Proposal: Scheifele for Toews?
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Cotton
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Oh wait what? That is exactly what happened. Are you so lazy that you chose to make an argument without even fact checking?
WPGS would kill to have a Toews, there is no way they would decline.
This trade doesn't work right now but I have a feeling that both Toews and the Hawks are going to live to regret that 10.5 contract before its over.
You haven't been reading this thread at all have you? Toews doesn't fit our timeline, his cap hit is too high, his age might lead him into decline by the time we are ready to contend.. Scheifele fits this team to a tee. It's not just about who's accomplished what, that's in the past. We're debating on whether this move would make us better in the long run and that's just not the case as we see it.
It was a discussion born from a guy and his friend who barely even post on this site and does not in any way shape or form reflect some growing need or desire for Jet fans to try and compare Scheifele to today's top players.
I'll give my 2 cents.
As a fan of neither team, i'll give my unbiased opinion.
Toews has a knack for game breaking ability. Something I've only seen in a handful of players. I've seen Toews take over a period/game and completely change the tempo. Keep in mind I've seen this against the Canucks quite often but I'll give you a few examples.
In VAN 2011 cup run when we were up 3-1 on CHI, it was pretty much a done deal/series. Toews went full ham, and clutched the next 3 games and literally set up Sharp with a glorious chance to end the series. I've seen him do this multiple times. I recall him taking over in the OT game against ANA in the playoffs this year and scoring the eventual GWG (CHI fans prob have a lot more examples).
As for Scheifele I don't see a young Toews. I see a very good top Center in the league who is going to put up more points than Toews IMO, but I have yet to see that game-breaking ability that comes from playing and leading your team in the playoffs year in-out. Scheifele albeit is young and has not had a chance to prove his worth in the playoffs. I just have a hard time seeing him being as effective against the top of the top competition that comes from a 7-game series. Facing the same teams #1 Defensive unit will grind a player down, I've seen Toews rise to the occasion, I've also seen him fall, and fall hard, but the ups outweigh the downs. (3 cup rings baby)
tl;dr; I wouldn't trade Toews for Scheifele straight up at the moment (in a couple years, yes I would).
Thank you for a well thought out post. If I take my homer glasses off I think I come to the same conclusion.
FWIW this thread is a summertime thought exercise. Right up there with the discussions about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
And as I Jets fan I 86 the trade proposal. Hope for the future I say.
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AvsGuy
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The recent signing of Scheifle for 8 years is primarily the thing that makes it dumb. Otherwise, it's an interesting trade from a value perspective. It's like the Iginla-Nieuwendyk trade but 3 years too late for anyone to agree to making it.
Winnipeg would go nuts for a prime Toews on their roster though, he'd be the best player on the ice since they moved back and he's a hometown boy.
I'm sure that contract was partly for past achievements as well as his future value. His type of player also ages well so I dunno. He may never been the near PPG forward with amazing defence but he will always be an amazing two way guy who really helps his team will
Legend123
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Teows has WAY more value in the eyes of every single GM in the NHL. Maybe not for jet fans...
Either way, since the jets are like 3 years away from doing any damage, trading away scheifele is the foulest thing the jets can do, other than trading away laine.
Either way, since the jets are like 3 years away from doing any damage, trading away scheifele is the foulest thing the jets can do, other than trading away laine.
Andreas Ferrari
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Did you watch the Gold medal game at the WC.Many scouts/GM's said Scheifele was simply the best player on the ice.He completely shut down the Laine line and led Canada to Gold.
The Hawks have given up so many picks and prospects that it will be hard for them to keep contending.But of course so has Pittsburgh.
Scheifele is 5 years younger than Toews,he's bigger,he has shown he can out score him,and he make $4.3 million a year less.
So yeah,no thanks.
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Every bit as good huh? The only thing Scheifle has accomplished is having a similar stat line to Toews' worst season.
I'm sure this is the case with most rational fans, but I hope people realize how lucky the Jets would be to have Scheifle become even close to as successful as Toews
Smeagoal
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I'm only going to comment on this part.
I did watch the gold medal WC game you're referring to. I was paying a lot of attention to the Defence (Tanev/Rielly/Josi), and a few of the forwards caught my eye (Scheifele/Stone/Duchene). There's no doubt that below the circles this guy is dangerous and has a great shot, definitely can pick a corner with velocity. The team prevailed with a 2 - 0 win, and Talbot deserves quite a bit of credit.
However, my concern is when/if Scheifele goes up against a Doughty/Burns/Weber/Pietrangelo for a 7 - game grinder series. Toews has shown me that he can score and produce, and if he's not he's producing offence, he can at least be used to defensively shut down the other teams highest offensive unit.
I will say that Scheifele imo* will score more points (65 - 80 point C) in his career than Toews, but Toews imo* is the complete package (55 - 70 point shutdown C).
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I will say that Scheifele imo* will score more points (65 - 80 point C) in his career than Toews, but Toews imo* is the complete package (55 - 70 point shutdown C).
"Shutdown C" is a funny term to use when talking about Toews's advantages over Scheifele.
If I was making an all star type team, I'd pick Scheifele over Toews as my 4th line center every time.
KingPuckChoo
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Is this what people think of Toews now? I can understand the idea that Scheifele is pretty valuable now that he's locked in long term and Toews is approaching 10 years in the league with the highest cap hit in the league. But Toews is such a gamer. He's easily the better player now.
Ahh yes let me see did the toews line score like the last 12 points of that series? That cup final that is....Was that toews who setup pickles in game six to cut the heart out? I can't remember wasn't that the series right after chara was labeled one of the greatest of all time cause he shut Crosby down completely? My memory... Trying to think... Yea I think that's what happened though.. I recall right after that chara was old and useless wow how amazing two weeks can age a guy. That toews guy
Setup Kane to knock the Kings out of wcf
Setup pickles game six Boston clincher tying rip your heart out goal
Overwhelmed Getz and the ducks to win wcf in third cup. How many goals in that game seven?
Scored ot winner against the blues
Nuck fan how about his game tyer in game seven your cup run?
The back check against the bolts to prevent goal in cup finals one of most amazing effort plays I ever saw
This board hilarious.... Yea he sucks
JetsWillFly4Ever
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Toews is better player now.
Scheif will be likely just as good or better soon, makes way less money and is younger. There is no reason for the Jets to do this when we are not going to win right away. Is this really so hard to comprehend?
Scheif will be likely just as good or better soon, makes way less money and is younger. There is no reason for the Jets to do this when we are not going to win right away. Is this really so hard to comprehend?
CorgisPer60
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Because everyone here is saying Toews sucks. Do you guys even know how to read posts? Or do you just automatically go for the strawman offense?
61 points in 71 games averaging just over 18mins
58 points in 80 games averaging just over 19mins
Really wanna say Scheifele has "slim to no" chance to be better than Toews the next 5-7 seasons?
Halla
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fair to compare schiefeles best NHL to season to Toews worst?
Toews was coming off a 76 pt season at the same age and already had a cup ring and conne smythe trophy.
toews is more of a 65-75pt guy (.87ppg in both reg. season and playoffs). the 58 pt year was a down year by his standards even with the 2nd most votes for the selke.
CorgisPer60
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And we've already established that Toews was much better than Scheifele at the same age. We aren't talking about them being comparable at the same age. We never were. Toews has already hit the ceiling of what he can do; how long he can maintain that is anyone's guess. Meanwhile, Scheifele is going to get better than he is now. That's the point people are making in this thread that you guys seem to have such a problem with understanding.
