statement . Joe Colborne does nothing to proving a point . As for the not that good part try watching him play . Not one Jets fan has said he is better then Toews . The Jets fans are only saying they would not trade for for Toews base on age and cap hit . Would you trade Matthews for a better C today that does not fit your rebuild and pay him much more money ? Maybe you would trade Matthews for Toews ? Hey the same logic can be used if you say no that you are using against the Jets fans . Then your last point TML are not good right now , using your words of crap Matthews coming in and score a bunch of points over 25 game won't mean crap to you ? I guarantee he will be praised as the 2nd coming .

 

[DontToewzMeBro]

Some serious underrating for Scheifele here... Have any of you seen this kids snap shot? Absolutely ridiculous, could be top 10 in the league, and he scored at a 70 point pace last year. Scheifele over Toews no matter the situation IMO. This is also coming from a Habs fan who is very high on Toews and i'm expecting a big bounce back year.

And enough with the cup ring stuff... Seriously there are over 20 players on every team lol

Seriously, he has won everything, and has been named best forward and scored in both gold medal games for team Canada. Scored 3 shootout goals in a row to win a WJC gold, and has a Conn Smythe to go with one of his rings. Has. A Selke trophy award. Those are individual awards and are substantial/

 

[varano]

I never do that if I'm the Jets. Ever.

Toews contract is an albatross in comparison to what he provides.

Schieffle is a Beauty. I can't wait to see what he does in the next few years.

 

[varano]

Some serious underrating for Scheifele here... Have any of you seen this kids snap shot? Absolutely ridiculous, could be top 10 in the league, and he scored at a 70 point pace last year. Scheifele over Toews no matter the situation IMO. This is also coming from a Habs fan who is very high on Toews and i'm expecting a big bounce back year.

And enough with the cup ring stuff... Seriously there are over 20 players on every team lol

He plays for the Jets ergo no one watches him.
Therefore by HF standards he's a fourth line scrub.

Didn't you know?

Also, if you don't have a buzzword name like Kane, Toews, or Crosby, You're crap.

 

[howkie]

Sorry buddy scoring a bunch of points at the end of the year when your team is crap , frankly don't mean crap.
See Joe Colborne

A third for Chucky then? Mean he is crap cuz he started score when the season was over for Habs.

Nice making deal with you

 

[Sasso09]

I wouldn't trade Scheif for Monahan MacKinnon or Draisaitl (not even close for Drai). No chance I would trade him for Toews either.

The rest I agree with.

Scheifele has become one of the most overrated guys on HF

Monahan and MacK are well ahead of him. Hell I'd still take SC over him.

 

[Andyber118]

Mark Scheifele is and will be a great player but there's more than the points...Toews is the best leader in the NHL, his presence make his team the best...Chicago will never do this trade right now...maybe in 2 or 3 years

 

[hawksrule]

Scheifele is very good, but the Hawks have no reason to trade their three time cup winning captain.

 

[untouchable21]

WOW!!!!! So many sensitive posters in here. Nobody's saying Toews is a BAD player. Value wise for cap hit this is NOT a trade the Jets make. Hell, unless you're a top 5 or so contender believing you're a Toews away from winning it all you don't touch this trade.

This is all coming from a HUGE Toews fan. It is in no way shape or form any disrespect to Toews the player. No need for anyone getting a bug up their butts over it.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!

 

[mpp9]

Mark Scheifele is and will be a great player but there's more than the points...Toews is the best leader in the NHL, his presence make his team the best...Chicago will never do this trade right now...maybe in 2 or 3 years

What does it even mean to be the best leader?

He was flanked by all star talent for years. Now he has to elevate those around him and he put up **** numbers for a guy making 10.5 mil.

You think if you swapped Toews for Crosby, Chicago wouldn't win 3 cups?

 

[Hunter368]

WOW!!!!! So many sensitive posters in here. Nobody's saying Toews is a BAD player. Value wise for cap hit this is NOT a trade the Jets make. Hell, unless you're a top 5 or so contender believing you're a Toews away from winning it all you don't touch this trade.

This is all coming from a HUGE Toews fan. It is in no way shape or form any disrespect to Toews the player. No need for anyone getting a bug up their butts over it.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!

Correct. Neither team would do the trade. Both guys are better suited on their own teams now. Hawks are in a win now mode and Jets will be in the win now mode in a few years.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Scheifele has become one of the most overrated guys on HF

Monahan and MacK are well ahead of him. Hell I'd still take SC over him.

15/16 season P/60
Scheifele - 2.78
Monahan - 2.44
MacKinnon - 2.30
Toews - 2.24
Couturier - 2.00

Scoring may not be everything, however, when looking at scoring, it would appear that Scheifele made better use of his ice time this past season versus other players under discussion in this thread.

The Jets will happily keep their burgeoning #1C for the next 8 seasons.

