Sarnia Sting 2022 Off-season Thread

[dirty12]

honestly, if you are cutting a kid you took in the 2nd the year after you took him, that has to be looked at like a poor pick, no?

I read gone, not cut. It is very normal to move 2nd yr players picked 2nd & 3rd even 1st to re-tooling teams earlier in the season for picks to make later additions. I think Guelph moved four ‘01 born picked 1-3 the season they won the OHL title.

 

[OHL4Life]

I read gone, not cut. It is very normal to move 2nd yr players picked 2nd & 3rd even 1st to re-tooling teams earlier in the season for picks to make later additions. I think Guelph moved four ‘01 born picked 1-3 the season they won the OHL title.

there is a very big difference in trading players because that could play for you but are more valuable in a trade vs trading or cutting a player because he cant make your team. hes not talking about trading an alex phanrd, he said that the kid may not have a spot.

 

[dirty12]

Ok. I read gone, not cut. I figure there will be an unusual amount of 2nd, 3rd round picked players as extras among top 4-5 teams in each conference due to the lack of player movement during the league shutdown and double rookie cohort last season.

 

[OHL4Life]

Ok. I read gone, not cut. I figure there will be an unusual amount of 2nd, 3rd round picked players as extras among top 4-5 teams in each conference due to the lack of player movement during the league shutdown and double rookie cohort last season.

i just remember during my time with a team that if we had a draft there a second round pick was let go due to non performance, we all would have issues. thats a high pick to miss on.

 

[dirty12]

i just remember during my time with a team that if we had a draft there a second round pick was let go due to non performance, we all would have issues. thats a high pick to miss on.

Of course it’s hard to admit missing on a 2nd pick, that is why C.Peters, H.Holmes, …get rostered through age 19. At this time there may be so many players to roster that there may not be time for slow developing players; especially a team that trying to be near the top of the standings.

 

[StingUpdates]

honestly, if you are cutting a kid you took in the 2nd the year after you took him, that has to be looked at like a poor pick, no?

Oh sarnia is just superb at poor 2nd Round picks. It's staggering how bad they've been at them. Includes 4 separate GMs lol. Dreadful. I cut them slack cause it's the yr where nobody played so bit harder to evaluate but still disappointing if Lalkin is a nothing player.

 

[OHL4Life]

Oh sarnia is just superb at poor 2nd Round picks. It's staggering how bad they've been at them. Includes 4 separate GMs lol. Dreadful. I cut them slack cause it's the yr where nobody played so bit harder to evaluate but still disappointing if Lalkin is a nothing player.

and you think the third from the previous year (mcintyre) is cut as well?

 

[StingUpdates]

and you think the third from the previous year (mcintyre) is cut as well?

He's on the bubble. His size, physicality gives him an edge on others. He does have some good tools that if he takes that next step he could be a very solid player.

Struggled w/consistency, using his frame

 

[Dougie Daryl Clark]

He's on the bubble. His size, physicality gives him an edge on others. He does have some good tools that if he takes that next step he could be a very solid player.

Struggled w/consistency, using his frame

The real issue w McIntyre is his skating. He wants to be more physical but is often late on his hits because of lack of speed. What might keep him around is that he is a right shot winger. Not many of them around. Lalkin has skill but wasn't given much of a shot last year, them got hurt and was buried until playoffs. Needs a full year w opportunity.

 

[robp1219]

The real issue w McIntyre is his skating. He wants to be more physical but is often late on his hits because of lack of speed. What might keep him around is that he is a right shot winger. Not many of them around. Lalkin has skill but wasn't given much of a shot last year, them got hurt and was buried until playoffs. Needs a full year w opportunity.

Idk I didn’t see much skill from lalkin to be honest. He’s only 5’7 and his skating is average most guys that size should be good/fast skaters (Dann,Voit,namestnikov)
Also his stick handling was average, and he didn’t show much play making ability. I’d say the only thing he really had going for him is his shot and that wasn’t anything to really get excited about. If he’s going to show his skills it’s going to have to be on the fourth line, because he isn’t going to be on the top 3 lines too much depth. I’d personally rather get rid of him we have enough guys upfront under 5’10 and all of them have a lot more skill. Voit, Dann, max, angus. We will Probably have a smallervguy on every line that’s enough. Lol. I’d personally Trade him for a draft pick.

 

[JAMER]

Idk I didn’t see much skill from lalkin to be honest. He’s only 5’7 and his skating is average most guys that size should be good/fast skaters (Dann,Voit,namestnikov)
Also his stick handling was average, and he didn’t show much play making ability. I’d say the only thing he really had going for him is his shot and that wasn’t anything to really get excited about. If he’s going to show his skills it’s going to have to be on the fourth line, because he isn’t going to be on the top 3 lines too much depth. I’d personally rather get rid of him we have enough guys upfront under 5’10 and all of them have a lot more skill. Voit, Dann, max, angus. We will Probably have a smallervguy on every line that’s enough. Lol. I’d personally Trade him for a draft pick.

