Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)

[4thline]

I don't see the fit for Gustafsson with this team. I guess he's left side depth but he isn't ideal left side depth. I'm playing at least 4 LHD ahead of him

I agree, but injuries to two of those 4 without a LDH scratch leaves us with a pure RHD that's never played the Left drawing in.

Realistically, that same argument also applies to Sandin. So we traded our 5th left side D for a replacement, 600k cap space, and a 1st. With Sandin blocked out of the top 4 for the next 2 years I see why they did it.

I'm torn. Part of me would have preferred the pick- but then if the above situation were to happen (which isn't unthinkable on a deep run) you'd have massive regret.

 

[thusk]

Mirtle mentioned on his podcast that he was asking about Sandin’s value across the league prior to the trade and scouts/execs were saying he likely isn’t moved because he only holds the value of a 2nd or 3rd.

He also mentioned that Dubas had a choice, a (unspecified) pick or Gustafsson, Dubas chose Gustafsson as a Reilly replacement in case of injury.

Dubas already say it in press conference

2023 is anticipated to be a very strong draft year, you'd think HFBoards posters would be happy about that at least.

Also, since when is a playoff teams 7th defenseman worth a 1st? Leafs could easily have been locked out of getting any value for Sandin if they waited.

Exactly, after mccabe trade i said it i expected to see sandin being trade for a 1st and maybe more but during draft to keep depht in D... they traded him right now bring back depht for playoff too so i wqs not wrong.

Keeping sandin longer would make his value drop drastically, it was the right time to do it to maximize his value before losing it

 

[Mess]

You draft Sandin with a 1st round pick.

You invest & develop him for 4 years until now he is a successful NHLer playing regularly.

Then you trade Sandin for a late 1st round pick and start the process all over again.

Draft again and rinse and repeat, with no guarantee that player will be even equal to him as prospects are suspects.

PS. Giordano the player in front of him on the depth chart today will be turning 40, while Rasmus is 22.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You draft Sandin with a 1st round pick.
You develop him for 4 years until now he is a successful NHLer, and you're about ready to "play the kids"
Then you trade Sandin for a late 1st round pick with no guarantee and start the process all over again.

Or, put another way, you draft Sandin with a 1st round pick, extract the cheap years out of him, and then when he's unable to make the playoff roster, is blocked for multiple years, and is approaching a raise after tough negotiations previously, you trade him for a 1st round pick in a strong draft to move the timeline of that asset further forward when it's more needed, while picking up a better, cheaper player for the current playoff run.

PS. Giordano the player in front of him on the depth chart today will be turning 40, while Rasmus is 22.

PS. Rielly, McCabe, and Giordano are all above him on the left-side depth chart (not even counting left-handed Brodie), and Rielly and McCabe will be here multiple years after this one.

 

[Eye Test]

Surprisingly I don’t mind this move and Gus is better than I thought.

Sandin we are selling at the right point even though I would have preferred we traded him + for ekholm. If we weren’t going to play sandin after trading for Mccabe then yeah his value isn’t going up.

I wish the best for sandin.

 

[Its not your fault]

Lol you don't know me friend, but the last thing I'd be doing is switching f***ing board accounts on HF... If I wanted to troll I'd do it from this account as I have many times in the past.

As for Sandin, I've been here rooting for this team for 30 years and know what I'm looking at, lazy eye or not (offensive, asshole...) This trade was forced because we can't pay him what he's worth when his contract is up for renewal. That is a cap issue.

When his contract up for renewal?

Love how the roster is locked in untill then.

I don't know what you're saying about the lazy eye.? However he did say lazy lie.. so I am confused did you make it more offensive or did he miss word.

You draft Sandin with a 1st round pick.

You invest & develop him for 4 years until now he is a successful NHLer playing regularly.

Then you trade Sandin for a late 1st round pick and start the process all over again.

Draft again and rinse and repeat, with no guarantee that player will be even equal to him as prospects are suspects.

PS. Giordano the player in front of him on the depth chart today will be turning 40, while Rasmus is 22.

Every year people get older.. so can you win today with either of them probably not.

 

[Judas Tavares]

A lot of things I find interesting about this deal. The Nils Lundqvist deal to Dallas (for a 2023 1st and a 2025 4th). was made on September 19, 2022. At that point, Sandin had yet to sign a deal. I was wondering if they would ever consider something similar for him if they couldn't come to terms. 10 days later he signed the deal.

I find the similarities fascinating. The main difference was Lundqvist was going into year 2 of 3 of his ELC while Sandin is in year one of his first RFA extension. So Sandin was closer to needing to sign his next deal at the time of the trade.

Not sure what pick the Leafs could have received instead of Gus, but assume it was a 4th, then essentially it would have been the same trade. Lindqvist was taken 28th overall in 2018. Sandin was taken 29th overall in 2018. At the moment, Lundqvist has been traded for 27th overall in 2023. Sandin has been traded for 32nd overall in 2023.