 

[kylbaz]

15/16 season P/60
Scheifele - 2.78
Monahan - 2.44
MacKinnon - 2.30
Toews - 2.24
Couturier - 2.00

Scoring may not be everything, however, when looking at scoring, it would appear that Scheifele made better use of his ice time this past season versus other players under discussion in this thread.

The Jets will happily keep their burgeoning #1C for the next 8 seasons.

Some people here are so clueless on players, they should just not post.

Point per game player last 2/3 of the season find me three players who performed better, you can't.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Yes, one season doesn't carry a trend, and I myself remain skeptical that Scheifele can continue the way he exploded in the final 25 games of last season. He rode an almost 20% SH% in that time frame, so I'm not expecting that level of production out of him all season. However, he did take over the 1C duties when Little went down in early Feb of last season, returing the Jets to what we effectively enjoyed for the first 3 years - a first line, 2 3rds, and a 4th. He also crushed those assignments by being a defensively responsible center that could handle playing against the top lines of the league. We are excited for that Scheifele, and want to see him continue doing that.

Also, while Toews is still a _really_ good center, it's not farfetched to think that we may be seeing him begin the downward slide of his effectiveness. He's played a lot of hockey over the last 5 years, and they can't all be Hossa or Jagr.

It's possible he'll slow down, but I mean he's still 3 years younger than Bergeron. I think we've got quite awhile until that happens.

I was just pointing out that there are some pretty bad errors made in this thread. Jet's fans should be thrilled to the max with Shief's development and desire to sign long term. Just some of them need to simmer down about crazy comparisons, that's all i'm saying.

 

[lomiller1]

Point per game player last 2/3 of the season find me three players who performed better, you can't.

There was a little puck luck there though, (same with Monahan) he probably doesn't keep that up for a full season. 70-75 points is more reasonable IMO. If Laine lights it up the story could be different.

 

[Sasso09]

15/16 season P/60
Scheifele - 2.78
Monahan - 2.44
MacKinnon - 2.30
Toews - 2.24
Couturier - 2.00

Scoring may not be everything, however, when looking at scoring, it would appear that Scheifele made better use of his ice time this past season versus other players under discussion in this thread.

The Jets will happily keep their burgeoning #1C for the next 8 seasons.

And everyone of those players but Mackinnon bring a better defensive and special teams game.

 

[Gump Hasek]

And everyone of those players but Mackinnon bring a better defensive and special teams game.

Yet Schefiele scored at a more-efficient rate last season versus all of them, as stated.

His scoring rate actually improved when promoted to the top-line over the final 25 games of the season - despite that he was facing more difficult assignments in that role.

His defensive game is just fine actually, and is constantly evolving. His powerplay numbers are also bound to improve this season given that he is likely to play alongside Laine (known for racking up pp numbers in Europe).

 

[Grind]

Besides colorado has already 2 star centers that are better than Scheifele so acquiring him would be meaningless

??? This had nothing to do with acquiring scheifele.


I was attempting to relate the jets situation and why they wouldn't do that trade to fans of other teams.

It's been said and illustrated enough that it doesn't need to be repeating I guess.

Everyone knows towes is a better player and no one expects scheifele to ever be as good as towes was for the past 5 years.

The concern is we do expect scheifele to be close to a comparable player to towes in three years (meaning 26 year old scheifele may be very close in effectiveness to 31 year old towes)

 

[Esq]

Cool story, except that they were comparable by almost any conceivable metric last season.

Only on HF

 

[Stej]

Only on HF

Thanks for contributing!!

 

[JetsHomer]

And everyone of those players but Mackinnon bring a better defensive and special teams game.

You think Monahan is better defensively than Scheifele? Hahahaha

It's weird how Couturier has this reputation of being better when Scheifele plays nearly the same quality minutes but does far far better offensively in those minutes (Scheif has 18 more goals and 21 more points in only 8 more games)

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

You think Monahan is better defensively than Scheifele? Hahahaha

It's weird how Couturier has this reputation of being better when Scheifele plays nearly the same quality minutes but does far far better offensively in those minutes (Scheif has 18 more goals and 21 more points in only 8 more games)

Maybe thats because Couturier is used in a more defensive role?

 

[JetsHomer]

Maybe thats because Couturier is used in a more defensive role?

But he's not though? Scheifele faced tough comp and was used against other teams top lines through most of the season. The numbers say Couts faced slightly harder minutes (in terms of zone starts) but did significantly worse during those minutes offensively

 

[lomiller1]

And everyone of those players but Mackinnon bring a better defensive and special teams game.

Only one player on that list (Couturier) had better 5v5 shot suppression numbers (Rel CA/60) than Scheifele last year.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Scheifele was the better player during the 2015/2016 season

LOL, what? So Scheifele was as good defensively as Toews was? Because he scored a whole whopping 3pts more than Toews, so I wouldn't consider his offense to be better. Even is more like it.

Scheifele wasn't as good as Toews was last year, in Toews worst season as a pro. What a crock.