I'd keep Lalkin he's still only 17 he has grown he's 5'9 now plus he was playing on a pretty bad 4th line

 

[robp1219]

I'd keep Lalkin he's still only 17 he has grown he's 5'9 now plus he was playing on a pretty bad 4th line

Better step it up and out play abunch of guys to secure a spot on this years 4th line, after all he was part of that bad 4th line last year lol

 

[StingUpdates]

Owen Thomas commits to Providence. Few months ago this would've really hurt but after seeing him play at that tournament Cooksey played at 2 recently I'm not that mad.

He has to many holes to his game. Foot speed, defence, using his frame. Still would've been better he not just incase this season he takes a big step forward & taps into the potential but that's a complete unknown at this point.

On the NCAA front it is a bit disappointing it seems like we'll come away with nobody. We have 6 guys (Behrens, Casey, Morden, Brindley, Perreault, Moldenhauer) who'd all be immediate impact players on a team that wants to go on a run already.

But never know if a guy makes the jump mid season if their yr isn't going as planned like we saw with Mitch Eliot. Murphy signing came outta nowhere too.

 

[OHL4Life]

He's on the bubble. His size, physicality gives him an edge on others. He does have some good tools that if he takes that next step he could be a very solid player.

Struggled w/consistency, using his frame

thats not a great look for the scouting in sarnia then is it not?

 

[robp1219]

thats not a great look for the scouting in sarnia then is it not?

Yes and no, other guys they have drafted in later rounds have really came out of nowhere and are now challenging him and lalkin for their spots. A lot of good depth upfront is pushing guys out which is a good problem to have and that’s mostly because of the guys they drafted.

 

[StingUpdates]

thats not a great look for the scouting in sarnia then is it not?

No but they more than made up for it. Voit Round 5. Mast Round 9. Burke, Dann, Dillingham Round 4. Daviault Round 3. Filak Round 9. Wainwright Round 9. Thornton U18 Draft.

They've been one of the best teams at the U18 draft. Consistently have found players while teams have struggled just to find one or two.

Outside of Round 2 struggles & taking to many Americans going NCAA (was more of a Sinclair issue) they've been a solid drafting team.

 

[StingUpdates]

Uhhhhhhh...... Why???????????????

 

[OHL4Life]

Uhhhhhhh...... Why???????????????

are they selling? thats the first trade niagara has made that seems fair

 

[StingUpdates]

"This was a tough trade to make because Nolan is a great teammate. However, we have some other young talented forwards that are ready to breakout and this deal will provide us with some valuable assets that can be used to upgrade the team down the stretch. We wish Nolan all the best with Niagara.”


What..... the...... f***.....??????? He's 19??? He's gonna score 35+ Goals???? Ur trying to contend????

 

[Ferda11]

I'm at a loss for words. At this moment, this Dann trade makes absolutely no sense. Where else are we finding a guy that's almost automatic 30+ goals? Add in the potential for 40+ with Dann.

I don't like this at all, but I will give Seca the benefit of the doubt and wait to see where this goes. I wonder if Dann wanted out at all?

 

[Ferda11]

Another thought - I wonder if this is to open up a top 6 spot, that is potentially being promised to help convince a draft pick to sign?

 

[JAMER]

I'm at a loss for words. At this moment, this Dann trade makes absolutely no sense. Where else are we finding a guy that's almost automatic 30+ goals? Add in the potential for 40+ with Dann.

I don't like this at all, but I will give Seca the benefit of the doubt and wait to see where this goes. I wonder if Dann wanted out at all?

The only thing that makes sense to is that maybe moldenhauer is coming or they want to go get a really good player

 

[StingUpdates]

Im not sure I have ever been more confused by a Sting trade. Like I understand some young guys weren't gonna get great ice time (Wainwright, Martone) but Dann is your best goal scorer!!!! He was gonna score 35-40 goals & has great chemistry with Voit on line one.

Come the deadline when its time to add those young players will be demoted or even traded. The ONLY way this makes sense for me is if Moldenhauer is signing. you'd be losing all your picks & its another body in an already crowded T6. If he doesn't I just cant get on board with this move.

Hell you would've been better off trading Hill AND Burke to create an open spot over Dann who was gonna be back next year too. Wow.

 

[Generalsupdates]

The only thing that makes sense to is that maybe moldenhauer is coming or they want to go get a really good player

If you're going to be good this year, which I thought Sarnia was, why wouldn't you just want Moldenhauer to play with Dann..?

 

[StingUpdates]

Another thought - I wonder if this is to open up a top 6 spot, that is potentially being promised to help convince a draft pick to sign?

Thats my only hope with this. From the article it seems Dann was happy here. Hes been training with a large crop of the roster all summer, is playing top line, pp & on a hopeful contender. If its for a signee then it'll make sense but currently it makes none.

If you're going to be good this year, which I thought Sarnia was, why wouldn't you just want Moldenhauer to play with Dann..?

Voit, Dann, Moldenhaur, Burke, Namestnikov, Vilmanis, Lantz, Sikic all probably deserve top-6 minutes so it would make some sense one has to go. Moldenhaur would presumably play top line potentially taking Dann's spot.