I truly did not think Sandin would return the value of a 1st at this point. And a pick that had been freshly received by Washington. Which is also interesting as the Canucks sent a freshly received pick for Hronek.

Dubas did well for a player who was blocked and was only going to lose value. You do this in June, he does not fetch as good of a return (unless there had been major injuries and Sandin had stepped up big time and had major playoff success).

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Will anybody's perspective change if we use the Boston pick and end up drafting Sandin Pellikka?

 

[Smif]

You draft Sandin with a 1st round pick.

You invest & develop him for 4 years until now he is a successful NHLer playing regularly.

Then you trade Sandin for a late 1st round pick and start the process all over again.

Draft again and rinse and repeat, with no guarantee that player will be even equal to him as prospects are suspects.

PS. Giordano the player in front of him on the depth chart today will be turning 40, while Rasmus is 22.

Sandin is easily replaceable though. He didn't move the needle enough for us. With 1st Rd picks you want homeruns, not easily replaceable players.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

3 point debut for Sandin so far

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Sandin 3 assists lead the team in PP time and looks like a smooth skater, Where did all this slow foot speed talk come from?

I know we watch Backstrom and you watch Mathews but Sandin def has some wheels on our old ass team

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Sandin 3 assists lead the team in PP time and looks like a smooth skater, Where did all this slow foot speed talk come from?

I know we watch Backstrom and you watch Mathews but Sandin def has some wheels on our old ass team

Some fans turned on Sandin because he had the nerve to want a fair contract. He's not the best skater for his size, but more than good enough and is great at reading the play

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Some fans turned on Sandin because he had the nerve to want a fair contract. He's not the best skater for his size, but more than good enough and is great at reading the play

I loved he made Ovie leave the office on PP and trade spots with him. About damn time someone did that. He had great footwork doing that.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Sandin 3 assists lead the team in PP time and looks like a smooth skater, Where did all this slow foot speed talk come from?

I know we watch Backstrom and you watch Mathews but Sandin def has some wheels on our old ass team

He is great in the offensive zone. Never really got the chance to show it here for an extended period of time. He does lack foot speed and the ability to avoid a forecheck in the defensive zone. It is from watching him play.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

He is great in the offensive zone. Never really got the chance to show it here for an extended period of time. He does lack foot speed and the ability to avoid a forecheck in the defensive zone. It is from watching him play.

With our injuries he will def get a chance to learn PP with some all pros

I didnt see the D breakdowns yet but this is game 1

 

[TheShape]

I always thought Sandin was better than Rielly at quarterbacking the PP. Quicker decision making and a heavier shot, but he was never going to run the 1st PP given Rielly's contract and status unfortunately.

 

[Skullz]

Liked the trade thinking that we would be flipping Gus for picks, and using the Boston 1st to acquire a top 6 forward. Now that this hasn't happened I'm more uneasy about it. TBF we should have moved out Reilly for picks instead of extending him, and then Sandin could be PP1 and second pair.

But it is what it is.

 

[BertCorbeau]

With our injuries he will def get a chance to learn PP with some all pros

I didnt see the D breakdowns yet but this is game 1

He's a smart player so it's able to read the play and compensate for his speed issues .. but he's also got a good stick to boot.

You'll see it more in foot races than anything but I wasn't overly worried about it at this point. It's only of those things that when he's older it might be an issue.

Obviously the bigger concern is how he struggled against heavy forecheck. Something that should improve over time.

He's a nice add for you guys.

 

[Stephen]

Sandin 3 assists lead the team in PP time and looks like a smooth skater, Where did all this slow foot speed talk come from?

I know we watch Backstrom and you watch Mathews but Sandin def has some wheels on our old ass team

Oh stay tuned, you'll find out. He's going to get rushed at the blueline and destroyed from the hash marks down in your own end when things go wrong.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Oh stay tuned, you'll find out. He's going to get rushed at the blueline and destroyed from the hash marks down in your own end when things go wrong.

I say the same thing with Sammy playing goalie in the playoffs

i didnt see you edited some of his plays. Hopefully we can pair him with some on strong to help that. But i think we traded that in Orlov

 

[Stephen]

I say the same thing with Sammy playing goalie in the playoffs

Well, looks like Washington solved both problems.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Well, looks like Washington solved both problems.

I think we are run by a owner who only cares about Ovie 895. We will prolly be stuck in a middle for awhile.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

How did Gus look in his 14 min?

 

[Twowingcantfly]

Good move. A first rounder for a slow footed defender and a proven commodity. I'll take that trade any day.

 

[Twowingcantfly]

How did Gus look in his 14 min?

He played a decent game. Moved the puck with confidence, never panic mode all night long is what this team needs. G L with Sandin. Good confident skater, but a bit slow footed.